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Ferrari's Revitalised?
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09-05-2009 11:20am#1
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That team of incompetents has the highest placed kers car on the grid for tomorrow.Slutmonkey57b wrote: »How quickly people forget that before Todt/Brawn/Schumacher, Ferrari were always this incompetant. They were legendary for it. You can expect this sort of thing to only get worse, I can assure you. If the tifosi had any sense (and they don't, otherwise they wouldn't buy so much tacky ferrari-branded tat), they're realise that the "team" they were following all those years was Ross Brawn.
On behalf of everyone who snoozed through the Schumacher years, I can only say:
Ha Ha.
and bring on the budget cap. Forcing the Italians to work under cost pressure and be innovative and reliable will show who the real greats are in F1. (spoiler: Newey and Brawn)
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Slutmonkey57b wrote: »How quickly people forget that before Todt/Brawn/Schumacher, Ferrari were always this incompetant.
Lets re-phrase that for you.
How quickly people forget that before Todt/Brawn/Schumacher, Ferrari were always this incompetant.
Today it was out of Kimis hands.
His team admitted that they messed up.
Kimi was a Hostage in his car.
BUT
as mentioned above.
Kers could come into play for Kimi on the runup to the first corner and hope he stays out of any trouble,
Could make a few places.
Oh yeah
And while you are talking about Ferari being totally Incompetant.
I agree with you.
Being imcompetant is exactly what brings the knowledge and technology to this outfit to help them produce some of the best road cars in the world.
Correct me if I am wrong. but
are they a different company?0 -
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. And all it takes is a safety car at the right time and Raikkonen will be right up there too.
That and the fact that he is fuelled to almost half distance.. Plus.. Kers off the line.
He did say though that he was to blame as he did not do such a good lap on Q1 and "didnt feel like going out again"
Still
I have ful faith in him to grab some points tomorow.
GO KIMI GO...!!!
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Well how much should one question the team? Should they override the team telling them they'll be out of fuel on the next lap? :P
Hey.
Have you got psychic powers or something or is it a case of "The Commentators curse"
Massa running out of fuel...!!!!
Question on that issue actually.
Will Massa'a points stand from today?
I thought the car had to be over a certain weight at the end of the race which Massa'a could possibly be under that weight after running out of fuel.?
Any idea?Yeah but he still has to trust the team, don't get me wrong, he's not completely free of blame, but it was 95% the team's fault.
Heh, I know it's very frustrating, but I can genuinely see Massa challenging for the win tomorrow. And all it takes is a safety car at the right time and Raikkonen will be right up there too.
As above.
Kimi jumping up several places on the 2nd corner iuncident and a safety car
Pity about his hydrolic breakdown
Although I must admit I was surprised at Kimi's lack of pace trying to pass Nick Heidfeld
Kers and a diffuser on Kimi's car and he almost topping the time sheets all weekend..!!
I would have thought he could breeze past him.
On the other hand. Did anyone catch what Kimi said on the installation lap about his Kers?
He said afterwars that it worked fine but I failed to see him use it once.0 -
The cars are meant to be above the regulation weight when dry of fuel. Remember BAR/Honda a few years back tried to be smart and built the car underweight so that for stints of the race they were running under the minimum allowed weight?Hey.
Have you got psychic powers or something or is it a case of "The Commentators curse"
Massa running out of fuel...!!!!
Question on that issue actually.
Will Massa'a points stand from today?
I thought the car had to be over a certain weight at the end of the race which Massa'a could possibly be under that weight after running out of fuel.?
Any idea?
It's funny how IndyCar drivers seem to be able to save fuel so much better than F1 drivers. The team should've told Massa earlier to let Vettel passed, he may have been able to stay ahead of Alonso that way.As above.
Kimi jumping up several places on the 2nd corner iuncident and a safety car
Pity about his hydrolic breakdown
Although I must admit I was surprised at Kimi's lack of pace trying to pass Nick Heidfeld
Kers and a diffuser on Kimi's car and he almost topping the time sheets all weekend..!!
I would have thought he could breeze past him.
On the other hand. Did anyone catch what Kimi said on the installation lap about his Kers?
He said afterwars that it worked fine but I failed to see him use it once.
He just can't seem to catch a break this season.0 -
Lets re-phrase that for you.
How quickly people forget that before Todt/Brawn/Schumacher, Ferrari were always this incompetant.
Today it was out of Kimis hands.
His team admitted that they messed up.
Kimi was a Hostage in his car.
BUT
as mentioned above.
Kers could come into play for Kimi on the runup to the first corner and hope he stays out of any trouble,
Could make a few places.
Oh yeah
And while you are talking about Ferari being totally Incompetant.
I agree with you.
Being imcompetant is exactly what brings the knowledge and technology to this outfit to help them produce some of the best road cars in the world.
Correct me if I am wrong. but
are they a different company?
Well, there's 2 simple answers to that, and Eddie Jordan said it better than anyone: "This is schoolboy stuff and this is where a guy on the money he's reputedly on is supposed to pick the team up on his back and drag them over the line with him." Jordan was clearly incensed at Kimi's attitude, and rightly so. Lazy, incompetent, and arrogant from Ferrari and Kimi. He rightly didn't blame the team, unlike the slimy Hamilton, but the guy clearly doesn't want it and doesn't care. And the team boss should have said "get the **** out there and make sure you qualify". On the one hand, he complained his Kers wasn't working, then said it was. But he didn't use it to make up places while the car was running. You wouldn't find Alonso being that unsure about something so basic.
Answer 2:
Yes.
Yes they are two seperate companies.
If you think they guy in the ferrari showroom or on the factory floor has anything to do with the F1 team, you're a fully paid up member of the delusional tifosi, all right.0 -
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Slutmonkey57b wrote: »Well, there's 2 simple answers to that, and Eddie Jordan said it better than anyone: "This is schoolboy stuff and this is where a guy on the money he's reputedly on is supposed to pick the team up on his back and drag them over the line with him."
Are we talking about the same knobber Jordan that immediatly sacked his Top driver in Germany (2000 ?)
Yes,
Heinz Harald Frentzen,,
Yes
The same driver that took Team JORDAN by the scruff of the kneck and almost brought them their only hope of a world title in 1999.
Enough said about "Eddie that only goes along with the Money" :rolleyes:Slutmonkey57b wrote: »On the one hand, he complained his Kers wasn't working, then said it was. But he didn't use it to make up places while the car was running. You wouldn't find Alonso being that unsure about something so basic.
What makes you think he didnt use it?
He did say it worked fine after the race..
Did he not?
As for Alonso.
Unsure about what?
a Light not working properly??Slutmonkey57b wrote: »Yes.
Yes they are two seperate companies.
If you think they guy in the ferrari showroom or on the factory floor has anything to do with the F1 team, you're a fully paid up member of the delusional tifosi, all right.
Where did I mention Showroom??
I am talking Ferrari Factory bud.
The same Factory that has a gentleman named.
Luca di Montezemolo is Presidant of
Now
On the other hand
Maybe you were referring to
Scuderia Ferrari ?
In case you dont understand then here is a brief description for you.Scuderia Ferrari is the name for the Gestione Sportiva, the division of the Ferrari automobile company concerned with racing.
Note the word in bold ( Division)
NOT seperate company.;)0 -
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ya "almost" not quite good enough doe but aleast he tried, in 2000 he was pretty rubbish. eddie had the guts to do somthing about it ,its a pitty there wasnt someone at ferrari who would do the same. no one disputes kimi is a fast driver but for the money his on he could aleast pretend he want to be there. where is the kimi of 2yrs ago???? ,
No,
you are quite wrong there
Eddie got a kick in the Ar$e from Honda who were his engine suppliers at the time. They wanted Frentzen out.
Eddie bowed down and kissed their Ar$e$ like a puppet on a string.
And we all know how $hite Honda were, Even a privateer is doing better than them once they removed the Hondas Lump of Metal.
That was the reason they were going bad that year.
in 99 they ran the Mugen engine.
As for Kimi
Dont knock him
He is still the guy of 2 years ago.
In fact
He is more fired up about this season than Massa is.
How come everyone is still pointing the finger at Kimi when it is Massa that has already given up the ghost.
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No,
you are quite wrong there
Eddie got a kick in the Ar$e from Honda who were his engine suppliers at the time. They wanted Frentzen out.
Eddie bowed down and kissed their Ar$e$ like a puppet on a string.
And we all know how $hite Honda were, Even a privateer is doing better than them once they removed the Hondas Lump of Metal.
That was the reason they were going bad that year.
in 99 they ran the Mugen engine.
As for Kimi
Dont knock him
He is still the guy of 2 years ago.
In fact
He is more fired up about this season than Massa is.
How come everyone is still pointing the finger at Kimi when it is Massa that has already given up the ghost.
why didnt honda want him???? because he was a 2nd rate driver!! if he was any good they would hav wanted him. the 99 jordan was a very good car.
kimi is no where near where he was 2 years ago, every one can hav a bad start to a season but this is kimi 2nd bad yr and when i guy is on his kinda money you expect alot more!! i know the car is crap this yr but all anyone is asking for is for him 2 do his best.
and if this is kimi fired up then ferrari are screwed!!0 -
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Cookie_Monster wrote: »Anyone know if Ferrari will be punished in any way for Massa's car not making back to Parc-fermee? I thought there was a rule stating that all cars had to be able to get back
I already asked that same question.
Here is the answer i got.;)The cars are meant to be above the regulation weight when dry of fuel.0 -
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Cookie_Monster wrote: »What has that answer got to do with the question
:rolleyes::D
Hello
Knock Knock
anyone at home??
I reposted the answer I got.0 -
noCookie_Monster wrote: »What has that answer got to do with the question
:rolleyes::D
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Cookie_Monster wrote: »Anyone know if Ferrari will be punished in any way for Massa's car not making back to Parc-fermee? I thought there was a rule stating that all cars had to be able to get back
no dont think so, there was a rule a good few yrs back that you had to hav certain level of fuel in the tank coz it needed to be tested after the race. maybe thats what ur thinking off.0 -
If you have to please your engine supplier or your driver, who do you please? Given that Jordan was one of the teams in F1 that had to live hand to mouth, race to race practically.Are we talking about the same knobber Jordan that immediatly sacked his Top driver in Germany (2000 ?)
Yes,
Heinz Harald Frentzen,,
Yes
The same driver that took Team JORDAN by the scruff of the kneck and almost brought them their only hope of a world title in 1999.
Enough said about "Eddie that only goes along with the Money" :rolleyes:
Assuming that your information is in any way accurate, of course, which frankly I don't have a lot of confidence in.What makes you think he didnt use it?
He did say it worked fine after the race..
Did he not?
I don't know - the large sections of camera time devoted to him where he never used the Kers button to catch up to the guy in front along the very long straight with the only passing corner on the track at the end of it, where he would have got maximum benefit? That, maybe?As for Alonso.
Unsure about what?
a Light not working properly??
Alonso wouldn't have reported at one point
"Part X is broken on the car"
and then
"Part X was fine right from the start"
after he got out of the car.Where did I mention Showroom??
I am talking Ferrari Factory bud.
The same Factory that has a gentleman named.
Luca di Montezemolo is Presidant of
Now
On the other hand
Maybe you were referring to
Scuderia Ferrari ?
In case you dont understand then here is a brief description for you.
Note the word in bold ( Division)
NOT seperate company.;)
Jesus you're delusional.
Toyota F1 is a division of Toyota.
BMW F1 is a division of BMW.
Renault F1 is a division of Renault.
Seeing a pattern yet?
What a car company's F1 team does has nothing whatsoever to do with what their road car company does. The people running the factory that produces F430's do not have access to the F1 team's designs. The F1 engineers don't bolt together steering racks or do services in your local ferrari garage in the off season. An F1 team might pass on some tech they came up with 100 years ago (relatively) but they certainly don't do it directly. The rest of the company knows what the general public knows about F1 cars and nothing more.Frentzen a 2nd rate driver..!!
After a statement like that I dont know why I am even bothering to reply to you.:rolleyes:
As for Kimi
Read the following statements from Massa and Kimi.
<blah>
Which of those two sound like they are ready to fight on??
Newsflash: A couple of weeks ago, those statements were *exactly* reversed - Kimi wrote off the season, and Massa was fighting on. What changed in the interim? Kimi got a huge amount of flack for being a lazy unconcerned piece of expensive red-clad baggage. Massa know he's got nothing to prove in terms of dedication to the team, and he also knows that Ferrari are so deep in the **** they'll never challenge for the title now.0 -
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