Culchies? Dubs? and worst of all D4's?

The j-dwag!!!!!

Right, i'm from Roscommon and have lived up here in dublin for the last 5 years, and have a yet failed to understand what makes D4's and any other Dub, (scumbag or otherwise) think they are for one second allowed to look down their noses at people from the country and dare to call them boggers or culchies????.

After all, aren't they the minority?....... approx 4 million people living in this country, of which 1 million live in Dublin, and most of them are country people working up here, or students attending college, not to mention the foreign nationals.

I've recently read a thread that was in relation to copper face jacks, and one such individual had the nerve to comment that he would not go there as it was full of "culchies". Well buddy heres a little update for you, We dont want you there!!!!

ntlbell

prob the same "rights" culchies think they have when a dub walks into a bogger bar

"f*cking dubs*

:rolleyes:

Mikeyt086

Erm, for someone who is complaining about discrimination, thats some serious generalisation.

You read 1 person's snobby comment. And now you are having a go at Dublin... See the irony?

I am born and raised in Dublin, i dont look down on people. What would you call me?

civildefence

Right, i'm from Roscommon and have lived up here in dublin for the last 5 years, and have a yet failed to understand what makes D4's and any other Dub, (scumbag or otherwise) think they are for one second allowed to look down their noses at people from the country and dare to call them boggers or culchies????.

After all, aren't they the minority?....... approx 4 million people living in this country, of which 1 million live in Dublin, and most of them are country people working up here, or students attending college, not to mention the foreign nationals.

I've recently read a thread that was in relation to copper face jacks, and one such individual had the nerve to comment that he would not go there as it was full of "culchies". Well buddy heres a little update for you, We dont want you there!!!!

Tool

rainbow kirby

The j-dwag!!!!! wrote: »

Right, i'm from Roscommon and have lived up here in dublin for the last 5 years, and have a yet failed to understand what makes D4's and any other Dub, (scumbag or otherwise) think they are for one second allowed to look down their noses at people from the country and dare to call them boggers or culchies????.

After all, aren't they the minority?....... approx 4 million people living in this country, of which 1 million live in Dublin, and most of them are country people working up here, or students attending college, not to mention the foreign nationals.

I've recently read a thread that was in relation to copper face jacks, and one such individual had the nerve to comment that he would not go there as it was full of "culchies". Well buddy heres a little update for you, We dont want you there!!!!

Removing the chip from your shoulder might be a good idea.

remus808

The j-dwag!!!!! wrote: »

Right, i'm from Roscommon and have lived up here in dublin for the last 5 years, and have a yet failed to understand what makes D4's and any other Dub, (scumbag or otherwise) think they are for one second allowed to look down their noses at people from the country and dare to call them boggers or culchies????.

After all, aren't they the minority?....... approx 4 million people living in this country, of which 1 million live in Dublin, and most of them are country people working up here, or students attending college, not to mention the foreign nationals.

I've recently read a thread that was in relation to copper face jacks, and one such individual had the nerve to comment that he would not go there as it was full of "culchies". Well buddy heres a little update for you, We dont want you there!!!!

redarmy

The j-dwag!!!!! wrote: »

Right, i'm from Roscommon and have lived up here in dublin for the last 5 years, and have a yet failed to understand what makes D4's and any other Dub, (scumbag or otherwise) think they are for one second allowed to look down their noses at people from the country and dare to call them boggers or culchies????.

After all, aren't they the minority?....... approx 4 million people living in this country, of which 1 million live in Dublin, and most of them are country people working up here, or students attending college, not to mention the foreign nationals.

I've recently read a thread that was in relation to copper face jacks, and one such individual had the nerve to comment that he would not go there as it was full of "culchies". Well buddy heres a little update for you, We dont want you there!!!!

spot on

The j-dwag!!!!!

I havn't generalised all dubs, just the ones that call country people culchies or boggers and any snobbery that goes with it.

Dont get me wrong i dont have this argument with all dubs, just the ones that fall into this category.

Buddy a pub on the periphery of dublin county is not a country pub. not for a second do i believe country people resent to see dubs in their pub.

The j-dwag!!!!!

rainbow kirby wrote: »

Removing the chip from your shoulder might be a good idea.

Honestly the argument was ment in good faith. While i realise it comes across a bit heavy, i don't have any such chip on my shoulder and my argument still stands, why is it that that some dubs treat the "country" as indeed that, another country. What is it that they find so intolerable about "chulchies"

mikemac

The j-dwag!!!!! wrote: »

I havn't generalised all dubs, just the ones that call country people culchies or boggers and any snobbery that goes with it.

And yet you use the term D4 in your title?
It is a generalization, you combine areas such as Ringsend and Irishtown and Donnybrook as if they are all the same.
Dublin 4 is a bigger area then you think

The j-dwag!!!!! wrote: »

Buddy a pub on the periphery of dublin county is not a country pub.

I don't know Co. Dublin well but many areas in the north are very rural. I'd call them country pubs. That's a good thing

ardmacha

approx 4 million people living in this country,

There are approximately 6 million people in this country, what entitles you to declare 2 million of them non existent?

The j-dwag!!!!!

ardmacha wrote: »

There are approximately 6 million people in this country, what entitles you to declare 2 million of them non existent?

4,239,848 in the 2006 census

civildefence

The j-dwag!!!!! wrote: »

4,239,848 in the 2006 census

The man's clearly referring to the north of Ireland

ardmacha

Indeed, if the OP had meant the State rather than the country then presumably he would have said so, since he seems very interested in definitions.

El Siglo

I'm from the countryside, albeit the worst part (the middle) and here's my two cents:
Not all people from Dublin are stuck up and in fact some of my friends are what you might ascribe as 'D4s' i.e. they love Leinster, they sail, went to a private school etc... In the same respect some of my Dublin peers whom are from 'the other side of the tracks', love the eircom league, went to some of the worst schools in the country, etc... are as nice, no problems etc...
Now of course there are rules to this, there are total bell-ends on both sides, i.e. there are stuck up, ignorant D4s, there are ignorant, annoying country people etc... but all-in-all, most people are sound regardless of which side of the pale they're from.
The worst problem with Dublin is not Dublin people, nor is it Country people per se. The problem lies with, country people who come to Dublin, lose their 'provincialism' (i.e. accent, mannerisms etc...) and assimilate themselves with their perception of the 'D4' and what this entails. Country D4s are the worst 'law abiding' people in Dublin, they are the ones who will totally ignore their country roots when it suits them, mostly nine months out of every year, which is then interspersed with a summer in America, which totally 'corrupts' any chance of return to their 'roots'. Country people acting like D4s are the problem. The worst offenders of this are country women, I don't want to sound sexist, but the amount of women I've encountered whom have abandoned their country 'charms' in favour of uggs, orange tans, abercrombie, leggings, bad hair dos, terrible accent, etc... is staggering.

All in all;
Dublin people are okay,
Country people are okay,
Country people becoming D4s is a problem,
Women from the country becoming D4s constitute a majority of this.

And that's my two cents!:D

Fad

If you have a problem with "D4s", why did you choose a college in Dublin 4?

Thomas_S_Hunterson

Still bitter about the epic Leinster victory OP?

El Siglo

Fad wrote: »

If you have a problem with "D4s", why did you choose a college in Dublin 4?

Free rent, friends, lack of adventure spirit etc... any number of reasons really, similar to those of why a person from Celbridge or Leixlip might choose to go to college in NUI Maynooth.

Theresalwaysone

I think its unreasonable to assume people won't assimilate all the things that the majority of people surrounding them do, be it dress sense, mannerisms, accent etc.

If a person from Dublin moves to Cork for college for 3/4 years you can bet they will come back with a cork accent. There is nothing wrong with that. Similarly, if a person from galway moves to UCD then you can expect the accent change if they are surrounded by people with that accent. Which is ok too and not only is it ok, it should be expected, its human nature. This applies to all the things that make up the culture of "D4's". People who move to live in UCD will invariably pick up some of the culture.

Anyone Ive talked to ever has been sound no matter where they hail from.


Also, isnt Coppers now a club hailed by a lot of th D4's? Where is mightent have been 2 or 3 years ago.

Brimmy

The j-dwag!!!!! wrote: »

Buddy a pub on the periphery of dublin county is not a country pub. not for a second do i believe country people resent to see dubs in their pub.

Technically it is. County Dublin = the country part of Dublin. I'm from Swords which while industrailized is in County Dublin... but when you look at pubs in the likes of Rush/Lusk/Balbriggan that's where it comes from. A "country pub" can be any pub that's tiny though, filled with old men and extremly old fashioned. It's just a label.

Lighten up. If you don't like Dublin don't live here. You give out about Dubs labelling people from the country as boggers yet you just labelled them as D4s. Stop being hypocritical..

El Siglo

Theresalwaysone wrote: »

I think its unreasonable to assume people won't assimilate all the things that the majority of people surrounding them do, be it dress sense, mannerisms, accent etc.

If a person from Dublin moves to Cork for college for 3/4 years you can bet they will come back with a cork accent. There is nothing wrong with that. Similarly, if a person from galway moves to UCD then you can expect the accent change if they are surrounded by people with that accent. Which is ok too and not only is it ok, it should be expected, its human nature. This applies to all the things that make up the culture of "D4's". People who move to live in UCD will invariably pick up some of the culture.

Anyone Ive talked to ever has been sound no matter where they hail from.

I agree with you there, that no matter where people go, they will always assimilate in some regard to their environment, I cite the Irish people who live in America or England for such a period of time that they develop particular mannerisms etc... And I do agree with you, that people if they're sound it doesn't matter where they're from, I make a point of this in my first post on this topic.
However I contention is that, when country people live in Dublin, some of these country people will abandon their particular accents, mannerisms etc... entirely, in not only assimilation but sheer transformation into another group. I'm alluding to the situations, all too common, of country women in particular, who find it more appropriate to completely transform themselves into D4s and then ignore and portray a condescending attitude to fellow country people. If you've ever been inside the arts block for any extended period of time, then you'll know what I'm talking about. There's nothing wrong with a country person developing a Dublin 'twang' or wearing a Leinster jersey etc... it's only when they develop a superiority complex about aforementioned social group that problems can arise. I myself, have almost lost my midlands accent, but it doesn't mean that I see myself as any better or any worse than any other country person or Dublin person. When people attach values of some sort to certain things such as clothing, accents etc... that is the problem, this is where conflict emerges.

Also, isnt Coppers now a club hailed by a lot of th D4's? Where is mightent have been 2 or 3 years ago.

I'll give give you that one, Coppers has indeed transformed from the country garda-nurse stronghold to a popular, heterogeneous night club. However this is not uncommon as in many cities, building functions change, so to will users, and merely in this case, there has been a shift in users (i.e. increased numbers of 'D4s'). That is not to say that there is a 'new' stronghold not developing somewhere else, I think a certain venue near Coppers which does not charge €5-€10 has grown in popularity with country people of late.

Arathorn

The worst is the country people who work in dublin and on Fridays when they come home go out to the pub or club in their office clothes to "show off" and act superior. They will just say they got off the bus and didnt have time to change, ah ok well you could at least take off your work tie when in the niteclub for feck sake who do they think they are impressing.

The j-dwag!!!!!

Fad wrote: »

If you have a problem with "D4s", why did you choose a college in Dublin 4?

weak argument.....i came up here as ucd was the only college that had the course i wanted. But even if it wasn't, surely in any college people should have a sufficient IQ that they do not make such a fuss regarding where one is from, and instead enjoy meeting individuals from all parts of the country, race, colour and everything that makes them different.

The problem with the dubs that i have mentioned is that they are so content with being dubs and being surrounded by dubs, that they fail to realise they are in fact still IRISH and should step back and open their eyes and see that without country folk this would be one boring city.

Swivel on that!!!

Brimmy

So Dublin people are boring and racist now?

Why hasn't this thread been locked already? It has no relevance to UCD..

The j-dwag!!!!!

Brimmy wrote: »

You give out about Dubs labelling people from the country as boggers yet you just labelled them as D4s. Stop being hypocritical..

by the way i have only labelled some Dubs, remember, the one who have the nerve to call us "chulchies". The ones that are so far up their own D4 arse that they have the cheak to say "i'd never go off with someone from the country". And it is not only the snobby D4's that come out with such statements. It also includes the scangers on the north side, BTW that have the worst acent in the world, that hold their noses at people from the country.
And still i do stress that there are many dublin people who are some of the nicest people you could meet, and i do mean to exclude these from my generalisations

The j-dwag!!!!!

Brimmy wrote: »

So Dublin people are boring and racist now?

Why hasn't this thread been locked already? It has no relevance to UCD..

never said that! only suggested that anyone attending a third level institution should be big enough to overlook such differences.......

and if you dont like the thread, Fc.uk off. Guess the truth hurts

Brimmy

The j-dwag!!!!! wrote: »

and if you dont like the thread, Fc.uk off. Guess the truth hurts

Very mature approach to your arguement there. Well done.

The j-dwag!!!!! wrote: »

weak argument.....i came up here as ucd was the only college that had the course i wanted. But even if it wasn't, surely in any college people should have a sufficient IQ that they do not make such a fuss regarding where one is from, and instead enjoy meeting individuals from all parts of the country, race, colour and everything that makes them different.

You implied that Dublin people make a fuss out of where people are from and then linked it in the same sentence to their colour and race...that seems like you're calling them racist. If you're not I apologize but that's what I got from reading it.

The j-dwag!!!!!

The j-dwag!!!!! wrote: »

surely in any college people should have a sufficient IQ that they do not make such a fuss...

Nowhere in this sentence did i say dublin people. It goes for every student attending college, but in this circumstance i am refering to the dubs that i have previously outlined

freshtodeath

The j-dwag!!!!! wrote: »

by the way i have only labelled some Dubs, remember, the one who have the nerve to call us "chulchies". The ones that are so far up their own D4 arse that they have the cheak to say "i'd never go off with someone from the country". And it is not only the snobby D4's that come out with such statements. It also includes the scangers on the north side, BTW that have the worst acent in the world, that hold their noses at people from the country.
And still i do stress that there are many dublin people who are some of the nicest people you could meet, and i do mean to exclude these from my generalisations

HA!! I love this. The ultimate in stereotyping. :rolleyes:

I would say that the vast majority of Dubliners have absolutely no problem with people from the country, with the exception being the likes of yourself who come up and live here and then just moan about it the whole time, about how "back home" is so much better etc. If that's the case, why are you in Dublin? You're free to go home if you want to...

Also if you've been living in Dublin for 5 years you should know what the story is at this stage. Your labelling of Dubliners as D4s or "scangers from the Northside" is as ignorant as the treatment you complain of.

That is my serious answer if you're not on a wind-up, which I think you are.

Don't lock the thread though, I love this kinda stuff!

Jev/N

Wow, I'm from Roscommon also and certainly don't have the same view you do!

You are a walking contradiction as you have a problem with people from the country being labeled "culchies", yet you are labeling people "d4's". It seems you just need to chill the fcuk out!

I've been up here for more than 4 years and don't hold the same views you do? What experiences have you had that developed these views - I would imagine that it's a prejudice that existed before you came to Dublin or someone else instilled in you?

Oh and in relation to Coppers: it's an embarrassment of a club in fairness! Funnily enough, I've heard recently that there's plenty of "d4's" in there??

Brimmy

The j-dwag!!!!! wrote: »

Nowhere in this sentence did i say dublin people. It goes for every student attending college, but in this circumstance i am refering to the dubs that i have previously outlined

Yes in the context you were refering to Dublin people. The whole thread is attacking Dublin people.

Really how you can be so narrowminded and vindictive is beyond me. I think you need to lighten up. Would you like a hug?