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[build] A PC primarily for 3D design,rendering
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10-05-2009 3:39am#1
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2020 likes keeping its software requirements classified information :mad: If someone here doesn't know what Fusion likes the your friend may have to get in contact with 2020 and see what they have to say about his current version's requirements.
Off the top of my head an i7 build is merry overkill but certain GPUs might help - depends on how PlanIt or its CAD engine are covered by enterprise (ie. FireGL/Quadro) drivers. That would give the biggest bump in render speeds (although he may need to modernise much of the rest of the system if its dated) I doubt the program is intensive enough to bebefit from a render farm approach - we're not quite talking Indusrial Light & Magic here
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2020 likes keeping its software requirements classified information :mad: If someone here doesn't know what Fusion likes the your friend may have to get in contact with 2020 and see what they have to say about his current version's requirements.
Off the top of my head an i7 build is merry overkill but certain GPUs might help - depends on how PlanIt or its CAD engine are covered by enterprise (ie. FireGL/Quadro) drivers. That would give the biggest bump in render speeds (although he may need to modernise much of the rest of the system if its dated) I doubt the program is intensive enough to bebefit from a render farm approach - we're not quite talking Indusrial Light & Magic here
Great to hear that somebody has knowledge about 2020, I couldn't find anything and was beginning to get a bit worried.
So, if im correct a GPU will do more than the CPU depending on the software. But for a fast GPU to be effective don't you need a fast CPU to compliment it along with some decent I/O speeds?
I must contact 2020 to find out the requirements. His current machine is a ru of the mill Dell Dimension/Inspiron desktop so I think he will need a new system. I think there will be around €1500-2000 for this build ex. monitors..0 -
€1500-2000 is a fairly massive budget, it all boils down to what 2020 says will help the rendering side of things best but if it even works on an old Dell I doubt you'll be needing a grand just for a top-of-the-range workstation GPU
Your mate better wring some info out of them before we proceed but I doubt we'll be needing anything like two grand for this even if he's going for near-realtime renders. Like I said, Fusion's pretty but it ain't ILM 
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€1500-2000 is a fairly massive budget, it all boils down to what 2020 says will help the rendering side of things best but if it even works on an old Dell I doubt you'll be needing a grand just for a top-of-the-range workstation GPU Your mate better wring some info out of them before we proceed but I doubt we'll be needing anything like two grand for this even if he's going for near-realtime renders. Like I said, Fusion's pretty but it ain't ILM
Thats great to hear it won't cost as much as I thought. The budget has not been set yet but I was just thinking thats what would be required to build a sufficient system.
He will be looking for near realtime renders as he likes to do quick mockups of kitchens in front of clients according to their requirements. ATM it is really slow.
Lets shelve the thread for now until I get some more detailed info.
Thanks for your help so far..0 -
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Great. Google thinks both these topics (here and HardOCP) are the only places where rendering PlanIt Fusion has ever been discussed :rolleyes:
If anything I'd like to see how fast a cheap Quadro (really a rebadged 8600GT with industrial drivers and software) can actually render in Fusion vs. a "conventional" card (e.g. 9800GT)... No info on what would be better, gaming card or weak workstation card...
If you could "borrow" a mate's gaming card then try to compare renders with and without it and see if a GeForce will give any render benefit against the i7 alone...
And +1 on the RAID5 but bear in mind that if used heavily those conventinal drives will go "pop" fairly often, so with a RAID adaptor added in it'd quickly approach the price of the Raptors
Do you know anywhere you could "borrow" a mid-range Quadro from? 0 -
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Do you know anywhere you could "borrow" a mid-range Quadro from?
the quadros are built from the same chip as the retail right? i know i've used low to mid end quadro's before and not seen much of a difference over a conventional graphics card, (that was for just general use though, nothing specific like CAD) and with the modern Nvidia's shippping out with all this GPGPU capability and unified shader, the only differences seem to be in drivers and increased memory.
I'd say take the memory as the lead personally for a limited budget, I'd imagine a 1GB 200 series would beat a FX with 512 for the large scenes....0 -
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If it's version 14, look at this: http://www.maximasoftware.co.za/support/?p=31
And have a gander at this: http://www.maximasoftware.co.za/support/
Thanks for that.. I really do wonder how you find these pages.. Obviously sombody is better at using google than me!!
Oh and yes he is currently using V14.
I called up tech support again today and this guy was really helpful..
He basically said that the GPU is used in realtime rendering during design mode. This is just so you get a rough idea of what you are designing.. He said a GeForce card should be adequate.. I'll aim for a 8800GTX Ultra if they are still available..since they can be modded in the future to a Quadro.
Then once you click "render" or whatever it is to render a high quality representation, Fusion only uses the CPU. So the GPU isn't being used here.
Also, Version 14 doesn't support multicore so atm my guy isn't even utilising his current rig fully.
So the Fusion guy basically said Core i7,GeForce card, Ample RAM and Version 15 will get you pretty good render times.
Version 16 will be coming out at the end of June and will fully utilise 64Bit memory addressing. I wonder will that add much more of a boost.
I'm going to contact somebody through the maximasoftware blog and look for some kind of bench test results/charts..0 -
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Look for a card that has a Quadro equivalent! You can go back and forth between both driver sets with sufficient RivaTuner abuse but you need a Quadro-compatible card first!
Off the top of my head I don't think you can hack a 8600GTS - its a heavily overclocked 8600GT but it uses GDDR3. Aside from clock discrepancies the G84 Quadros all use DDR2
And I'm not all that happy with using hacked drivers in business. Education and personal use is fine but this may upset people. Badly. Try using a cheap graphics card (preferably better than a manky old 8600GTS!) and compare the results for the same render operation to the old card. Does Fusion have any benching tools?0 -
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Great. Google thinks both these topics (here and HardOCP) are the only places where rendering PlanIt Fusion has ever been discussed :rolleyes:
If anything I'd like to see how fast a cheap Quadro (really a rebadged 8600GT with industrial drivers and software) can actually render in Fusion vs. a "conventional" card (e.g. 9800GT)... No info on what would be better, gaming card or weak workstation card... If you could "borrow" a mate's gaming card then try to compare renders with and without it and see if a GeForce will give any render benefit against the i7 alone...
Do you GPU's contribute to rendering speed these days? I'm not talking about real-time rendering for editing, I'm talking about raytracing for precise final images.0 -
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