Squats the story - the Off Topic Thread...

kevpants

Paudee wrote: »

The worst is when he 'likes' his own posts so it comes up in your newsfeed three times.

I haven't even been in the place yet and I'm already sick of the colour-scheme.

I'm so bombarded with updates my mam range me earlier and asked if I'd any news and all I could think of was "Hanley's mats arrived".

Hanley

kevpants wrote: »

I haven't even been in the place yet and I'm already sick of the colour-scheme.

I'm so bombarded with updates my mam range me earlier and asked if I'd any news and all I could think of was "Hanley's mats arrived".

It's working so.

Dermighty

Hanley wrote: »

Wait, do I get to smash **** up or not?

Yes.

Dermighty

I've got a question about wide grip pullups. I'm wondering how far you should hang down before pulling yourself back up.

Is the best execution of these from a dead hang to the top and back to a dead hang (this being 1 rep) or is stopping before a dead hang advisable?

I have impinged shoulders due to previously poor training and I find pulling myself up from the dead hang impossible (literally). I've been trying negatives but they only seem to be helping with the rest of the pullup instead of the lowest part.

This is a suitably off topic post.

Hanley

Dermighty wrote: »

I've got a question about wide grip pullups. I'm wondering how far you should hang down before pulling yourself back up.

Is the best execution of these from a dead hang to the top and back to a dead hang (this being 1 rep) or is stopping before a dead hang advisable?

I have impinged shoulders due to previously poor training and I find pulling myself up from the dead hang impossible (literally). I've been trying negatives but they only seem to be helping with the rest of the pullup instead of the lowest part.

This is a suitably off topic post.

If you've shoulder issues, stop doing wide grip pull ups. They add nothing and take everything (...hello batman-esque quote)

Hanley

Dermighty wrote: »

Yes.

F*cking A.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpUYjpKg9KY

Dermighty

Hanley wrote: »

If you've shoulder issues, stop doing wide grip pull ups. They add nothing and take everything (...hello batman-esque quote)

Cool. What can I do instead?

Recently I stopped doing a 4 or 5 day split of weights and focused on more aerobic exercise mixed with bodyweight circuits (squats, press ups, pullups, burpees, sprawls etc and plyometrics. I feel much better now than I did a month ago but I don't know another (solo) way to work my back without weights.

Hanley

Dermighty wrote: »

Cool. What can I do instead?

Recently I stopped doing a 4 or 5 day split of weights and focused on more aerobic exercise mixed with bodyweight circuits (squats, press ups, pullups, burpees, sprawls etc and plyometrics. I feel much better now than I did a month ago but I don't know another (solo) way to work my back without weights.

-Normal grip pull ups (just outside shoulder width)
-chins
-inverted row w/bar, broom handle between chairs or rings if you've access

Dermighty

Hanley wrote: »

-Normal grip pull ups (just outside shoulder width)
-chins
-inverted row w/bar, broom handle between chairs or rings if you've access

Completely forgot about those :P

Ah right, I thought you meant don't do pullups full stop.

I'll keep the grip width tighter and see how I go.

Hanley

Dermighty wrote: »

Completely forgot about those :P

Ah right, I thought you meant don't do pullups full stop.

I'll keep the grip width tighter and see how I go.

If you're having trouble with pull ups anyway, chins are probably gonna be a bit easier too.

Worth doing some scap pull ups and other scap exercises to make sure you can keep your shoulders pinned down too (seems mostly like that injuries occur as a result of your shoulders shrugging into your ears and arms rotating forward)

Dermighty

Hanley wrote: »

If you're having trouble with pull ups anyway, chins are probably gonna be a bit easier too.

Worth doing some scap pull ups and other scap exercises to make sure you can keep your shoulders pinned down too (seems mostly like that injuries occur as a result of your shoulders shrugging into your ears and arms rotating forward)

Yeah chins are a hell of a lot easier for me than pull ups.

I use a resistance band for pullups if I want to get higher numbers (10 or 12) as I'm currently limited to 4 or 5 at a time before failure.

I googled scap pull ups and they make a lot of sense to me, as that's the part that's hard if I dead hang, I'd say I'm hanging too low.

thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRZpligDOs

ferike1

Hey hey hey

Hanley stop giving pull up advice :P

If you want get your shoulder stronger you could also try semi planche or pike pushups.

JoeyDoh

Hanley wrote: »

If you've shoulder issues, stop doing wide grip pull ups. They add nothing and take everything (...hello batman-esque quote)

When you say add nothing do you mean they give the same results as normal pull-ups? I've always thought wide grips hit the lats harder?

Hanley

JoeyDoh wrote: »

When you say add nothing do you mean they give the same results as normal pull-ups? I've always thought wide grips hit the lats harder?

What makes you say that?

mushykeogh

Never realised how much internal shoulder rotation occurs during wide grip pull ups until i dislocated my shoulder. Not good for shoulder health in my opinion (n=1).

Hanley

mushykeogh wrote: »

Never realised how much internal shoulder rotation occurs during wide grip pull ups until i dislocated my shoulder. Not good for shoulder health in my opinion (n=1).

bump that up to n=2 mate!!!

And if you do somehow manage to generate a decent amount of external rotation with wide grip, it's VERY torquey on the wrist.

ferike1

Okay so best way of doing pullups is to avoid flaring of the elbows as much as possible keep your elbows close to your sides. I read in a gymnastics book the best time to do wide grip is on the rings.

Rossin

hmmm I always attempt pull ups and lately have widened the grip to make it tougher, i dislocated my right shoulder many times, are you guys saying I could be doing damage or what? its my fave exercise

Michael 09

Okay so we shouldn't be doing pull ups? We should be using the lat pull machine instead?

ferike1

NOOOOOO. Pullups ftw!

mushykeogh

Rossin wrote: »

hmmm I always attempt pull ups and lately have widened the grip to make it tougher, i dislocated my right shoulder many times, are you guys saying I could be doing damage or what? its my fave exercise

Anterior dislocation, wide grip will repeatably put the joint into INternal rotation, which isnt good for a previously dislocated shoulder , just narrow the grip a little as recommended by Hanley.

Michael 09 wrote: »

Okay so we shouldn't be doing pull ups? We should be using the lat pull machine instead?

Hell no, just narrow the grip slightly!

Hanley

mushykeogh wrote: »

Anterior dislocation, wide grip will repeatably put the joint into external rotation, which isnt good for a previously dislocated shoulder , just narrow the grip a little as recommended by Hanley.



Hell no, just narrow the grip slightly!

+1 to both (cos I know you really meant internal rotation above!!)

mushykeogh

Hanley wrote: »

+1 to both (cos I know you really meant internal rotation above!!)

Touche! Time for the edit function!

TheZ

If you're watching shot put
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17641594
Shot put performance linked to 1RM squat and incline bench

ferike1

http://gawker.com/5931288/crossfitters-worried-that-private-equity-deal-will-destroy-their-precious-crossfit

Oh no. Crossfitters are worried!

Gummy Panda

Can anyone remember the name of those mini foam roller like equipment?

They are about 6-8 inches long and look like a giant version of the things thread comes on. They're used for rolling calves and arch of feet IIRC.

ferike1

http://www.physiosupplies.com/fitness/Trigger-Point-Therapy-Golf-Kits.html

Gummy Panda

ferike1 wrote: »

http://www.physiosupplies.com/fitness/Trigger-Point-Therapy-Golf-Kits.html

Expensive, though there is a starter kit on amazon which is cheaper.

ferike1

ferike1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7awHXVAGQYc

The woman who is doing kips at 30 secs is mental and her baby should be taken from her!

Stench Blossoms

Hmmmm not sure I agree with you there.

Don't see a problem with pregnant women working out. She's obviously didn't just start when she got pregnant.

But yes. Some people are insane

ferike1

There is working out and then there is having common sense!

I am not a pregnant woman but even I could see doing kipping pullups isn't the best idea with a baby...

Stench Blossoms

ferike1 wrote: »

There is working out and then there is having common sense!

I am not a pregnant woman but even I could see doing kipping pullups isn't the best idea with a baby...

Come back to me when you are a pregnant woman. Then we can talk

papu

light exercise , stretching, yoga , pilates all good.

Kipping pullups , I've seen people doing those lose their grip and fall , definitely not the right thing for a pregnant woman to be doing :O

Hanley

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Come back to me when you are a pregnant woman. Then we can talk

....I don't need to drive a dragster at 300+mph to tell you it's dangerous do I?

You should see some of the f*cking sh*t that these idiots are doing. Kipping pull ups which present a very real fall risk, burpees while heavily pregnant, overhead squats with their baby strapped to their chest. It's beyond dangerous and irresponsible.

There's nothing wrong with training while pregnant. There's a lot wrong with training stupidly while pregnant.

d'Oracle

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Come back to me when you are a pregnant woman. Then we can talk

Fallacious Argument.

Are you implying that someone needs to be pregnant to see if doing certain exercises are dangerous for women with child. To be comment on danger to an unborn child you have to be or have been a pregnant woman?

I mean if we make a really rather small extension on that, every doctor and nurse working in maternity hospitals, not to mention all gynecologists or even GP's for that matter, would all not only have to be female, but be either pregnant or a mother?

Patient: "Doctor, should I be doing kipping pullups or are they dangerous for my baby?"
Male Doctor: "Hell if I know, I'm not capable of becoming pregnant. $60 please."

ferike1

That clapping part at the start reminds me of some sort of cult ritual!

Watching these videos really highlights that not everyone is a Rich Froning

Gummy Panda

is your one doing the horrible deadlift pregnant?

That deadlift just makes my spine shudder. Its nearly as bad as "ONE NINETY!!" guy

Brian?

Hanley wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with training while pregnant. There's a lot wrong with training stupidly while pregnant EVER.

FYP.

I whole heartedly agree though, stupidity just gets more stupid when a woman is pregnant.

Mellor

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Come back to me when you are a pregnant woman. Then we can talk

seriously?
Certain moves are clearly dangerous when pregnant. Kipping, snatches, burpees etc. It's insane to this they are a good idea. I've no idea why you think a pregnant women would know better than anyone else.

Sephiroth_dude

Going to do squats with the smith machine tomorrow having practiced with a bar for a bit and a medicine ball,am I right in thinking I should go down as far as possible?I often see lads only doing half squats,is that because the weight is too heavy?

kevpants

There's a lot wrong with training while pregnant. You're making a person, stop being so selfish and worrying about your f'ing Fran time and let your body do the most stressful thing it will ever do without adding weight and doing it for time.

Women who have their babies and haven't gained plenty of bodyfat at the same time should be forced to sign some kind of register.

Brian?

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Going to do squats with the smith machine tomorrow having practiced with a bar for a bit and a medicine ball,am I right in thinking I should go down as far as possible?I often see lads only doing half squats,is that because the weight is too heavy?

Don't squat with a smith machine.

Do you have squat rack available.

d'Oracle

kevpants wrote: »

Women who have their babies and haven't gained plenty of bodyfat at the same time should be forced to sign some kind of register.

I know you probably mean well, but that turns out a pretty ****ty statement to make.

I know a few women who didn't do anything particularly stressful or limit anything and didn't put on a lot of body fat. Some women just don't pile on fat during pregnancy.

Sephiroth_dude

briankeating wrote: »

Don't squat with a smith machine.

Do you have squat rack available.

no unfortunately only a smith machine,whats wrong with a smith machine?

Gummy Panda

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

no unfortunately only a smith machine,whats wrong with a smith machine?

Limits range of motion and doesn't force you to stabilise the weight

Sephiroth_dude

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Limits range of motion and doesn't force you to stabilise the weight

ah I see,am I right in saying though you should try and go down as far as you can though?

Orla K

briankeating wrote: »

Don't squat with a smith machine.

Do you have squat rack available.

If there's no squatting rack available what would you suggest?
I'm getting really frustrated at not being able to do a simple exercise, and I only have one choice of gym.

Brian?

Orla K wrote: »

briankeating wrote: »

Don't squat with a smith machine.

Do you have squat rack available.

If there's no squatting rack available what would you suggest?
I'm getting really frustrated at not being able to do a simple exercise, and I only have one choice of gym.

Goblet squats, power clean and front squats, DB squats off the top of my head.

I wouldn't join a gym without a rack in the first place, unfortunately this isn't an option for you.

kevpants

d'Oracle wrote: »

I know you probably mean well, but that turns out a pretty ****ty statement to make.

I know a few women who didn't do anything particularly stressful or limit anything and didn't put on a lot of body fat. Some women just don't pile on fat during pregnancy.

Bollox!

They dieted. I know a few of those miraculous women too.

Never underestimate the evasiveness of a woman who desperately wants to be a yummy mummy but doesn't want anyone to know they're trying,