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hawthorn, whitethorn & blackthorn

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  • 11-05-2009 9:57pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 21


    As obtuse as this sounds, which is which?
    Which is the one that's all out in lovely little white flowers right now, said flowers turning pink later on in summer?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭Sundew


    It's the whitethorn that is all in blossom at the moment. It is also referred to as "Hawthorn" and in rural Ireland there is a tradition of hanging it on your garden gate to ward off bad luck.
    hawthorn-tree-with-ripe-red-berries-200.jpg
    http://www.whitedragon.org.uk/articles/hawthorn.htm
    http://www.shee-eire.com/Herbs,Trees&Fungi/Trees/Hawthorn/Factsheet1.htm

    The Blackthorn is a darker bush that produces "sloes" (round black/purple berries similar in size to a marble) in Autumn. It s not as pretty to look at as the hawthorn whose leaves whilst very small are similar to that of an oak tree. Good description of it in these few articles.
    blackthorn-tree-prunus-spinosa-86.jpg

    http://www.gardenplansireland.com/forum/about798.html
    http://www.irishwildflowers.ie/pages-trees/t-5.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prunus_spinosa


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    A handy way of recognising them in flower is:

    Blackthorn flowers open before the leaves and Hawthorn leaves open first and then flowers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48 Doubt.It


    I was wondering for ages and finally looked it up today - How do you tell a whitethorn from a hawthorn?

    Turns out you can't. It's the same tree, AKA the may tree.

    The blackthorn is a very different tree, and is often seen in the form of hedges. Famous of course for its sloe berries - a small sour plum - and its very tough gnarly timber historically favoured for walking and fighting sticks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    Sloe Gin mmmmmm


  • Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Durnish


    Also, sloe can start flowering in Feb/March, hawthorn is always early/mid May.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭Spuddeeez


    so just to confirm, the Whitehorn blooms first, usually in Feb./March. The Blackthorn blooms end of April to mid May (which can be seen at the moment in the hedgerows)?


  • Registered Users Posts: 846 ✭✭✭Gambas


    Spuddeeez wrote: »
    so just to confirm, the Whitehorn blooms first, usually in Feb./March. The Blackthorn blooms end of April to mid May (which can be seen at the moment in the hedgerows)?

    No, what you see flowering now is hawthorn.

    Blackthorn - flowers come before leaves (Late March/April)
    Hawthorn (aka Whitethorn, Maythorn) - leaves before flowers (Late April/May)


  • Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭iPink


    Spuddeeez wrote: »
    so just to confirm, the Whitehorn blooms first, usually in Feb./March. The Blackthorn blooms end of April to mid May (which can be seen at the moment in the hedgerows)?

    No it's the other way round!! They are both types of rose family...
    Blackthorn is finished flowering now & the Whitethorn is just starting to flower- hence the name Mayflower (where I am anyway) though it puts it's leaves out earlier, around the same time as the Blackthorn flowers!
    Blackthorn is also often confused with wild plum (or damson.... Can't remember which!) Which is also a member of the Rose family, blooms at the same time in hedges & bushes & looks very similiar.
    Whitethorn & Hawthorn are the same thing though Hawthorn is usually the English name!


  • Registered Users Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    People also confuse the ornamental flowering plum, planted along roadsides and housing estates, for blackthorn.


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