Gardaí to stand trial in connection with alleged assault on teenager

dlofnep

Still waiting on a response from those who are in agreement with this beating on what the teenager did to warrant the beating.

Doctor DooM

Degsy wrote: »

I know my fair share about the "alternatives" and the fact is that the current upsurge in scumbaggery is a direct result of the peace process.
Make of that whatever you will.

Ah man, I lolled at this!

You are taking the piss, right?

Nodin

Degsy wrote: »

You're trying to sound like a solicitor or something now...the barstool legal expert!
..how do you know so much about the "facts" of this case?

More whining?

The broad facts as outlined don't concur with the generalised statement.

Degsy wrote: »

Apart,that is from googling the names of the guards(thats how I came up with the information that the bloke had assaulted a guard...remember when you said he hadnt actually done anything?)

Where did I say that?

Where did I say "well yeah,we shouldnt judge people by thier deeds except in the case of cops beating people up".

Degsy

SDooM wrote: »

Ah man, I lolled at this!

You are taking the piss, right?

Nope,but then you're much younger than me so i dont expect you'd be quite as knowledgeble.
And if you think the situation is or ever was LOLworthy,you've alot more growing up to do.

Latchy

Roberto Clever Vacuum wrote: »

I think that this is disgraceful. 4 Gardai should not have to stand trial for giving a person from a lower social ecconomic group an alleged hideing. It's just not right. The Gards should be able to do what ever they like.

Do whatever they like ? Including breaking the law

Nodin

Degsy wrote: »

Nope,but then you're much younger than me so i dont expect you'd be quite as knowledgeble.
And if you think the situation is or ever was LOLworthy,you've alot more growing up to do.

Why not cut out the personal jibes and answer the questions put to you?

Degsy

Nodin wrote: »

Why not cut out the personal jibes and answer the questions put to you?

The bloke assaulted a cop and the cops assaulted him right back.
It is my contention that he deserved it although the cops acted incorrectly.

Nodin

Degsy wrote: »

The bloke assaulted a cop .

Then why wasn't he arrested and charged?

Degsy wrote: »

and the cops assaulted him right back..

No, 24 hours after the incident occurred Nine (9) cops allegedly arrived, locked his oul wan in the kitchen and bate him around the place.


Where did I state "well yeah,we shouldnt judge people by thier deeds except in the case of cops beating people up". ? Thats the third time I've asked.

Doctor DooM

Degsy wrote: »

Nope,but then you're much younger than me so i dont expect you'd be quite as knowledgeble.
And if you think the situation is or ever was LOLworthy,you've alot more growing up to do.

I don't think the situation was lolworthy. I think the thought that someone genuinely thinks allowing paramiltary groups to increase their position as heads of organised crime to restrict the growth of other illegal groups is a good idea pretty lol worthy. It turns a tenable argument- that there should be less restrictions on Gardai and the use on physical violence- into an untenable one dude.

Furthermore, if I had a euro for everyone who said "i have in depth knowledge about the behind the scenes stuff in the troubles" on boards, and intimated they know 'Ra heads et al, I would have approx 156 euro. It's like those threads where people go on about how the were mugged but fought off 2-4 scumbags. If it happened as much as people said, there'd be no living muggers left in Ireland.

stephens770

SoupyNorman wrote: »

The fact anyone even leans towards questioning the guards using a heavy hand on the scum of the country
Are no better then that scum.

I’d say it is a great feeling to arrest a silky tracksuited scumbag. Sticking a good sharp knee in the back and a hand on the hand head to acquaint the lowlife with mr. pavement, makes you almost want to join the guards.

what about the business men,solicitors and bank managers that are the real ones ****ing up this country,with there money scams ****ing peoples lifes up,taking as much out of what there working at as they can leaving the people who cant afford it to suffer, oh no but there not lower class so wel just forget about it,you put up the upper class crimes to the lower ones put up fraud,scamming thousands,ruining peoples lifes to the car theft and petty theiving,assualt,little annoying things that do more than cost you a few quid and maybe have your head wrecked for a day or two,you ****ing ejits are riddled with a disease,IGNORENCE cant see the real problems ruining this ****hole just see the ones you want to,why because you probably got the **** kicked out of you one night for being the way you are by a bunch of 'scumbags' but the only way you can get back at them is this thread so you just say the things any thick fool that doesnt live in a council estate would say.

stephens770

soups05 wrote: »

has anyone even considered that the gardi may not have hit the kid and its just a bs complaint from someone looking to sue the state.

also how do you know the kid has not been charged? the case could be with the ddp

he didnt assualt a cop, he shouted abuse the cop couldnt take it,went to his house the day after with a few others and done what he done,its not the fact that the boy abuses gards then go crying when they assault him,its a game of whos gettin who next,and the scumbag got the last laugh on this one and a few quid aswell

Degsy

stephens770 wrote: »

he didnt assualt a cop, he shouted abuse the cop couldnt take it,went to his house the day after with a few others and done what he done,its not the fact that the boy abuses gards then go crying when they assault him,its a game of whos gettin who next,and the scumbag got the last laugh on this one and a few quid aswell

Thats assuming the cops are found guilty..my money says they wont be and propere order.

stephens770

TheZohan wrote: »

And do you honestly think that three squad cars of gardai would put their careers on the line by attacking someone?

They knew who/what they were dealing with and took no chances.

yes pretty much as there only there to give there tormentors a beating ,he shouted abuse at a gard the dirtbird couldnt take it so he went around assaulted him and got caught,the other gards must have said yes well back you up ,yea right does anyone here acctually know the **** gards give each other for not sticking up or defending another cop if he does wrong,all you upper class diseased with ignorence just cant understand your as bad as the gards,its not a scumbags fault there were lower class places made and everything not made equal for everyone in the first place,people always have to judge another because they have what they want and the other person doesnt.gards are the worst scumbags iv never been in trouble and my uncles a gard ,thats how i know.

stephens770

Degsy wrote: »

Thats assuming the cops are found guilty..my money says they wont be and propere order.

i dont want your money il just wait till it happens then reply he still got them shamed over the radio, i doubt they will walk it woudnt go this far gards get let off there and then if they are going to be,it wouldnt go this far if they werent,plus they got suspended aswell come on you should no by now innocent gards dont see the inside of a courtroom they got caught and have to face this one,and my posts arent sticking up for scumbags or gards,theres nothing like giving a gard or scumbag or even a junkie a nice kick in the teeth,refreshing

maxxie

stephens770 wrote: »

yes pretty much as there only there to give there tormentors a beating ,he shouted abuse at a gard the dirtbird couldnt take it so he went around assaulted him and got caught,the other gards must have said yes well back you up ,yea right does anyone here acctually know the **** gards give each other for not sticking up or defending another cop if he does wrong,all you upper class diseased with ignorence just cant understand your as bad as the gards,its not a scumbags fault there were lower class places made and everything not made equal for everyone in the first place,people always have to judge another because they have what they want and the other person doesnt.gards are the worst scumbags iv never been in trouble and my uncles a gard ,thats how i know.

stephens770 seems to me to be the only person here living in the real world!
Most people here are shockingly ignorant and full of small minded stereotypical views. I honestly do not dislike the guards. The way I look at it is, there is good and bad in all walks of life. But from what I gather off of them, when you are from Tallaght, you should not be allowed leave your area and when you do it is treated with suspicion. Ha funny really.

Week in week out the guards assault people, some deserve it some dont! In this case I cant see it going any further, not in this country anyway thats for sure!

stephens770

SDooM wrote: »

Perhaps if you answered it without resorting to pointless, rabble rousing rhetoric and making accusations, people would stop asking.

And "why where there so many gards there? Because he had to be evil" is not an answer, it is circular logic.

If for any reason- including a fight the night before that had not been dealt with appropriately through a legal system the Gardai was obviously ignoring, as you seem to think it is- it doesn't explain why so many Gardai showed up. the fact they all decided to give this guy a hiding doesn't mean that it was right to give him a hiding, it just means they decided to give him a hiding. Regardless of whether he is a toe rag or not.


TBH dude, Nodin is giving arguments, links, figures, and backing up his claims. You're just throwing out tired rhetoric.

i think degsy is a gaurd or one of the gaurds that got caught for this

Degsy

stephens770 wrote: »

i think degsy is a gaurd or one of the gaurds that got caught for this

Yes,i'm a guard.:rolleyes:

stephens770

Degsy wrote: »

Maybe he wanted to be a big man about it,maybe he decided to issue threats aginst the guard or his family,maybe he threatened to have him "blown away" or "cut up"..i'm speculating of course.
So maybe the guards said "Right,the courts cant bring him under control,lets see how he likes it if one of us challenges him to a straightener in his house"
I'm still speculating..
So anyway,the cops call round,the bloke starts mouthing off and a scuffle breaks out,suddenly mr mouthy hasnt got the heart for a fight so he starts bleating that he's being assaulted and the mother fights the corner.
Now,i've made all this up of course but if it did happen like that,its most certainly the bloke's fault and yes,the guards shouldve dealt with the matter through the proper channels but its only human to feel frustration occasionaly.

as if a gard would give a fair straitner,they play raided his house beat him up and got caught he was left in his house and not areested after it so your story is utter bull mate, get over your ignorence that its mostly so called GOOD people that are ****ing this country up and not the scumbags,

Nehaxak

EDit: actually on second thought I shouldn't give this information, find it yourself.

stephens770

dlofnep wrote: »

Still waiting on a response from those who are in agreement with this beating on what the teenager did to warrant the beating.

its obvious tho the lad was out drinking gave the gard some abuse and the gard gave him a beating seen it to many times before,most people from a council estate when ring the gards get told to sort it out themselves.how can someone know so much about a lower class estate when theyve never even lived nor even been in a lower class area,or even know someone from there.atleast live a week in an area like that then come on hear saying that.youd agree that the scumbags are out of order but the gards are even more,theres no choice but to hate them when the negative responses you get from them fair enough its probably from taking **** year after year,but youd think the gardai shiochana out of all people would have found a way to sort that out and stop this grudge against one another,for **** sake iv seen someone get off on a gun charge because the gards left the interview to eat there macaris,they left an inexperienced gard to do it and lost all hope of gaining evidence,they couldnt do there job without someone so called ratting/grassing atleast most places other than the city centre the gards have copped on and are actually sound,and this is coming from a scumbag from tallaght as i would be called by most

Nodin

stephens770 wrote: »

as if a gard would give a fair straitner,they play raided his house beat him up and got caught he was left in his house and not areested after it so your story is utter bull mate, get over your ignorence that its mostly so called GOOD people that are ****ing this country up and not the scumbags,

If you read the thread, you'd note that "Degsy" has offered virtually nothing to back his case and has been comprehensively 'pwned'. He's not worth getting worked up about.

Degsy

Nodin wrote: »

If you read the thread, you'd note that "Degsy" has offered virtually nothing to back his case and has been comprehensively 'pwned'. He's not worth getting worked up about.

At long last you've found somebody who doesnt agree with me.
Very quiet the last few days when nobody was taking your side werent you?
Pwned indeed...

Nodin

Degsy wrote: »

At (....)deed...

Theres a number that don't agree with you. Your accusation that I was 'quiet' when nobody was taking my side is rather amusing, at it implies they exist. You contradict yourself.

No posts were made between 15th may and today. As it was, I felt I'd said everything nessecary.

stephens770

Degsy wrote: »

So you have a 16 year old with 33 convictions,33 victims have been failed by the courts.
Maybe the victims should decide..?

well 33 victims failed is the judges fault not the 16 yo,more victims would be hurt aswell if that was the case it would be to easy to manupulate someone into dropping the charges and a beating off gards isnt all that its made out to be its just theres more than 5 there when there doing it.

Degsy

Nodin wrote: »

No posts were made between 15th may and today. As it was, I felt I'd said everything nessecary.

So what are you doing now,if you've said your piece?

Trolling or...

javaboy

Nodin and Degsy, please play the ball and not the man.

stephens770

there where messages on all the gards phones that took part in the hiding which stated that they acted incorrectly and had planned the attack knowing they where in the wrong,jesus why cant people just accept the fact a scumbag got mouthy took a hiding and got the gards suspended and taken to court,there guilty the evidente is there theres proof theyd planned it it had said in messages that the scumbag wasnt going to get away with what he said ,how does nobody here know that!nearly every comment on here is trying to argue with the evidence that they done it and why the lad said he got the hiding but realy didnt,the evidence is ther but theres none that the lad had been in the wrong,i suppose thats what keeps this thread going tho

Nodin

stephens770 wrote: »

there where (.....)thread going tho

That's what they're accussed of, but they aren't convicted as of yet.

(Also clearly delineated sentences with full stops and the addition of paragraphs would make your point easier to read...no offence intended.)

Degsy

Nodin wrote: »

That's what they're accussed

SoupyNorman

stephens770 wrote: »

what about the business men,solicitors and bank managers that are the real ones ****ing up this country,with there money scams ****ing peoples lifes up,taking as much out of what there working at as they can leaving the people who cant afford it to suffer, oh no but there not lower class so wel just forget about it,you put up the upper class crimes to the lower ones put up fraud,scamming thousands,ruining peoples lifes to the car theft and petty theiving,assualt,little annoying things that do more than cost you a few quid and maybe have your head wrecked for a day or two,you ****ing ejits are riddled with a disease,IGNORENCE cant see the real problems ruining this ****hole just see the ones you want to,why because you probably got the **** kicked out of you one night for being the way you are by a bunch of 'scumbags' but

My my, you say ***k more then Michael jackass.

Its a very immature post really, you dont even address the issue at hand. You've gone off on some bankers and lawyers have ruined this country tangent...whether thats true of not its not (as you would say) '***king relevant'

stephens770 wrote: »

the only way you can get back at them is this thread so you just say the things any thick fool that doesnt live in a council estate would say.

I dont really appreciate this piece of unprovoked unpleasantness.