Squats the story - the Off Topic Thread...

d'Oracle

I Hear David Carradine did all his exercise that way.

mloc

I guess it depends on what your goals are. Given that you have reduced blood flow to the area being excercised, I'd imagine you'll be left with some fairly wicked DOMS. Oxidative stress should be a lot higher as well.

The only worry I'd have is people occluding the vessels to an extreme degree, which is obviously very dangerous. If you stopped venous return in a large limb like a leg, combined with an inflammatory stimulus such as exercise, I'd imagine your chances of thrombosis would be a lot higher.

Vegeta

One of the comments in that link makes a valid point

How do you cut off circulation to your back??

rubadub

mloc wrote: »

Given that you have reduced blood flow to the area being excercised, I'd imagine you'll be left with some fairly wicked DOMS.

You are only using 50% RM weights though, it warns against going higher in the second link.

I would recommend that one not occlude a muscle for more than 30 minutes at a time
This is purely a safety concern. One must understand the difference between acute and chronic effects. Acute blood flow restriction is a definite positive, but chronically cutting off blood flow would likely result in actual tissue death.
• Never use occlusion with anything above 50% 1RM
As bodybuilders, we often fall into the trap of more is better. If a person would use occlusion with heavy lifting; 1) they are defeating the point of occlusion training; 2) it doesn’t appear to have a synergistic effect anyway (Laurentino, et al., 2008); and 3) I believe this could cause potential harm to the body.
• Wrap the knee wraps tight, but not crazy tight (We want moderate occlusion, not full occlusion)
This goes back to the phrase, moderate blood-flow restriction, NOT COMPLETE. We only need a moderate change to receive benefit.
• If you have any indications of impaired endothelial function (Diabetics included), DO NOT OCCLUDE
If a person already has an impaired vascular system, I would urge them not to try occlusion as it could be very dangerous to there well-being.

On another forum a guy is doing the extended ISOs and said while it is very stressful at the time the next day he is fine. On another site I read that totall occlusion is not as effective as partial, and they have fancy equipment for pressuring your arms which costs a fortune. I bet there is another way to create a band and calibrate it.

Vegeta wrote: »

How do you cut off circulation to your back??

There is research out of Fujita’s laboratory in Japan that suggests that one can hypertrophy the chest, by occluding the upper portion of the arm. The idea is that during the bench press, the triceps would fatigue fast, resulting in a higher recruitment of the chest to pick up the load. One would also suspect that the same could be done for the back, by occluding the arm in the same spot (very top of the arm). Theoretically, during a lat pull down, occluding the biceps would cause a higher recruitment of fibers from the back.

But the other way is to forget about it, just occlude the legs after the back workout and you still get the benefit of all the growth hormone being released.

squod

Pole push making an appearence on this years Irelands strongest man. Possibly my favourite event to watch and I'm gonna miss it. Damn.

2. Pole Push
A head to head event that involving a form of Celtic wrestling from the ages, a very apt event for a tough Celtic Clash to fight for the Finn McCool Trophy

http://www.irishstrongman.com/competitions/viewdetails.asp?ID=73

g'em

I've spent the morning in the company of Brian Cowen. He's so short. I also really wanted to send him a link to that Metcon thread...

g'em

Happy Birthday to the drifter

brianthebard

g'em wrote: »

I've spent the morning in the company of Brian Cowen. He's so short. I also really wanted to send him a link to that Metcon thread...

It would have been more productive to slap him upside the head with a 20kg plate...

the drifter

g'em wrote: »

I've spent the morning in the company of Brian Cowen. He's so short. I also really wanted to send him a link to that Metcon thread...

you keep that little fooker out of my thread!

rubadub

Has anybody any idea in effect how much weight you are lifting in a BW squat? e.g. I know a chinup is around 95%+ as you do not lift your forearms, of a pushup might be 70% or so.

So if I am 100kg and doing a pushup I am really experiencing 70kg, so if I want to up my resistance by 50% I should add about 35kg, rather than 50% of my BW.

So if you were 100kg and could squat 100kg then if you are lifting say 50% BW in a normal squat you are actually lifting the equivalent of 150kg. Therefore when using calculators or other estimates you could say your true 1RM is 150kg and so a regular BW squat is 33% of your 1RM.

This could be estimated using calculators, but most people could do far too many BW squats to input it.

http://www.naturalphysiques.com/tools.php?itemid=18

e.g. if a you click on that you see 10 reps at 200lb. So if a 200lb man can do 10BW squats the calculator estimates a 1RM of 266lb. So if the guy can manage a 1RM with 166lb you can estimate that the missing 100lb was the resistance of his own BW, in which case the squat would be 50% of his BW.

I want to this as I am doing that Kaatsu /occlusion training I wrote about before. The more I read about it the more amazed I am, and shocked I have not heard about it before. Seems it would ideal as a warmup for people too, even just walk 20min to the gym and arrive flooded with growth hormone.

Loads of studies here http://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=0&q=kaatsu&hl=en&as_sdt=2000

how to restrict the chest was asked before, I found this.

It is known that low-intensity resistance exercise
with restricted venous blood flow (KAATSU)
(Takarada et al., 2000; 2002) or occluded blood flow
(Moritani et al., 1992) has been shown to result in an
increase in the integrated EMG of the active limb
muscle. However, it is unknown whether the
increase in EMG activity during multi-joint exercise
with KAATSU or blood flow occlusion could be
achieved, not only in the limb muscle, but also in
trunk muscles. Our findings demonstrated that
increases in iEMG activity was observed in both limb
(triceps brachii) and trunk (pectoralis major) muscles
during low-intensity KAATSU bench press exercise.
The results of this study support our hypothesis that
EMG activity is increased by the synergistic action of
blood flow restriction in both limb muscles and nonrestricted
trunk muscles in the shoulder joint.
KAATSU exercise-induced increases in EMG activity
in the trunk muscle may be one of the important
factors for the muscle hypertrophy seen in the trunk
muscle following low-intensity KAATSU resistance
training in a previous study (Abe et al. 2005)

Could be good for fat loss too.

In addition,
KAATSU training increases the amount of circulating
growth hormone (GH) (Takarada et al., 2000a;
Takano et al., 2005a,b; Sato et al., 2005), which may
enhance lipolysis and bone formation, resulting in a
reduction of obesity and bone diseases as well as
improving strength and inducing hypertrophy of
muscle (Beekley et al., 2005). Also, GH stimulates the
liver to secrete insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1)
(Abe et al., 2005a), which may improve the function
of endothelium and insulin sensitivity. Thus, until
now, KAATSU training has been widely used in
healthy subjects and athletes, and has also been
applied to various kinds of conditions such as
orthopedic diseases, obesity and diabetes.

Parsley

L spilled a full pint last night, and broke a glass... mess :pac:

Carl Sagan

rubadub wrote: »

Has anybody any idea in effect how much weight you are lifting in a BW squat? e.g. I know a chinup is around 95%+ as you do not lift your forearms, of a pushup might be 70% or so.

So if I am 100kg and doing a pushup I am really experiencing 70kg, so if I want to up my resistance by 50% I should add about 35kg, rather than 50% of my BW.

So if you were 100kg and could squat 100kg then if you are lifting say 50% BW in a normal squat you are actually lifting the equivalent of 150kg. Therefore when using calculators or other estimates you could say your true 1RM is 150kg and so a regular BW squat is 33% of your 1RM.

This could be estimated using calculators, but most people could do far too many BW squats to input it.

http://www.naturalphysiques.com/tools.php?itemid=18

e.g. if a you click on that you see 10 reps at 200lb. So if a 200lb man can do 10BW squats the calculator estimates a 1RM of 266lb. So if the guy can manage a 1RM with 166lb you can estimate that the missing 100lb was the resistance of his own BW, in which case the squat would be 50% of his BW.

I want to this as I am doing that Kaatsu /occlusion training I wrote about before. The more I read about it the more amazed I am, and shocked I have not heard about it before. Seems it would ideal as a warmup for people too, even just walk 20min to the gym and arrive flooded with growth hormone.

Loads of studies here http://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=0&q=kaatsu&hl=en&as_sdt=2000

how to restrict the chest was asked before, I found this.


Could be good for fat loss too.

itsallaboutheL

Parsley wrote: »

L spilled a full pint last night, and broke a glass... mess :pac:

Inspector Coptoor

i might have to go out for a scoop or two tonight if the Rossies can kick on in the 2nd half and finish Sligo off

brianthebard

boo!

Inspector Coptoor

brianthebard wrote: »

boo!

gwan the Rossies!

Ill be in Flannerys with a Roscommon jersey on later!

brianthebard

can't believe how many points we gave to shine, you can't play properly for only 25 minutes and win it seems. Well done Liam, I suppose.

Inspector Coptoor

brianthebard wrote: »

can't believe how many points we gave to shine, you can't play properly for only 25 minutes and win it seems. Well done Liam, I suppose.

I cant believe Costello was left so wide open to get 5 screamers from play.

to beat mayo and galway and NOT win a Connacht SFC is pretty sick though.

brianthebard

He is a lethal player, but from the looks of things they decided to close off Kelly from the game and couldn't do it to everyone. Far too many fouls committed and far too many 50:50 balls missed though, can't expect to win like that. Roscommon midfield was supposed to be weak but turned out to dominate Sligo.

Edwardius

Berkhan on boozin' and training. I think I like this guy!

optimistic_

Another poxy running injury.

Excellent.

d'Oracle

My weightlifting(ish) shoes have arrived.:)

squod

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_kfDyIBMUA

[scratches head/] wow [scratches head]

the drifter

weight stable....callipers down...belt on my jeans down another notch...fitness up...strenght returning.....WIN!

the drifter

oh and more importantly....i slept alllll last night! :P

g'em

the drifter wrote: »

weight stable....callipers down...belt on my jeans down another notch...fitness up...strenght returning.....WIN!

so you're getting skinny? You realise myself and Byrdie (and many others) will never, ever, ever let you live this down?

the drifter

g'em wrote: »

so you're getting skinny? You realise myself and Byrdie (and many others) will never, ever, ever let you live this down?

i will accept the outcome of my actions... id never have survived this long in UL if i had feelings g'em

g'em

That's a good point actually. Well now that Byrdie will be spending so much time in the big schmoke maybe you can take over as the resident smart-arse?! :pac:

Oh and I should probably wait until I get the official we're open from the lads but East Coast Barbell is pure awesome. Four squat racks, three permanent platforms and one big central platform for general use. Dedicated prehab/ warm-up area with med-balls and bands and whatnot and loads of new equipment on its way in. It's a Carlsberg gym

the drifter

g'em wrote: »

That's a good point actually. Well now that Byrdie will be spending so much time in the big schmoke maybe you can take over as the resident smart-arse?! :pac:

Oh and I should probably wait until I get the official we're open from the lads but East Coast Barbell is pure awesome. Four squat racks, three permanent platforms and one big central platform for general use. Dedicated prehab/ warm-up area with med-balls and bands and whatnot and loads of new equipment on its way in. It's a Carlsberg gym

byrdie was never at my level of being a smart-arse....he could only dream of being as good as me at it...

g'em

...while you could only dream of being as strong as him?

the drifter

g'em....the entire country dreams of hitting his weights at his bodyweight...

d'Oracle

the drifter wrote: »

g'em....the entire country dreams of hitting his weights at his bodyweight...

I'd be happy enough to hit his weight at MY bodyweight.

g'em

d'Oracle wrote: »

I'd be happy enough to hit his weight at MY bodyweight.

well he could help with that - he's going to be working in ECB \o/

g'em

the drifter wrote: »

weight stable....callipers down...belt on my jeans down another notch...fitness up...strenght returning.....WIN!

just saw this and thought of you

http://www.threadless.com/product/1000/Runnin_Rhino

the drifter

g'em wrote: »

just saw this and thought of you

http://www.threadless.com/product/1000/Runnin_Rhino

mwhaaaaaaaaaa brilliant....

d'Oracle

g'em wrote: »

well he could help with that - he's going to be working in ECB \o/

I was going to pick you up on the schmoke comment there, but then I realised that ECB is actually in Co. Dublin.

On another utterly useless note, the whole ECB thing could be confusing for me. Its also the initials of the England and Wales Cricket Board.

g'em

d'Oracle wrote: »

On another utterly useless note, the whole ECB thing could be confusing for me. Its also the initials of the England and Wales Cricket Board.

There's also an East Coast Barbell Powerlifting Club in North Carolina. It could all get very confusing...

the drifter

Ya ECB has to go g'em..... it strikes the fear into me with my morgtage! :P

g'em

the drifter wrote: »

Ya ECB has to go g'em..... it strikes the fear into me with my morgtage! :P

you have a mortgage?!??! My faith in banks just plummeted, again

I won't refer to it anymore so.










Until it opens and I have loads of pictures and info and I can temporarily abuse my Mod priviliges talking about it...

Inspector Coptoor

Anyone able to give me a heads uP on ordering weighlifting shoes when it comes to sizes?

I have picked out a pair but want to the the size right before I order. They're Adidas. Should I go for a size bigger or is half a size bigger enough?
I wear size 11 in Aasics trainers. Thanks for any help

TommyKnocker

g'em wrote: »

There's also an East Coast Barbell Powerlifting Club in North Carolina. It could all get very confusing...

When I seen you first post re ECB I actually thought you were living it up across the pond

Then I discovered you were in tropical Miltown


M

g'em

B-Builder wrote: »

Then I discovered you were in tropical Miltown

Miltown?? where's that?

g'em

Liam Henners257 wrote: »

I have picked out a pair but want to the the size right before I order. They're Adidas. Should I go for a size bigger or is half a size bigger enough?
I wear size 11 in Aasics trainers. Thanks for any help

I went a half size up with the Ironworks and they're fine, perhaps even a little big. Depends if you're getting US or UK sizes I think... although it's so long since I got mine I can't really be sure.

Sorry, that's of absolutely no help to you at all is it?

TommyKnocker

g'em wrote: »

Miltown?? where's that?

Is that not where ECB is located in Dublin?


M

g'em

No it's down in Bray, in the estate off the Dublin Road just after the first M50 roundabout



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the drifter

g'em wrote: »

No it's down in Bray, in the estate off the Dublin Road just after the first M50 roundabout



\end plug

what no google maps directions or anything? sigh.....

g'em

oh well if you insist

the drifter

g'em wrote: »

oh well if you insist

g'em

sorry, I'll stop now

You did ask though. Sort of :pac:

the drifter

how much water is everyone drinking a day...im up on 4ltrs now...