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What happens to other religious people come Judgement day ?

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  • #52
    wolfsbane
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    Bduffman wrote: »
    Huh? I didn't even know what messianic jews were until PDN mentioned them as non-christians who accept him as christ. (Even though I would have thought that would make them christian).
    I'm sure PDN meant that they did not use the term 'Christian' to describe themselves, but they are Christians nonetheless.

    The name Christian is one that came to be used of the followers of Jesus Christ. One could just as validly call them Jesusites, Messianics, Nazerenes, etc. So some Christian Jews decided to use the term 'Messianic Jew', to avoid the historical baggage 'Christian' has for many Jews.


  • #53
    wolfsbane
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    Cake Man wrote: »
    Sorry if I'm going back to basics but what is the main difference between the New Testament and the old Testament in a few words?
    Promise -> Fulfilment.


  • #54
    DublinWriter
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    monosharp wrote: »
    So where are Buddhists going ?
    Where ever we damn well please!*

    (*Karmic terms and conditions apply. The value of your Dharma may go up as well as down)


  • #55
    wolfsbane
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    monosharp said:
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wolfsbane
    Hell. Since they don't really believe in the God of the OT, otherwise they would believe in His Son Jesus:
    Last time I checked Jews didn't read the NT. Its still the same God. They are just getting some of the facts different to you.
    Correct. They think they can be justified by their works, that they can fulfil the commandments. Paul identifies their problem:
    Romans 10:2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
    5 For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.”
    Quote:
    Well, Allah is not the same God, but even if He were, Muslims would be in the same position as the Jews: unless they believe in Jesus Christ, they are lost.
    Allah is not the same God ?

    We're talking about Abraham's God right ?
    Well, the Muslim god is claimed to be Abraham's God, but he is not the One who is in eternal union with God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. So he is a different god.

    But I suppose we could say he is the same God, and the Muslims have misrepresented what He said and did.
    And you completely ignored my point. Muslims DO believe in Jesus Christ, they just don't believe he was the son of God, they believe he was a prophet.
    The Jesus who is not the Son of God is not the Jesus of the NT. If I believe in a monosharp who is an Evangelical Christian and a creationist, can it really be said I believe in you?
    Quote:
    So? Since when does believing in a lie count as much as believing in the truth?
    When theres no logical difference whatsoever between what some people consider the truth and what others consider a lie.
    Well, they are both beliefs, I grant you that. Let me suggest that belief in the truth is objectively more beneficial than belief in a lie - no matter how sincerely own holds the latter.


  • #56
    monosharp
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    wolfsbane wrote: »
    monosharp said:
    Correct. They think they can be justified by their works, that they can fulfil the commandments. Paul identifies their problem:

    And I'm sure some of their writers have identified Christians problems.

    Doesn't make 1 right and the other wrong.
    Well, the Muslim god is claimed to be Abraham's God, but he is not the One who is in eternal union with God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. So he is a different god.

    In your definition. Who are you to 'know' God ?
    But I suppose we could say he is the same God, and the Muslims have misrepresented what He said and did.

    Thats what they say about you.
    The Jesus who is not the Son of God is not the Jesus of the NT. If I believe in a monosharp who is an Evangelical Christian and a creationist, can it really be said I believe in you?

    How do you know ? Muslims have scriptures about Jesus which contradicts yours. Maybe yours are wrong ?


  • #57
    wolfsbane
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    monosharp said:
    Originally Posted by wolfsbane
    Correct. They think they can be justified by their works, that they can fulfil the commandments. Paul identifies their problem:
    And I'm sure some of their writers have identified Christians problems.

    Doesn't make 1 right and the other wrong.
    True. But I was pointing out (one of) the essential differences between Judaism and Christianity.
    Quote:
    Well, the Muslim god is claimed to be Abraham's God, but he is not the One who is in eternal union with God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. So he is a different god.
    In your definition. Who are you to 'know' God ?
    Anyone can know the difference between Allah and God - if they can read. Doesn't need any faith, just a basic ability in English comprehension (or whatever language they read the Bible and Koran in).
    Quote:
    But I suppose we could say he is the same God, and the Muslims have misrepresented what He said and did.
    Thats what they say about you.
    Certainly. But one of us is mistaken. It cannot be that both correctly represent the same deity. That's my point.
    Quote:
    The Jesus who is not the Son of God is not the Jesus of the NT. If I believe in a monosharp who is an Evangelical Christian and a creationist, can it really be said I believe in you?
    How do you know ? Muslims have scriptures about Jesus which contradicts yours. Maybe yours are wrong ?
    Again, that was not the point under discussion. It was whether Muslims and Christians correctly worshipped the same God.

    But since you ask, I know because God the Holy Spirit convinced me of the truth of the Bible.


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