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The Left Wing in Ireland

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  • #52
    turgon
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    I just find it utterly hilarious that so many people think Ireland is right wing.

    What sort of right wing state has money being thrown at unions, money being thrown at welfare systems that encourage people not to work, money being put into transport systems that cost way way more than Britain etc etc???


  • #53
    brianthebard
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    jmcc wrote: »
    The problem with the Left is that they are either on the dole or write for the Irish Times. Leftism seems to attract a lot of well meaning people in their teens and twenties but by the time they hit thirty and have to work for a living, they become Right wing - especially when the government decides to increase taxes. Those who don't tend to be union representatives or long term unemployed. Or perhaps I'm being too cynical again.

    Regards...jmcc

    The Irish Times is left wing now? FFS, do people even know what they are talking about when they start throwing around labels like left and right wing? The amount of cliches and regurgitated 'facts' of Irish political history in this thread only adds to my present headache.


  • #54
    Soldie
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    Do labels really matter though? Does it really matter whether the consensus is that the Irish government is slightly left of centre as opposed to moderately left of centre? The fact of the matter is that our government's interventionist polices and fiscal irresponsibility have lead us up **** creek without a paddle - whatever 'wing' that is holds little relevance. While some think that increased (or improved) intervention and tighter regulation in/of the economy is the solution, I think that the government needs to step back and let us get on with things.


  • #55
    RealityCheck
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    turgon wrote: »
    I just find it utterly hilarious that so many people think Ireland is right wing.

    What sort of right wing state has money being thrown at unions, money being thrown at welfare systems that encourage people not to work, money being put into transport systems that cost way way more than Britain etc etc???


    Interestingly Fianna fail tried to balance some liberal (PD) right wing economic policies with some sort of left wing welfare state. Basically trying to run a welfare state in a low tax slightly liberal economy. The only reason it worked for so long was quite obviously the property boom. Now that its gone FF have some decisions to make.

    All the hallmarks of a confused centrist state methinks ;).

    Ya just cant have it everyway :eek:.


  • #56
    edanto
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    Ah these fecking labels.

    So bloody monotonous these discussions.

    Let's get specific on issues instead of labels.

    Is support for NAMA right wing or left wing?!

    Why?

    Socialism was conceived in England by Marx as a post-capitalist society and should not be confused with soviet f0ckups.

    Great post Private Eye


  • #57
    DadaKopf
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    donegalfella wrote: »
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    That's great. What's you're ontology?


  • #58
    Permabear
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  • #59
    DadaKopf
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    donegalfella wrote: »
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    Thats meaningless and you know it. How do you ontologically support your individualist stance?


  • #60
    Permabear
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  • #61
    Permabear
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  • #62
    djpbarry
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    donegalfella wrote: »
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    I’m not disagreeing with you. I think we are in need of a more economically “right-wing” party in this country to balance up the Dáil. The problem is, I think the overwhelming majority of voters would disagree, hence the demise of the PD’s.
    donegalfella wrote: »
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    Well, it’s ultimately the banks who reduced the cost of borrowing, some more (recklessly) than others. Hence some banks went to the wall, some didn’t.
    donegalfella wrote: »
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    I couldn’t agree more.


  • #63
    Permabear
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  • #64
    djpbarry
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    donegalfella wrote: »
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    I’m sure they would have some support, but I think the big winners (politically) of the current crisis will be those who claim to represent the interests of “the workers”.
    donegalfella wrote: »
    I personally believe that the PDs collapsed for reasons that had little to do with the unpopularity of economic liberalism.
    Fair enough – I’ll have to bow to your superior knowledge on that one!
    donegalfella wrote: »
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    No, that’s not what I mean. What I’m saying is that there was no reason why banks could not have exercised a little restraint and employed more sensible lending policies (that’s not to say that some didn’t). After all, it was in their own interest do to so.

    I worked in one of the larger banks in this country circa 2004, supervising the treasury operations of one of its subsidiaries. I’m no economist (that much should be obvious by now), but even I could see that the lending practices employed were totally unsustainable. If my superiors (well, my superiors’ superiors!) at the time had listened to my concerns (and those of others) and scaled things back, this particular bank would not be in the state it’s in now. But they didn’t want to listen, because they were all being paid great big bonuses for lending massive sums to commercial customers. Not only that, but the CEO of the parent company was hell-bent on expanding at any cost.


  • #65
    brianthebard
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    donegalfella wrote: »
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    :rolleyes: Everything is left wing to you.


  • #66
    Permabear
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  • #67
    irish_bob
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    donegalfella wrote: »
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    heres my definition of a few outlets

    guardian = left
    new york times = left of centre
    irish times = left of cenre
    irish independant = right of centre
    daily telegraph = right of centre
    daily mail = right



    rte = left of centre
    bbc = left of centre
    cnn = centre

    fox news = gop propoganda machine :)


  • #68
    Sgt. Sensible
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    donegalfella wrote: »
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    Daniel Hannan eh?
    Daniel Hannan wrote:
    In the ten years that I have been travelling to Iceland, I have watched an economic miracle unfold there ... Today, Icelanders are absolutely rolling in it. A people two generations away from subsistence farming have become international tycoons.

    Look at the City of London, for heaven’s sake, which Brussels is doing its best to asphyxiate with its financial regulations.

    Icelanders understand that there is a connection between living in an independent state and living independently from the state. They have no more desire to submit to international than to national regulation. That attitude has made them the happiest, freest and wealthiest people on earth.
    http://www.spectator.co.uk/print/the-magazine/cartoons/12658/blueeyed-sheikhs.thtml

    Iceland eh?

    Hannan and his ilk on the loony fringe of the right are a nuisance, not a solution.


  • #69
    Permabear
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  • #70
    Skrynesaver
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    Good news donegalfella, there is a state which has existed without government for the last 18 years. So why not head off to Somalia and try and live in your idealised state ;)


  • #71
    RealityCheck
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    donegalfella wrote: »
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    Maybe not, but was it not the liberal right that caused the problem ??


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