Your Views On The BNP

conchubhar1

Degsy wrote: »

Extrem extrem gibberish :rolleyes:

this dude makes some seriously good points - this thread needs this

:rolleyes:

Fratton Fred

conchubhar1 wrote: »

no its ironic, in the ironic sense of the word - ironicly

i think it was tommy tiernan that joked about that, they went over colonised places and then complained when they followed them home after making a fuss of making them british citizens and part of the empire

so when did Ireland invade China?

when did the US invade India, or Germany invade Turkey?

asdasd

The invasion is working the other way, FF.

conchubhar1

did i mention those countries?

i thought it was simple eneough for a child to grasp the fact i was talking about indians and places they did invade

us as most countries allows immigration - and the german point if they werent allies they would have done it in the 40's

asdasd

Yes exactly, I'm saying such groupings are makey uppy nonsense that bear little relation to reality beyond the fact that apes are inclined to fall for that type of thing.

Fall for what, exactly? Who is telling them these lies? Why would Apes believe they are Serbian when the State tells them they are Yugoslavian.

BTW did we ever discover whether it was racist for aboriginals to believe they are the original people of Australia, or native Americans to want reservations ( based on ethnicity - i.e. you have to be at least one quarter Native America), or Palestinians to want a State of their own.

Or is it just the yurups who can be racist?

Fratton Fred

conchubhar1 wrote: »

did i mention those countries?

i thought it was simple eneough for a child to grasp the fact i was talking about indians and places they did invade

us as most countries allows immigration - and the german point if they werent allies they would have done it in the 40's

I hear this sort of **** from the Irish quite regulalry, "If you didn't want all those immigrants then you shouldn't have gone colonising the world". Fine, remind me to give my great great great grandfather a bollocking next time I see him:D

90% of immigration has very little to do with past colonialism, it has more to do with economics. True, a lot of caribeans were offered new lives in Britain in a post colonial plea for help, but the majority of Indians, Pakistanis etc are in the UK for economic reasons, not colonial. Look at how many migrated to the US, Holland, Australia etc.

The only reason Ireland hasn't seen large immigration is because the economy was in bits up until quite recently, as soon as it picked up so did immigration.

It is a fact of life these days, the world is getting smaller and as it does, migration is increasing. These political parties trying to stop it may as well be pissing in the wind tbh.

asdasd

These political parties trying to stop it may as well be pissing in the wind tbh.

Oh, I dunno. Tell that to a Hungarian dentist who wants to work in Ireland, a Dutch MP who wants to talk in the UK, or a Pole who wants to work in Germany.

States can easily control borders, they do when it is in the interests of certain sectors of society, but not others.

Fratton Fred

asdasd wrote: »

Oh, I dunno. Tell that to a Hungarian dentist who wants to work in Ireland, a Dutch MP who wants to talk in the UK, or a Pole who wants to work in Germany.

States can easily control borders, they do when it is in the interests of certain sectors of society, but not others.

for starters that particular Dutch MP can go take a running jump:D

Countries can control borders, but nowhere near as much as they did 20 or 30 years ago. The world is changing.

MikeC101

I think parties and movements like this would be a lot more dangerous if it wasn't for their tendency to self combust when given enough oxygen.

Has anyone ever followed a thread on Stormfront where they start off as (relatively) measured and reasonable and then, given enough time, explode into rants about the Jews controlling the media and interracial relationships are wrong and romanian gypsies ate their neighbours babies etc etc...

It's exactly why they should be allowed express their naseauting views in public, hold rallies, and attend debates. Silencing them only makes them more dangerous. Hold them up to the light and let them show themselves off for the narrow minded bigots they are and people won't vote for them in any great numbers.

They're a sterling example of giving someone enough rope, and allowing them to hang themselves.

markopantelic

Hahaha yeah I actually have. The Irish board one is very funny, I'd say 80% of them are just having a laugh tbh, oh and god I hate those 'cheers emotiicons' thingys.

RaverRo808

MikeC101 wrote: »

I think parties and movements like this would be a lot more dangerous if it wasn't for their tendency to self combust when given enough oxygen.

Has anyone ever followed a thread on Stormfront where they start off as (relatively) measured and reasonable and then, given enough time, explode into rants about the Jews controlling the media and interracial relationships are wrong and romanian gypsies ate their neighbours babies etc etc...

It's exactly why they should be allowed express their naseauting views in public, hold rallies, and attend debates. Silencing them only makes them more dangerous. Hold them up to the light and let them show themselves off for the narrow minded bigots they are and people won't vote for them in any great numbers.

They're a sterling example of giving someone enough rope, and allowing them to hang themselves.

I have an account on that,not because I agree with their views but just to take the mikey out of them and try and talk sense to them,some of the stuff they come out with is pure comedy,such as Phil Lynott of Thin Lizzy was just a tool of black power groups to use his influence to pregnate Irish women,lol

conchubhar1

RaverRo808 wrote: »

such as Phil Lynott of Thin Lizzy was just a tool of black power groups to just his influence to pregnate Irish women,lol

why isnt there a ''i shat myself with laughter emoticon''?

RaverRo808

conchubhar1 wrote: »

why isnt there a ''i shat myself with laughter emoticon''?

Dead serious,and they had an organised a white pride at a beach someone in the country,and it was a to be a glorious celebration of the white race in Ireland and accross Europe,with music,food,drink and special guests,when the pictures of this 'event' were posted it was four fat guys with shaved heads sitting on a beach in Portrane,with bottles of beer and a ghetto blaster

markopantelic

oh jesus LMAO. that is ****ing hilarious.

i seen their pictures from their little gathering up the dublin mountains, i'm gonna have a bit of adventure and try infiltrate one of them some time, or spy on them, get a paintball gun and absolutely blast the ***** out of it. hahah

O'Coonassa

asdasd wrote: »

Fall for what, exactly? Who is telling them these lies? Why would Apes believe they are Serbian when the State tells them they are Yugoslavian.

How long did that little Yugoslav experiment last? Not even four generations. If the lie had been enforced for even nine or ten generations it would have been accepted I'm fairly certain.

asdasd wrote: »

BTW did we ever discover whether it was racist for aboriginals to believe they are the original people of Australia, or native Americans to want reservations ( based on ethnicity - i.e. you have to be at least one quarter Native America), or Palestinians to want a State of their own.

Or is it just the yurups who can be racist?

So you're saying that despite 8,000 years of so-called civilisation we should strive to be no more culturally evolved than a stone age hunter gatherer? At least those ethnicities hold largely true to an actual tribal genetic reality unlike the ones invented by post-Enlightenment Europeans or imposed by them on the Africans etc. Incidentally the Aboriginals are the original peoples to settle Oz, that's pretty much what the name means.

The Palestinian Arabs not wanting hordes of colonists to come and lord it over them is where that identity has been forged from. It is a reaction to a very extreme form of Zionist nationalism. 200 years ago it did not exist at all.

RaverRo808

O'Coonassa wrote: »

How long did that little Yugoslav experiment last? Not even four generations. If the lie had been enforced for even nine or ten generations it would have been accepted I'm fairly certain.



So you're saying that despite 8,000 years of so-called civilisation we should strive to be no more culturally evolved than a stone age hunter gatherer? At least those ethnicities hold largely true to an actual tribal genetic reality unlike the ones invented by post-Enlightenment Europeans or imposed by them on the Africans etc. Incidentally the Aboriginals are the original peoples to settle Oz, that's pretty much what the name means.

The Palestinian Arabs not wanting hordes of colonists to come and lord it over them is where that identity has been forged from. It is a reaction to a very extreme form of Zionist nationalism. 200 years ago it did not exist at all.

Look will ever just go to your cave and draw on the wall with a rock!!! lol

markopantelic

I lol'd. But some things I do agree with O'Coonassa about

O'Coonassa

RaverRo808 wrote: »

Look will ever just go to your cave and draw on the wall with a rock!!! lol

http://www.southdacola.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/darwin_as_monkey.gif

RaverRo808

O'Coonassa wrote: »

http://www.southdacola.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/darwin_as_monkey.gif

OH JAYSUS,lighten up man

asdasd

If the lie had been enforced for even nine or ten generations it would have been accepted I'm fairly certain.

Thats possibly true but only if the populations intermarried enough. But thats a biological process not a cultural one.

O'Coonassa

RaverRo808 wrote: »

OH JAYSUS,lighten up man

Funny cartoon of Darwin is funny. The apes don't like being called apes. 150 years later on and they still can't accept the truth and deal with it.

BNP and nationalism isn't funny though.

RaverRo808

O'Coonassa wrote: »

Funny cartoon of Darwin is funny. The apes don't like being called apes. 150 years later on and they still can't accept the truth and deal with it.

BNP and nationalism isn't funny though.

Im in agreement with you there

conchubhar1

O'Coonassa wrote: »

Funny cartoon of Darwin is funny. The apes don't like being called apes. 150 years later on and they still can't accept the truth and deal with it.

BNP and nationalism isn't funny though.

who are you referring to?

O'Coonassa

conchubhar1 wrote: »

who are you referring to?

http://astralpilgrim.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/444px-neanderthal_2d.jpg

conchubhar1

''apes dont like being called apes'' link to a neanderthal

sense

AlmightyCushion

conchubhar1 wrote: »

qoute those messges and show where
i sing about the saxons

otherwise shut up, your a troll or just a bit slow

Does anyone else find it humorous that he is calling another person slow despite his grammar and spelling?

Anywho, banned for abuse.

OPENROAD

BigEejit wrote: »

From my experience the BNP get most councillors in seats (like Barking and Dagenham) where there is highish enemployment and a large number of foreign nationals have settled (9.1% of kids in school on average are white in Barking council http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/index.php?link=template&story=166). They go after those seats and their modus operandi seems to be that they do most of their canvassing in council estates.
How do I know that? I lived in east Greenwich and you always saw them in the council estate on Blackwall Lane and over in Woolwich. They never once doorstepped me 150 yards away. Near elections you would see the BNP posters in windows all over the council flats.

But as I said and the figures back up they have very little support,in certain areasi.e. particuar hosuing estates, they may well do but you will always get that, but compared to other European countries they have made very little inroads.

My initial point was regarding the total number of votes they had received at the last council and general elections, the figures do not equate to the unemplyment rate, someone appeared to be suggesting they would get nearly 2 million votes( i may have taken poster up wrong), this is nowhere near the mark.

PrivateEye

I never bump threads that have fallen down a page or two, but I've been away a few days and have been reading through this thread for the last while and think some responses are needed. Warning that long-post is long, so unless you've a keen interest its back to the AH frontpage I suppose :pac:

Agreed, the Shinners have an interest in encouraging immigration, but when you get talking to their voters it isn't really these policies that attract them it's the Nationalism. In fact many of their voter base are fairly rabidly right wing reactionaries in favour of vigilantism of the type practiced by the brownshirts and blackshirts.

Obviously this is no doubt true about a (I feel very small) element of their support. I have to stress that while on the left I don't engage in parlimentary stuff so therefore I don't have any loyalty to Sinn Féin or any party, but one has to remember Sinn Féin and the Provisionals essentially called for a 32 County Socialist Republic during 'the struggle' and enjoyed some degree of popular support in pockets of Ulster. They've always had a presence in anti-deporation style stuff and this is obvious from their manifestos and so on, they're fairly consistent on it. I don't think 'the right wing' vote Sinn Féin, but I think plenty of conservative types do either as a 'protest vote' or a Mise Éire type vote, over-looking their social policy. Anyone who would be even fairly right-wing is probably disgusted by Sinn Féin.

isent this about the BNP ? have any of you met one ?

Anti-Fascists in the U.K have met plenty of them, yes. In fact they've also noticed that some of the same faces that can be seen at fascist events can put on a nice-suit and knock on front-doors looking for votes in the blink of an eye. If you 'meet one', you could meet daytime canvasser Joe Bloggs or nighttime open fascist Joe Bloggs.

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00645/SNN1019B-682_645281a.jpg

Nick Griffin, BNP leader, with his friend Zoltan. Zoltan runs an anti-semitic website online and is part of a 'movement' that parade around in silly uniforms to pretend its the early 1940s.

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They stand up for the British working class, how is that anyway right wing?

Nope. They divide it.

In many areas their cllrs. have attendance rates as low as 23%, yet claim their entire council pay. These same political parasites have the cheek to talk about attacks on the 'working class'- they don't belong to it, they belong to the political class. I think the Russel Brand documentary on the leader of the Young BNP got this one perfectly- when he asked "a working class bloke" how he felt about foreigners in his community, the fella was angry AT THE BNP for their 'political tourism'- i.e coming into a town where real genuine working class people of different races are getting on fine, and trying to stir it up. Their interests are in dividing the working class in Britian.

There are over 400,000 Irish unemployed now. In 2008, 90% of all new jobs went to immigrants. Can anyone see the logic to this?

I understand why you're angry, I have to state that. I don't agree, but I can see reasons the anger is there. Remember but that at most a tenth of the population of the island are foreign, it's highly unlikely 90% of new jobs went to them. Along with that, in relation to drawing the comparision with British imperialism in Ireland.....

That's (in my view) a class issue. True, the British state basically committed genocide by allowing a people to starve, but is that the same as people migrating to Ireland? I don't think so. From a class point of view, one came for profit and the other out of neccesity.

I think there is huge importance in foreigners that DO come to Ireland getting involved in their unions, because it is in certain peoples interests to pay them less than us and thus harm both us (by resulting in Irish people being laid off because 'cheap labour' has arrived) and them (by working for next to nothing and being mistreated)

The solution here is unity then, that Irish people ensure foreign workers do not harm the workforce because they become a unionised part of it rather than some low-pay threat.

was it the bnp that had combat 18 links?

They've spoken at public meetings by groups like the National Alliance (Extreme-right in the U.S) and people like David Duke, who was actually involved with the KKK at the very top. In Britain their marches have been known to be 'protected' by funny characters, yep.

There is a very real threat that these lads will have a presence in the six counties in the not-too-distant future. Loyalism can often turn to the right quite rapidly and the 'selling out' of the DUP and absolute uselessness of the other parties could turn some working and middle class people towards the BNP. Like in the UK it won't be a 'fascist movement' that gets them councillers, but purely a protest vote.

I'm always glad to remind people the ICP (Immigration Control Platform) poll like 1-3% in Ireland. We're not in doomsday when it comes to this mob.

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Outside links (All from the left I admit, but you can google all this for more)

http://issuu.com/bristolantifa/docs/election_leaflet

Antifa leaflet on the election and the BNP.

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http://bristolantifa.org/2008/11/27/bnp-gets-support-from-dr-sicko/

BNP and their support from a man who has basically defended child pornography in the past and is a far right wing lunatic of the highest order.

hacx

Their site seems to be down. Didn't spring for hosting?

watty

british National (socialist) Party

Brit Nazis


SF is opposite end of same extremist Stick. When you go far enough left you bump into the Fascists heading further to right.

Democracy isn't very good, but it's what I support. If you are in a Labour camp it won't matter if the bosses think Stalin or Hitler was the greatest.

PrivateEye

Well today Sinn Féin are in Government with the D.U.P, welcomed the decision by ICTU to call off the one day strike, overseen cuts in Northern education and ran a very wishy-washy 'Mary Lou' Lisbon campaign.

I don't think they're 'extreme' in their politics at all today tbh.

british National (socialist) Party

Spot on. I don't think they've a long term future politically because of their ways, but as a short-term protest vote......

Matamoros

What I am saying here is truthful. I am an open minded friendly type of person living in Dublin. Nobody could ever correctly call me a racist, I know that's a cliche but it's true.
There is a Cameroonian family across from me whose son has been stealing from my neighbours recently culminating in an expensive mountain bike being robbed from my house. The bike belonged to a hard working Polish guy who shares the house with me. What is making me angry is that I am paying a mortgage (just about) and paying for these people so that they can rob me and live in a nice area rent free and driving a far nicer car than mine.
Being originally from a rough working class area, I understand that young lads do stuff like this and that this and worse happens all the time by all types of people but these people have undermined my support for a fair and open policy regarding genuine asylum seekers. I will be interested in taking all legal action that I can to remove this family from my area and hopefully from Ireland, we don't need more criminals here. Irish people are suffering enough already and will get to their breaking point soon enough if this keeps up.

af_thefragile

Any nationalist party is full of bollocks!!

brummytom

Scum... that's all they are. Nothing more.
Nazi Scum leftover from the days of skinheads posing as a legitimate political organisation.

They set up a branch here recently, but thank God, they've had no obvious support - I think there's been a great deal of outrage actually. This is a middle-class area, they seem to try and appeal to working classes raised as xenophobes.

Matamoros

Matamoros wrote: »

What I am saying here is truthful. I am an open minded friendly type of person living in Dublin. Nobody could ever correctly call me a racist, I know that's a cliche but it's true.
There is a Cameroonian family across from me whose son has been stealing from my neighbours recently culminating in an expensive mountain bike being robbed from my house. The bike belonged to a hard working Polish guy who shares the house with me. What is making me angry is that I am paying a mortgage (just about) and paying for these people so that they can rob me and live in a nice area rent free and driving a far nicer car than mine.
Being originally from a rough working class area, I understand that young lads do stuff like this and that this and worse happens all the time by all types of people but these people have undermined my support for a fair and open policy regarding genuine asylum seekers. I will be interested in taking all legal action that I can to remove this family from my area and hopefully from Ireland, we don't need more criminals here. Irish people are suffering enough already and will get to their breaking point soon enough if this keeps up.

Dont put up with it.

Either you or the Polish lad should go beat **** out of him and he will soon learn his African traditions of thievery are not welcome in Ireland.

He gives a bad name to all the immigrants that are integrating into society and contributing to Ireland,make sure his dole claiming family know they are not welcome unless they change their ways.

greendom

Matamoros wrote: »

What I am saying here is truthful. I am an open minded friendly type of person living in Dublin. Nobody could ever correctly call me a racist, I know that's a cliche but it's true.
There is a Cameroonian family across from me whose son has been stealing from my neighbours recently culminating in an expensive mountain bike being robbed from my house. The bike belonged to a hard working Polish guy who shares the house with me. What is making me angry is that I am paying a mortgage (just about) and paying for these people so that they can rob me and live in a nice area rent free and driving a far nicer car than mine.
Being originally from a rough working class area, I understand that young lads do stuff like this and that this and worse happens all the time by all types of people but these people have undermined my support for a fair and open policy regarding genuine asylum seekers. I will be interested in taking all legal action that I can to remove this family from my area and hopefully from Ireland, we don't need more criminals here. Irish people are suffering enough already and will get to their breaking point soon enough if this keeps up.

There's some not very thinly disguised racism going on here. Jealousy seems to be a major factor as well.

greendom

greendom wrote: »

There's some not very thinly disguised racism going on here. Jealousy seems to be a major factor as well.

Yeah he sounds jealous that they now have his Polish friends bike that they stole.

greendom

Astrid Acidic Photo wrote: »

Yeah he sounds jealous that they now have his Polish friends bike that they stole.

No, it was the reference to a better house and better car I was referring to. What the boy did is wrong, that's for sure, if true; it's no reason to deport him or his family though

greendom

greendom wrote: »

No, it was the reference to a better house and better car I was referring to. What the boy did is wrong, that's for sure, if true; it's no reason to deport him or his family though

Well if you are happy to have immigrants coming in and claiming welfare ,buying nice cars with it and getting housing in good areas and contributing sweet fa to the country then your a sad person tbh.

Im not rascist but I am sick of Ireland bending over backwards and being abused by people that have nothing to contribute to this country and never intend on contributing anything.

Its about time this pc bull**** stopped and those who are of no benefit to Ireland ar ****ed out on there ear.

Im not saying this family in particular are like that,although their theiving son does them no good but people like this do exist and they need to be deported.