United/Liverpool team-Inspired by Motd2

Mr Alan

got a bit of a chuckle on MOTD2 when the lads on the couch reckoned Liverpool would only have 2/3 players in Utds first 11 if they could choose.

Opted for this formation as its the one both teams use & its the formation that most suits Gerrard, who is obviously too good to leave out imo.

Personally I'd go with....

========Reina========
Arbeloa=Vidic==Rio===Evra
====Alonso=Masch======
Ronaldo==Gerrard==Rooney
========Torres========

Wat do people reckon?

Think Rooney out of position is a nescessity, i think the lack of a genuine world class player on the left means he'd have to be there & i think he can be excellent out there.

It could also morph into 4-4-2, with Gerrard on the right & Ronaldo on the left.

(note;if people wanna piss & moan about usual Liverpool/Utd crap, just don't post in the thread, its something that should be able to be discussed without descending into ****e troll attempts or arguments)

Headshot

this will end in tears but what team did Motd2 have?

mayordenis

not 100% sure about Arbeloa or Rio.

mayordenis

Headshot wrote: »

this will end in tears but what team did Motd2 have?

Van der sar
O' Shea
Rio
Vidic
Evra

Carrick
Fletcher
Ronaldo
Rooney
Gerrard

Torres

Mr Alan

motd 2 had all Utd except Gerrard & Torres.

mayordenis

can we all promise here and now to be reasonable and accept people will have differing opinions? :pac:

yahoo_moe

I'd have Wes Brown in ahead of Arbeloa - otherwise, I think you're pretty much spot on.

Not a huge amount between keepers for me either, but I'd take Reina ahead of VDS.

So mine would be a 6-5 split in favour of United, which is about right I'd say. If it had to extend to a squad, I'd probably be choosing more Utd players though, which says a lot.

EDIT: I might even choose Carragher at RB either, but it's a while since I saw him play there so not 100%.

OPENROAD

Mr Alan wrote: »

motd 2 had all Utd except Gerrard & Torres.

About right imo

CHD

Putting VDS and Fletcher in is lol.

Headshot

mayordenis wrote: »

Van der sar
O' Shea
Rio
Vidic
Evra

Carrick
Fletcher
Ronaldo
Rooney
Gerrard

Torres

thats not too bad,carrick on form is up there with alonso,masch should be in there, the goalie well both can make mistakes somtimes so thats a hard choice
pepe is a great shot stopper but vds is a brilliant kicker
could we make a hybrid

Headshot

alan id put oshea ahead of Arbeloa tbf

mayordenis

Well for me Reina is the best keeper in the league, but that's just me.
I honestly think kicking is about the worst facets of VDS's game.

Mr Alan

Reinas distribution is among his best qualities, he has a few assists iirc. VDS kicking is quite poor is it not?

Happy Monday

I'd have Alonso, Mascherano, Torres and Gerrard in the first 11.
Cases could also be made for Reina and Carragher.
I mean we did beat Utd home and away this season after all!

Royale with Cheese

Mr Alan wrote: »

========Reina========
Arbeloa=Vidic==Rio===Evra
====Alonso=Masch======
Ronaldo==Gerrard==Rooney
========Torres========

Yeah I think I'd go with that. Only questionable one is Arbeloa, but neither team has a very solid right back at the moment.

Reina over VDS every day of the week.

mayordenis

Happy Monday wrote: »

I'd have Alonso, Mascherano, Torres and Gerrard in the first 11.
Cases could also be made for Reina and Carragher.
I mean we did bet Utd home and away this season after all!

god dam is use the :pac: emote - it's stops this turning into a massiva flame war.

Frisbee

========Reina========
Brown=Vidic==Rio===Evra
====Alonso=Masch======
Ronaldo==Gerrard==Rooney
========Torres========

Headshot

mayordenis wrote: »

Well for me Reina is the best keeper in the league, but that's just me.
I honestly think kicking is about the worst facets of VDS's game.

Mr Alan wrote: »

Reinas distribution is among his best qualities, he has a few assists iirc. VDS kicking is quite poor is it not?

ye think so

jesus i think he's a right good kicker

and i also think he manages the back line superbly
he did make a record for not conceding goals

Jazzy

motd had-

========VDS========
O' Shea=Vidic==Rio===Evra
====Carrick=Fletcher======
Ronaldo==Gerrard==Rooney
========Torres========



carrick / alonso is a difficult one. id probably go with alonso if not only just to annoy english pundits.
mascherano is a better player then darren fletcher
gerrard, torres, rooney & ronaldo are ok there
vidic, rio & evra work well so i wouldnt bother changing that
o' shea versus arbeloa... hmmm... arbeloa for me but neither of them are special. rafael twin guy (forget his second name atm ) might be better in the future but not right now
Reina is a better keeper then old man van der sar


you have to remember that the team was made by martin keown and lee dixon who are poor pundits at best.
id like to see wat andy gray would put together, or graeme souness. even giles would put an interesting one up.
while dunphy would have ronaldo on the bench........

mayordenis

Headshot wrote: »

ye think so

jesus i think he's a right good kicker

and i also think he manages the back line superbly

that's fair enough, I always look at him looking for mistakes the same way some pool fans look for lucas errors etc. you find what you want to find.

Paul Tergat

Happy Monday wrote: »

Cases could also be made for Reina and Carragher.
I mean we did beat Utd home and away this season after all!

lol @ carra - ahead of rio or vidic? even at rb i dont think he'd get in the team.



I'd be going for the team that Al posted in the OP id say apart from probably Arbeloa.

Can't imagine this thread lasting too long though the way some people go in here.

Chardee MacDennis

lol at people not appreciating arbeloa...

Headshot

mayordenis wrote: »

that's fair enough, I always look at him looking for mistakes the same way some pool fans look for lucas errors etc. you find what you want to find.

if i was being critical of vds,I would say

he's dodgy at crosses ie punches the ball instead of catching it ,not good a saving peno's imo

I remember the last season CL final and he shouldve save at least 2 that went in

mayordenis

Nobody even has a word for Agger here?
I don't think it's a definate thing or anything but I think rio has seen better days the rough and tumble of Vidic plus the attack from the back of Agger could be interesting.

bUILDERtHEbOB

Frisbee wrote: »

========Reina========
Brown=Vidic==Rio===Evra
====Alonso=Masch======
Ronaldo==Gerrard==Rooney
========Torres========

This.

DSB

Mr Alan wrote: »

got a bit of a chuckle on MOTD2 when the lads on the couch reckoned Liverpool would only have 2/3 players in Utds first 11 if they could choose.

Opted for this formation as its the one both teams use & its the formation that most suits Gerrard, who is obviously too good to leave out imo.

Personally I'd go with....

========Reina========
Arbeloa=Vidic==Rio===Evra
====Alonso=Masch======
Ronaldo==Gerrard==Rooney
========Torres========

Wat do people reckon?

Think Rooney out of position is a nescessity, i think the lack of a genuine world class player on the left means he'd have to be there & i think he can be excellent out there.

It could also morph into 4-4-2, with Gerrard on the right & Ronaldo on the left.

(note;if people wanna piss & moan about usual Liverpool/Utd crap, just don't post in the thread, its something that should be able to be discussed without descending into ****e troll attempts or arguments)

I'd agree with your team to be honest except I'd probably give Anderson the nod ahead of Alonso.

Headshot

tbh

the backline belongs to utd after that ill think about it

DSB

mayordenis wrote: »

Nobody even has a word for Agger here?
I don't think it's a definate thing or anything but I think rio has seen better days the rough and tumble of Vidic plus the attack from the back of Agger could be interesting.

Nah Agger isn't of the same class as Rio. Quality player though.

Guy:Incognito

Headshot wrote: »

thats not too bad,carrick on form is up there with alonso,

See theres the problem. Lots of playrs could be as good as a better player on their day. Over a season its Alonso all the way.No doubt for me.

Headshot wrote: »

and i also think he manages the back line superbly
he did make a record for not conceding goals

That was more to do with the rest of the team than VDS to be fair. He only made 4 or 5 saves in that whole run.

Paul Tergat

mayordenis wrote: »

Nobody even has a word for Agger here?
I don't think it's a definate thing or anything but I think rio has seen better days the rough and tumble of Vidic plus the attack from the back of Agger could be interesting.

WHAT? it's only niggling injuries - this can be only what you are referring surely?

mayordenis

yep DSB and larkin your probably both right,
the injuries have taken away from him though it has to be said,
But i just have a hardon for agger

Frisbee

Frisbee wrote: »

========Reina========
Brown=Vidic==Rio===Evra
====Alonso=Masch======
Ronaldo==Gerrard==Rooney
========Torres========

+1

Brown and Arbeloa are much of a muchness.
The MOTD2 team was a joke.

Can you imagine the damage that team would do to a team.
This why we should have a premiership 11 v la liga 11 at the end of every year

Headshot

can i just say this is going well

lets see how long we can keep it up for

but im off now

looking forward to reading it tomorrow

Paul Tergat

mayordenis wrote: »

yep DSB and larkin your probably both right,
the injuries have taken away from him though it has to be said,
But i just have a hardon for agger

whatever floats your boat mate :pac:


I do like the ball playing centre backs but I love watching CB's like Vida who just dominate a defence. He would do it through just being a rock whereas Rio will do it in classy more finesse like way. I assume Pool will be looking to the same long term from Agger/Skrtel.

eZe^

Happy Monday wrote: »

I mean we did beat Utd home and away this season after all!

You are also going to end the season trophyless, in comparison to Utd who already have 3... So it's pointless really...


I'd go with;

---

Reina

---

---O'Shea

---

Vidic

---

Rio

---

Evra

---

---

Mascherano

---

---

Carrick

---

Gerrard

---

----Ronaldo

---

Torres

---

Rooney----


Tasty team, nicely balanced, Gerrard's goals/ leadership/ driver would make up for the fact that he doesn't really have the best dominance or reading of the game like the Pirlo's of the world...

IvySlayer

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Reina

---

---Brown

---

Vidic

---

Rio

---

Evra

---

---

Alonso----Carrick

---

Ronaldo

---

Gerrard

---

Rooney

---

Torres

---

eagle eye

Oh my Liverpool/United team, lmfao. Really getting exclusive now. Lets do Barca/Real next and then the two Milans.

Guy:Incognito

IvySlayer wrote: »

BROWN - RIO - VIDIC - EVRA - best defence in the league

Apart from Chelsea of course who conceded less.

Everyone is lauding Utd's defence as being streets ahead of everyone, but Chelsea have conceded 2 less and Liverpool have only conceded 2 more, which included a 4-4 draw with Asrenal that we could go another 50 years and not see again.

I just dont think it's as invincible as people think. Which is why theres a perfectly good case for a bit of a mix with Liverpool.

Paul Tergat

EZE why carrick over alonso. I think that theyre main function in the team would be due to their passing. For me, Alonso's passing is greater than carricks, both when theyre at peak and consistently. Alonso probably best passer in the league (although I would never discount Scholesy)

mayordenis

eagle eye wrote: »

Oh my Liverpool/United team, lmfao. Really getting exclusive now. Lets do Barca/Real next and then the two Milans.

look it was just a thing that's on match of the day not meant to be a slight on the other 8 teams in the league - seriously nothing meant here by this.
get onto the bbc if you have beef.

Dave!

Mr Alan wrote: »

Reinas distribution is among his best qualities, he has a few assists iirc. VDS kicking is quite poor is it not?

In fairness that's just from going route one tbh

I'd agree with the team in the OP anyways

I'd have Reina ahead of VDS nowadays

p_larkin99

p_larkin99 wrote: »

EZE why carrick over alonso. I think that theyre main function in the team would be due to their passing abilities. For me, Alonso's passing is greater than carricks, both when theyre at peak and consistently. Alonso probably best passer in the league (although I would never discount Scholesy)

+1

Carrick is a good player but Alonso is the best midfielder in England by a mile this year.

Mr.Nice Guy

eZe^ wrote: »

You are also going to end the season trophyless, in comparison to Utd who already have 3... So it's pointless really...


I'd go with;

---

Reina

---

---O'Shea

---

Vidic

---

Rio

---

Evra

---

---

Mascherano

---

---

Carrick

---

Gerrard

---

----Ronaldo

---

Torres

---

Rooney----


Tasty team, nicely balanced, Gerrard's goals/ leadership/ driver would make up for the fact that he doesn't really have the best dominance or reading of the game like the Pirlo's of the world...

I like this team the best although personally I'd take Van Der Sar over Reina.

eZe^

eagle eye wrote: »

Oh my Liverpool/United team, lmfao. Really getting exclusive now. Lets do Barca/Real next and then the two Milans.

Sure...

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Casillas

---

----Alves

---

Pique

---

Puyol

---

Ramos--

---

Toure

---

---

Iniesta

---

Xavi

---

---

Messi

---

Henry

---

Higuain----

---

Cesar

---

---Maicon

---

Chivu

---

Samuel

---

Janko----

---

Cambiasso

---

---

Stankovic

---

Pirlo

---

---

Kaka

---

---

Pato

---

Ibrahimovic

---

Guy:Incognito

Dave! wrote: »

In fairness that's just from going route one tbh

Hoofing a ball vaguely up the pitch is very different from him looking up, seeing a player making a run an planting it on him.

K-9

mayordenis wrote: »

Van der sar
O' Shea
Rio
Vidic
Evra

Carrick
Fletcher
Ronaldo
Rooney
Gerrard

Torres

Frisbee wrote: »

========Reina========
Brown=Vidic==Rio===Evra
====Alonso=Masch======
Ronaldo==Gerrard==Rooney
========Torres========

Looking at those 2 teams, I don't see why Carrick and Fletcher would be better.

Seems everybody is agreed on the front 4 except Kuyt!

Was thinking Vidic would be dodgy but then it was Nando who tore him apart, so have to go easy there.

PS: Reina for No.1

Guy:Incognito

K-9 wrote: »

Seems everybody is agreed on the front 4 except Kuyt!

Yep. If the better defensive record means the back 4 is O'Shea Vidic Ferdinand and Evra, the surely the front 4 should be Kuyt, Gerrard, Torres and Riera, no?:)

Mr Alan

Kuyt, despite having an amazing season, suffers the misfortune of having Ronaldo ahead of him in the pecking order, whatever people think about his as a person, leaving him out would be moronic.

LOL at the person who picked Anderson ahead of Alonso

K-9

eZe^ wrote: »

You are also going to end the season trophyless, in comparison to Utd who already have 3... So it's pointless really...


I'd go with;

---

Reina

---

---O'Shea

---

Vidic

---

Rio

---

Evra

---

---

Mascherano

---

---

Carrick

---

Gerrard

---

----Ronaldo

---

Torres

---

Rooney----


Tasty team, nicely balanced, Gerrard's goals/ leadership/ driver would make up for the fact that he doesn't really have the best dominance or reading of the game like the Pirlo's of the world...

Like that, but Alonso instead of Carrick?

Ruskie4Rent

---

Reina

---

Arbeloa--Rio--Vidic--Evra

---

Carrick--Alonso

---

Ronaldo--Gerrard--Rooney

---

Torres

---

I'm not sure about arbeloa. Maybe J'OS, but more out of shock that he was so consistent when we needed him to be.
Rafael rarely put a foot wrong either, had he been in the side more i might've chosen him.

No mascherano because i don't think he's been too impressive this year. He probably would just edge it over Anderson, if only for ando's poor start to the season....doesn't matter either way 'cause carrick and alonso would be my dream pairing.

Everyone else picks themselves IMO.

jenno86

========Reina========
Carra=Vidic==Rio===Evra==
====Alonso=Masch======
Ronaldo==Gerrard==Rooney
========Torres========