Squats the story - the Off Topic Thread...

FunkZ

I feel like I'll never ever be able to do pull ups...

Even when I do negatives I seem to fall off the bar as if I've jumped off a wall...

/cries all the way to PI!

Dips however, I'm getting better at them :P

Four dips that is, they're probably partial dips as well.

Sephiroth_dude

Hi
If your knees go past your toes when squatting how do you correct this ?

Thud

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Hi
If your knees go past your toes when squatting how do you correct this ?

get bigger feet or shorter shins

Where did you hear they weren't supposed to go past your toes?

http://tinyurl.com/cgx8sm7

Sephiroth_dude

Thanks for that

I was in the gym last week and guy came over to me and said I shouldn't squat so deep,knees shouldn't go past toes,I've been squatting since late August and I've always gone as deep as I could,so I was just wondering

papu

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Thanks for that

I was in the gym last week and guy came over to me and said I shouldn't squat so deep,knees shouldn't go past toes,I've been squatting since late August and I've always gone as deep as I could,so I was just wondering

Ass to the grass , if the knees come over the toes don't worry it's natural. As long as the chest is up and out , pushing through the heels you'll be good.

Hanley

Feet just outside shoulder width, Heels down, knees over ankles, chest up and a straight lower back at the bottom - doesn't matter a damn what happens with your knee/toe relationship from there

Sephiroth_dude

Thanks lads,if he comes over again I show him this thread

Hail 2 Da Chimp

Hanley wrote: »

Your lower back is naturally curved. Keep that shape while pressing.

Hey Hanley,
Can you elaborate on this a bit more. I watched some Diesel Crew videos where they recommend arching your back, lifting your ass off the bench and putting all your weight on your traps.
The reasoning behind this is, you reduce the rotation in your shoulders and it leads to healthier shoulders when benching.

I'll have a look for the vid again.

Hanley

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

Hey Hanley,
Can you elaborate on this a bit more. I watched some Diesel Crew videos where they recommend arching your back, lifting your ass off the bench and putting all your weight on your traps.
The reasoning behind this is, you reduce the rotation in your shoulders and it leads to healthier shoulders when benching.

I'll have a look for the vid again.

Optimal benching versus 100% "safe" benching are different things.

The "curve" I refer to is the way your back is shaped like an elongated "S". Trying to flatten that out and press it into the bench (ie taking it out of natural alignment) is stupid.

The arch referred to in that diesel crew video should come from your upper back, not your lower. The thoracic vertebrae tolerate flexion and rotation far better than the lumbar ones.

JJayoo

and a straight lower back at the bottom

So you would advise avoiding ATG squatting? Think I'm yet to see someone squat atg without their lower back rounding.

Hanley

JJayoo wrote: »

So you would advise avoiding ATG squatting? Think I'm yet to see someone squat atg without their lower back rounding.

You're looking at the wrong people so.

And "ass to grass" squatting is something weak people latch onto as an excuse as to why their squat is so low.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl3Vldo7x4c

JJayoo

Perhaps we are talking about different things. I'm talking about the way your ass tucks in towards your heels at the very bottom of the squat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOsjJVduFTY

When you squat you stop at parallel and your ass does not tuck under.

d'Oracle

JJayoo wrote: »

Perhaps we are talking about different things. I'm talking about the way your ass tucks in towards your heels at the very bottom of the squat

I think you, as in you singular, are talking about two different things.
Mendes tucks a little in that one. Clarence and Chekarov don't round their backs at all there.

I think you are confusing lumbar flexion with hitting full hip, knee and ankle flexion. Or rather mistaking them for the same thing.

JJayoo

Think your might be right Oracle. Seems I'm talking about butt winking

The above video is a pretty mild example but shes pretty so :pac:

http://articles.elitefts.com/training-articles/is-your-squat-too-low-needs-pics/

"What exactly is the “tuck under?” While squatting, the coccyx and pelvis are pulled under the body when the lifter reaches a lower depth, thus the tuck under. It may happen at different points for different lifters, but the result is the same. The load on the lumbar spine is magnified and, under a substantial load, could result in disc herniations or worse. During a squat of 0.8–1.6 times body weight, the compressive forces on the lumbar spine are as great as ten times body weight (Cappozzo, et al). Imagine the compressive loads as lifters get up to double and triple body weight. Then add instability at the lumbar spine by pulling the coccyx under the body and adding a curve to the lumbar spine. The result is astronomical. For most general lifters, depth of the squat can be adjusted and worked to lower points over time"

Hanley

JJayoo wrote: »

Perhaps we are talking about different things. I'm talking about the way your ass tucks in towards your heels at the very bottom of the squat

Two of those videos show rock bottom squats with a straight back.

The Mendes vid has a small tuck.

When you squat you stop at parallel and your ass does not tuck under.

That's funny. I actually know how I squat, and my bar and foot position is totally different to the vids you posted, so incomparable anyway. And they were actually below parallel.

JJayoo

Someone's very defensive this morning. I was not criticizing you in anyway ,I was asking a question. Maybe your not familiar with people asking questions. I explained in my previous message that I was mixed up between squatting with a rounded lower back and tucking/butt winking.

Zombienosh

just had the most amazing porridge.
I usually make mine with coconut milk and put in flax seed oils, sunflower seeds, coconut oil & a banana and some maple syrup.

Today I had no bananas so instead threw in a scoop of Banana cream whey and it was delish, It made it sweet enough that I didn't need the maple syrup.
This will be the staple breakfast from now on.

d'Oracle

Zombienosh wrote: »

just had the most amazing porridge.

I literally never thought I would ever hear or read that.

MrPain

Anyone know some place that sell dress shirts that have an athletic cut or experience with a tailor/alterations place that isn't going to break the bank?
I have a 16.5 neck but wear 30inch pants and this usually result in looking like a tent around the waist. Edit: in dublin.

Inspector Coptoor

MrPain wrote: »

Anyone know some place that sell dress shirts that have an athletic cut or experience with a tailor/alterations place that isn't going to break the bank?
I have a 16.5 neck but wear 30inch pants and this usually result in looking like a tent around the waist. Edit: in dublin.

I've a 17 inch neck, and while my waist would be around the 35/36 mark, I have the same problem with shirts.

What do you think is breaking the bank?

I got 3 fully fitted TM Lewin shirts in House of Fraser Dundrum for €129.
Great quality, excellent fit & don't hang off me like a moo moo

Hanley

JJayoo wrote: »

Someone's very defensive this morning. I was not criticizing you in anyway ,I was asking a question. Maybe your not familiar with people asking questions. I explained in my previous message that I was mixed up between squatting with a rounded lower back and tucking/butt winking.

I didn't read the previous message. And I wasn't being defensive. Maybe you're being paranoid?

JJayoo

Maybe you're being paranoid?

:rolleyes: Ya sure, I'm the paranoid one on boards lol

Hanley

JJayoo wrote: »

:rolleyes: Ya sure, I'm the paranoid one on boards lol

that's good - confronting it is the first step

boomtown84

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

I've a 17 inch neck, and while my waist would be around the 35/36 mark, I have the same problem with shirts.

What do you think is breaking the bank?

I got 3 fully fitted TM Lewin shirts in House of Fraser Dundrum for €129.
Great quality, excellent fit & don't hang off me like a moo moo

That's pretty good. Anyone know anywhere that does something similar on the Northside or in town for a reasonable price? There are far too many tailors/suit shops in Dublin to be ringing around.

Hanley

boomtown84 wrote: »

That's pretty good. Anyone know anywhere that does something similar on the Northside or in town for a reasonable price? There are far too many tailors/suit shops in Dublin to be ringing around.

There's a TM Lewin on South Anne Street opposite Eddies too.

Zara do some pretty nice fitted shirts too.

JoeyDoh

Hanley wrote: »

There's a TM Lewin on South Anne Street opposite Eddies too.

Zara do some pretty nice fitted shirts too.

+1 for Zara, good quality too and last an age.

colman1212

So what do people think of the thumbless grip on the bench press? I used it tonight for the first time. Would never use it without a spotter but I found it quite good. It puts my shoulders in the correct position. I have a history of benching with my shoulders and triceps which I've had trouble moving away from. This seems to put my shoulders in the correct position and stop them from rolling forward...cos if they do roll forward you drop the bar lol.
Anyways it seems to help me target chest. Interested to hear opinions..

jugger0

colman1212 wrote: »

So what do people think of the thumbless grip on the bench press? I used it tonight for the first time. Would never use it without a spotter but I found it quite good. It puts my shoulders in the correct position. I have a history of benching with my shoulders and triceps which I've had trouble moving away from. This seems to put my shoulders in the correct position and stop them from rolling forward...cos if they do roll forward you drop the bar lol.
Anyways it seems to help me target chest. Interested to hear opinions..

Hell nahhhh

Ive seen too many bench press vids like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv7IoVPUZPE

Hanley

colman1212 wrote: »

So what do people think of the thumbless grip on the bench press? I used it tonight for the first time. Would never use it without a spotter but I found it quite good. It puts my shoulders in the correct position. I have a history of benching with my shoulders and triceps which I've had trouble moving away from. This seems to put my shoulders in the correct position and stop them from rolling forward...cos if they do roll forward you drop the bar lol.
Anyways it seems to help me target chest. Interested to hear opinions..

Just put your hand in the correct position on the bar instead (hint: it sits from webby part of yout thumb down towards the base of your palm, not straight across).

I'll try to take a pic tonight if I can.

Dathai

Has anyone got any decent shoulder warm ups, specifically for the squat?

I'm getting killed trying to get under the bar due to shoulder flexibility. I've been doing loads of dislocates (well, attempting, I cant get very good ROM using a stick atm, but bands work well) and chest stretches before I squat, but it's still very difficult to get under the bar and get set up. Should I just keep hacking away at the dislocates?

Mr. Rager

In other news:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwsEdKxYKeY

Hanley

Dathai wrote: »

Has anyone got any decent shoulder warm ups, specifically for the squat?

I'm getting killed trying to get under the bar due to shoulder flexibility. I've been doing loads of dislocates (well, attempting, I cant get very good ROM using a stick atm, but bands work well) and chest stretches before I squat, but it's still very difficult to get under the bar and get set up. Should I just keep hacking away at the dislocates?

Ah c'mon... http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056817175

Dathai

Hanley wrote: »

Ah c'mon... http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056817175

I did see that, Hanley. I do something similar, I use the green band as it is in the image, place my palms flat agains the bands with my elbow still in the sling, but I turn away to stretch my chest and shoulder. I figured the way you had shown was specifically targeted towards elbow tendinitis. I'll give it a go.

Hanley

Dathai wrote: »

I did see that, Hanley. I do something similar, I use the green band as it is in the image, place my palms flat agains the bands with my elbow still in the sling, but I turn away to stretch my chest and shoulder. I figured the way you had shown was specifically targeted towards elbow tendinitis. I'll give it a go.

Nah it's actually specifically for external rotation, a lack of which is causing my elbow trouble!!

It's my own twist on the mobilization you mentioned there. I like it, but its too easy to compensate by turning into the stretch and losing the tension. Teaming up the bands makes it super awesome.

jugger0

Anyone know of decent shorts to squat in? surprisingly hard to find a good pair... major kudos if they look like rugby shorts too.

Hanley

jugger0 wrote: »

Anyone know of decent shorts to squat in? surprisingly hard to find a good pair... major kudos if they look like rugby shorts too.

Nike DriFit or UnderArmor are awesome (the loose fit type, obviously)

Rugby shorts suck for squatting.

jugger0

Hanley wrote: »

Rugby shorts suck for squatting.

Ages ago i got a great pair of shorts, they look like rugby shorts but were flexible as fook, haven't been able to find them again tho.. rage.

squod

jugger0 wrote: »

Anyone know of decent shorts to squat in? surprisingly hard to find a good pair... major kudos if they look like rugby shorts too.

Grey cotton baggy jogging pants from cedarwood state. Epic sports wear, only available from Penny's don't you know!

Cut them off at the knee. Perfecto.

Fizman

Apologies if this has been mentioned but I haven't been on the forum in a while and nothing obvious appeared under search.....but do any of you have any details on the gym in Limerick that will be re-opening in the location where JJB was originally?

Michael 09

Mr. Rager wrote: »

In other news:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwsEdKxYKeY

WTF - black and navy combo?? Tut tut

Thud

Hanley wrote: »

Nike DriFit or UnderArmor are awesome (the loose fit type, obviously)

Rugby shorts suck for squatting.

the canterbury shorts with the elasticated crotch work grand
http://www.canterburyofnz.com/rugby/rugby-shorts/advantage-short.html

Hanley

Thud wrote: »

the canterbury shorts with the elasticated crotch work grand
http://www.canterburyofnz.com/rugby/rugby-shorts/advantage-short.html

But they're soooooo short!

#PutTheMouseBackInTheHouse

Will Heffernan

Dathai wrote: »

Has anyone got any decent shoulder warm ups, specifically for the squat?

I'm getting killed trying to get under the bar due to shoulder flexibility. I've been doing loads of dislocates (well, attempting, I cant get very good ROM using a stick atm, but bands work well) and chest stretches before I squat, but it's still very difficult to get under the bar and get set up. Should I just keep hacking away at the dislocates?

Me crapping on endlessly a million years ago about shoulder mobility and stability.

Some shoulder band work from years ago when I invented shoulder mobility work

More band work from the olden days

Dathai

Cheers Will.

Just for reference sake, this is what I was on about in my previous post (in case anyone wants try it). I haven't done the second stretch after the first, so I'll give it a go and see if there's any improvement.

http://www.mobilitywod.com/2010/09/shoulders-and-back-squat-rack-and-darth.html

squod

Fizman wrote: »

Apologies if this has been mentioned but I haven't been on the forum in a while and nothing obvious appeared under search.....but do any of you have any details on the gym in Limerick that will be re-opening in the location where JJB was originally?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056797161&page=2

.

jugger0

Thud wrote: »

the canterbury shorts with the elasticated crotch work grand
http://www.canterburyofnz.com/rugby/rugby-shorts/advantage-short.html

These seem too good to be true, can you go ATG in them?

jugger0

Hanley wrote: »

But they're soooooo short!

#PutTheMouseBackInTheHouse

Spandex bro, never gym without them or else the boys will be all over the place.

Brian?

Will Heffernan wrote: »

Me crapping on endlessly a million years ago about shoulder mobility and stability.

Some shoulder band work from years ago when I invented shoulder mobility work

More band work from the olden days

I for one enjoyed ODB playing in the background of the 2nd video. Gyms need more Wu-Tang.

Thud

jugger0 wrote: »

These seem too good to be true, can you go ATG in them?

I don't squat ATG but do warmup bodyweight atg squats in them

Hanley

This is incredible. Jamie Oliver rocketed to the top of "my favourite people" list after seeing this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIwrV5e6fMY