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Gardaí to stand trial in connection with alleged assault on teenager

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    #362
    senordingdong
    Registered Users Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    Mr. Presentable wrote: »
    I thought it was clear in my opening remark I don't condone their (alleged) actions.

    I also expressed surprise at their stupidity, but you took that as support? No, I fully condemn their (alleged) actions

    Gotcha.
    Just wasn't sure about it when you suggested an alternative that would have allowed them do what they wanted but get away with it.

    Anyway, I agree with Nodin, for better or for worse, the evidence in this case is all over the place.


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    #363
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Well, its more the "evidence"....the fact is that regardless of the character of the indivicual, he's entitled to be able to sit in his house securely unless he's committed a crime, regardless of what he may or may not have done in the past. Otherwise everyone who did at least one stupid thing in youth would essentially receive a 'life sentence' to being a 2nd class citizen.


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    #364
    ANXIOUS
    Registered Users Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭ANXIOUS


    At the end of the day, would you really want your faith to be decided by 12people who couldnt come up with an excuse not to be on a jury?


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    #365
    mike kelly
    Registered Users Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭mike kelly


    ANXIOUS wrote: »
    At the end of the day, would you really want your faith to be decided by 12people who couldnt come up with an excuse not to be on a jury?

    think that up yourself? It's a good one though


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    #366
    Calibos
    Registered Users Posts: 7,807 ✭✭✭Calibos


    ANXIOUS wrote: »
    At the end of the day, would you really want your faith to be decided by 12people who couldnt come up with an excuse not to be on a jury?

    I'll pick my own religion or lack thereof, Thank You very much. I will not leave my heavenly fate up to anyone else.


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    #367
    dvpower
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    mike kelly wrote: »
    when is the verdict expected? I can't see the gardai doing any time no matter what happens
    The trial is adjourned 'till next week


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    #368
    mike kelly
    Registered Users Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭mike kelly


    dvpower wrote: »
    The trial is adjourned 'till next week

    Has Gaffney been bought / scared off? Something fishy here


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    #369
    senordingdong
    Registered Users Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    mike kelly wrote: »
    Has Gaffney been bought / scared off? Something fishy here

    The Garadí convinced him to withdraw his suit.
    They said that if he didn't, they would go to his hou.......


    Perhaps, despite all wild accusations and heated interenet discussions, there is no solid evidence.


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    #370
    znv6i3h7kqf9ys
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    mike kelly wrote: »
    Has Gaffney been bought / scared off? Something fishy here
    Can they even do that in a criminal trial? I know they can in a civil trial but thought that once the dpp were involved it had to go the whole hog?


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    #371
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    I'm afraid thats it for now ...........Tune in Next Week For Another Episode Of 'They battered The Head Off Me'.............


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    #372
    mike kelly
    Registered Users Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭mike kelly


    Roberto Clever Vacuum wrote: »
    Can they even do that in a criminal trial? I know they can in a civil trial but thought that once the dpp were involved it had to go the whole hog?

    well if Gaffney changes his evidence, upon mature reflection is no longer so sure of what happened, then that will be it.

    A good cliffhanger for the end of the week


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    znv6i3h7kqf9ys
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    mike kelly wrote: »
    well if Gaffney changes his evidence, upon mature reflection is no longer so sure of what happened, then that will be it.

    A good cliffhanger for the end of the week
    To clarify my question. Can the Gardai offer compo for him to drop the trial? I think if they could they would. It would mean they couldn't then perjur themselves.


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    #374
    Mr. Presentable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,496 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    mike kelly wrote: »
    well if Gaffney changes his evidence, upon mature reflection is no longer so sure of what happened, then that will be it.

    A good cliffhanger for the end of the week

    Yesterday's Court reports already show inconsistency between his evidence and what he reported to the Ombudsman in his complaint, but that could be explained perhaps by the passage of time.


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    #375
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Roberto Clever Vacuum wrote: »
    Can they even do that in a criminal trial? I know they can in a civil trial but thought that once the dpp were involved it had to go the whole hog?
    Its only been adjourned (on request from the prosecution). They'll all be back next week.


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    #376
    dvpower
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    Roberto Clever Vacuum wrote: »
    To clarify my question. Can the Gardai offer compo for him to drop the trial? I think if they could they would. It would mean they couldn't then perjur themselves.

    Its not his trial to drop. The state are bringing the case, not Gaffney.


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    #377
    mike kelly
    Registered Users Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭mike kelly


    dvpower wrote: »
    Its not his trial to drop. The state are bringing the case, not Gaffney.

    Yes, but without him there is no case.


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    #378
    mike kelly
    Registered Users Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭mike kelly


    Roberto Clever Vacuum wrote: »
    To clarify my question. Can the Gardai offer compo for him to drop the trial? I think if they could they would. It would mean they couldn't then perjur themselves.

    Good question. Not sure if it is offically possible but an under the table deal could be worked out.


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    #379
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    mike kelly wrote: »
    Good question. Not sure if it is offically possible but an under the table deal could be worked out.
    I think paying a witness to change or withdraw testimony half way through a criminal trial might lead to charges of contempt of court.


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    #380
    mike kelly
    Registered Users Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭mike kelly


    dvpower wrote: »
    I think paying a witness to change or withdraw testimony half way through a criminal trial might lead to charges of contempt of court.

    Well Gaffney already has 27 previous convictions, I wouldn't say that one more would worry him too much.


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    #381
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    mike kelly wrote: »
    Well Gaffney already has 27 previous convictions, I wouldn't say that one more would worry him too much.
    I was thinking more of the Gardai being done for contempt.


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    #382
    mike kelly
    Registered Users Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭mike kelly


    dvpower wrote: »
    I was thinking more of the Gardai being done for contempt.

    If the Gardai and Gaffney do a deal, I can't see the state investigating the gardai.

    After the Eric Leamy murder trail collapsed, it was the witnesses and not the accused who were charged.


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    #383
    znv6i3h7kqf9ys
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    dvpower wrote: »
    Its not his trial to drop. The state are bringing the case, not Gaffney.
    That's what I thought. Thanks for clearing that up.


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    #384
    senordingdong
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    Mr. Presentable wrote: »
    Yesterday's Court reports already show inconsistency between his evidence and what he reported to the Ombudsman in his complaint, but that could be explained perhaps by the passage of time.

    He just plum forgot!

    What about the student Gardaí that were testifying against the assualting Gardaí?
    Any update on their part?


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    #385
    Bosco boy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    mike kelly wrote: »
    Good question. Not sure if it is offically possible but an under the table deal could be worked out.

    If my other aunt had balls she'd be me other uncle! :D


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    #386
    mike kelly
    Registered Users Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭mike kelly


    Bosco boy wrote: »
    If my other aunt had balls she'd be me other uncle! :D

    Your aunt reminds me a bit of Joan Burton


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    #387
    mike kelly
    Registered Users Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭mike kelly


    senordingdong wrote: »
    He just plum forgot!

    What about the student Gardaí that were testifying against the assualting Gardaí?
    Any update on their part?

    the student Gardai are learning a lot more than they ever would in Templemore


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    #388
    steddyeddy
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    mike kelly wrote: »
    Yes, but without him there is no case.

    I dont see how they could continue being guards if they paid him compo (they would then be admitting at least some degree of guilt) and still serve as gaurds.


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    #389
    Bosco boy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    mike kelly wrote: »
    Your aunt reminds me a bit of Joan Burton

    shes me uncle now! :D


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    #390
    senordingdong
    Registered Users Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    Right, no.
    I don't think Gardaí can just pay off complainants to make their complaints go away.


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    #391
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    senordingdong wrote: »
    Right, no.
    I don't think Gardaí can just pay off complainants to make their complaints go away.

    Yea quite right, basically they would be admitting guilt but saying heres some money so were not found guilty. It wouldn't change the fact that they weren't worthy of their job.


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