HULL CITY v MANCHESTER UNITED EPL (MATCH THREAD) 24/5/09, 16.00 Sky Sp 3

Carroller16

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My team for this:

Kuszczak

Rafael
Evans
Ferdinand???????
Fabio

Nani
Gibson
Fletcher
Tosic

Welbeck
Macheda

2-2 DRAW

I think it's gonna be a strange game but i'm looking forward to seeing how the youngsters do together

mike65

its fcuking Wednesday

Carroller16

Yeah ....and some people might want to talk about united's next match

Podge2k7

mike65 wrote: »

its fcuking Wednesday

lmfao

ShooterSF

OP's line up seems fine. The only change I'd make is Nev for Evans if Rio plays just for extra protection.

Looking forward to watching the kids play. The game is completely pointless and is the first in ages I can watch just to enjoy the game regardless of result.

I going with a Hull win followed quickly by an announcement that Manucho and Cambell have coincidently been sold to Hull in a double deal for £14m.

That_Guy

ShooterSF wrote: »

OP's line up seems fine. The only change I'd make is Nev for Evans if Rio plays just for extra protection.

Looking forward to watching the kids play. The game is completely pointless and is the first in ages I can watch just to enjoy the game regardless of result.

I going with a Hull win followed quickly by an announcement that Manucho and Cambell have coincidently been sold to Hull in a double deal for £14m.

Oi how dare you.

dcr22B

Sorry That_Guy, I'm getting fairly p1ssed off reading all the complaints about Boro and Toon Army fans whinging that SAF will put out a "weakened" side against Hull on Sunday.

Well, of course he is with a Champions League final the following Wednesday and to be honest, most of our 2nd team should account for a poor side like Hull so i don't see what all the whinging is about?

In any case, Newcastle and Boro had 37 other matches to secure their EPL status. They're both simply not good enough as are Hull and Sunderland so I won;t shed any tears for any combination that goes down.

Personally, I can see Hull losing to United, Newcastle losing at Villa (Villa still have a chance of regaining 5th place from the Toffees if they win and Everton fail to win at Fulham) and Middlesborough might pick up a point at the Hammers (doubtful given that Downing won't start). Sunderland should escape even though Chelsea will more than likely beat them.

ShooterSF

That_Guy wrote: »

Oi how dare you.

Sorry, obviously it means something to Hull:D :P

But to be fair to them atleast their destiny is in their own hands

PHB

I'll be shocked if Evans plays since Ferdinand is trying to get fit. I just don't understand any reason to play somebody unless we're testing them for fitness or getting their confidence up. Personally, I'd play Ronaldo since he's always asburdly fit.

Pighead

PHB wrote: »

Personally, I'd play Ronaldo since he's always asburdly fit.

It wouldn't really be fitness issues that would worry me. It'd be the Hull defenders trying to stop him at all costs in order to save their season which could result in nasty tackles /nasty injuries.

kinaldo

I think SAF will rest a few players but nevertheless put out a strong team of a respectable average age.

I recall him in past seasons going on about teams and managers having a responsiblity to the league, respecting the teams below that still have something to play for etc.

Anyone recall what sort of team he put out 2 years ago (which lost) against relegation battlers West Ham, when they had an FA Cup final against Chelsea the following week (also lost) ?

Pighead

kinaldo wrote: »

Anyone recall what sort of team he put out 2 years ago (which lost) against relegation battlers West Ham, when they had an FA Cup final against Chelsea the following week (also lost) ?

Van der Sar, O'Shea, Brown, Heinze, Evra (Giggs 57), Solskjaer, Carrick (Scholes 58), Fletcher, Richardson, Smith (Ronaldo 58), Rooney.

Wasn't too shabby in fairness.

kinaldo

dcr22B wrote: »

In any case, Newcastle and Boro had 37 other matches to secure their EPL status.

Hahaha brilliant, the outcome of a league should always be decided before the last game! Why even bother with a 38th game!

kinaldo

mike65 wrote: »

its fcuking Wednesday

''Time is an awkward inconvenience between football matches'' - Albert Camus

lordgoat

A draw will be the outcome, with Hull staying up.

kinaldo

As a Toon follower I'm not really too worried about this result, so confident am I that Man Utd will win.

It's Newcastle's team against Villa that worries me (no Bassong, Beye doubtful).

pwd

It was mentioned in the fantasy football thread that ronaldo is joint top goalscorer with anelka atm - so he might be playing so he can be top goalscorer for the season. Think that's likely?

PHB

I have no doubt Ronaldo will be in Fergie's ear wanting to get it.

Rowley Birkin QC

Heard something in passing today on SSN about managers petitioning Utd. to play a full strength team and threatening legal action if they don't. I laughed.

Denis Irwin

bigkev49 wrote: »

Heard something in passing today on SSN about managers petitioning Utd. to play a full strength team and threatening legal action if they don't. I laughed.

So did I. They've had 37 matches to save their bacon and they haven't so they shouldn't be relying on other managers to do it for them.

lordgoat

Denis Irwin wrote: »

So did I. They've had 37 matches to save their bacon and they haven't so they shouldn't be relying on other managers to do it for them.

So if utd win and whoever loses and goes down can man utd sue them for being shi te?

kinaldo

Denis Irwin wrote: »

So did I. They've had 37 matches to save their bacon and they haven't so they shouldn't be relying on other managers to do it for them.

The league is 38 games though. Big difference.

CR 7

kinaldo wrote: »

The league is 38 games though. Big difference.

37 up to now, + 1 on sunday = 38.


But also, yes, they shouldn't be blaming anyone but themselves for getting into this position in the first place.

Aidric

I sincerely hope we send Hull packing back to the championship. A sacking for Brown in the aftermath would be the icing on the cake.

Headshot

Aidric wrote: »

I sincerely hope we send Hull packing back to the championship. A sacking for Brown in the aftermath would be the icing on the cake.

whats wrong with brown

GLaDOS

Read on teletext today that all Sunderland, Newcastle and Middlesbrough will not take legal action if they do put out a weakened team.

OPENROAD

Headshot wrote: »

whats wrong with brown

The way he dresses.

eagle eye

Put the shoe on the other foot and see how it fits.

If United were chasing the title and were one point lets say behind Chelsea going into the 38th game of the season. Lets say Liverpool were 3rd and were playing Chelsea in the last game of the season. Liverpool were lying third and could not finish any worse or any better.

What would be the reaction to Liverpool sending out a weakened team to face Chelsea and all but hand them the League title. How would United fans feel? How would the Premier League hierarchy react? How would the media react?

United should send out a top team for the last game imo.

If they send out a team like whats down in the op, I'll look forward to the day when something like what I've said above happens.

Remember when Blackburn won the title after being defeated by Liverpool on the last day, they gave United every chance to win the league that day.

Rowley Birkin QC

Not really applicable there eagle eye.

There is the small matter of the Champions League Final for Ferguson to consider. Also, United have no real interest in who stays up or who goes down.

I'm just looking forward to seeing how the kids get on and also the prospect of Newcastle spending a season or two where they belong.

Corben Dallas

This will be interesting to see if Fergie puts out full sqaud. Doubt he would play 'fab 4' with a CL final coming up. Newcastle fans would be worried if he puts out his 'Carling cup' team and rests Tevez, Berba, Rooney etc.
Even Hull might be able to beat them!

Ronaldo will def want to play to get the GB.

Read on teletext today that all Sunderland, Newcastle and Middlesbrough will not take legal action if they do put out a weakened team.
LOL SAF will do what he wants and the FA wont interfere.

Hopes Anelka taps in two to get GB.

Newcastle to escape, Hull & Boro(good as) relegated.

legs11

anyone who thinks phil brown is even 'ok' needs their head examined

I would get banned here so no names given..:P

he thinks he is the man, and the way he has that microphone on his gob he thinks he is wacko jacko at wembley, attire and all.

back to the championship la with you

FatherTed

eagle eye wrote: »

Put the shoe on the other foot and see how it fits.

If United were chasing the title and were one point lets say behind Chelsea going into the 38th game of the season. Lets say Liverpool were 3rd and were playing Chelsea in the last game of the season. Liverpool were lying third and could not finish any worse or any better.

What would be the reaction to Liverpool sending out a weakened team to face Chelsea and all but hand them the League title. How would United fans feel? How would the Premier League hierarchy react? How would the media react?

United should send out a top team for the last game imo.

If they send out a team like whats down in the op, I'll look forward to the day when something like what I've said above happens.

Remember when Blackburn won the title after being defeated by Liverpool on the last day, they gave United every chance to win the league that day.

Whats the difference between the 8th, 18th, 28th or 38th games of the season? Nothing. Noone complains if Rafa rests Gerrard or Torres in a Prem game before a midweek CL game. No difference. Fergie's priority is the CL Final now. Nothing else matters to Manchester United at this stage. I will be surprised if he played any of his CL Final starting XI (barring Ferdinand to test his fitness) on Sunday.

newballsplease

i really cant understand that rule the premierleague have that you must play your strongest 11 when possible??? like, whats the point in squads. So if Ronaldo was fit and rested, is that breaking a rule?! daft.

Boggles

eagle eye wrote: »

Lets say Liverpool were 3rd and were playing Chelsea in the last game of the season. Liverpool were lying third and could not finish any worse or any better.

If Liverpool were playing a champions league final 72 hours later I would fully understand.

Mitch Connor

As mentioned on the other site... how cool would it be to see this side:

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Amos

Brown--Brown--Evans--Fabio

Rafael--Fletcher--Evans--Tosic

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Kiko----Welbeck

3 sets of brothers - i'd love to see that!

Headshot

Mitch Connor wrote: »

As mentioned on the other site... how cool would it be to see this side:

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Amos

Brown--Brown--Evans--Fabio

Rafael--Fletcher--Evans--Tosic

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Kiko----Welbeck

3 sets of brothers - i'd love to see that!

now that would be cool

United's bid to finish the Barclays Premier League season with a win on Sunday - and more importantly to win the Champions League next Wednesday - could be boosted by the return of one or hopefully two England defenders.

Wes Brown is in contention for a start on Sunday afternoon against Hull City while Rio Ferdinand's chances of being involved look better after he trained on Friday morning.

Speaking at his pre-match press conference, Sir Alex Ferguson said, "Rio has trained today, which is good news. He’s done quite well. We’ll see how he is tomorrow.

"Wes Brown’s been training for over two weeks now. He comes into contention. He’s another experienced international player who’ll relish coming back into the team."

Sir Alex's team selection for the 38th and final fixture of the league season has been the subject of much speculation, given the game's proximity to the Champions League final and its importance to Hull and the other three clubs threatened by relegation.

"We have a league that’s got the best integrity in the world and we’ll play a part in that on Sunday," declared the United manager.

"No matter which team I pick, it will represent Manchester United in the normal way. We’re expected to win and we’ll go to win. That’s the responsibility I always have so nobody should worry themselves unduly about our intentions on this particular occasion.

"I did contemplate phoning the three managers involved – Gareth Southgate (Middlesbrough), Alan Shearer (Newcastle) and Ricky Sbragia (Sunderland). Then I thought to myself, 'Ricky worked here, he knows this club, he knows exactly what we’re going to do. Gareth Southgate and Alan Shearer have played against us many times – they know exactly what it’s like to play against Manchester United.'

"So I dismissed the idea (of phoning) because they must know we’ll be doing our best.”

As normal, the Reds boss did not reveal his line-up at Friday's pre-match press conference, but there was a hint it may resemble his FA Cup semi-final side...

"If I can trust them in a semi-final, why not trust them in the final league match when we have already won the title?" asked Sir Alex.

Tom65

Mitch Connor wrote: »

As mentioned on the other site... how cool would it be to see this side:

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Amos

Brown--Brown--Evans--Fabio

Rafael--Fletcher--Evans--Tosic

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Kiko----Welbeck

3 sets of brothers - i'd love to see that!

Who is Brown #2?


I'd like to see a team like this:

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PIG

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Rafael--Ferdinand--Evans--Fabio
Nani---Fletcher---Gibson---Tosic

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Kiko

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Welbeck

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Mitch Connor

Tom65 wrote: »

Who is Brown #2?


I'd like to see a team like this:

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PIG

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Rafael--Ferdinand--Evans--Fabio
Nani---Fletcher---Gibson---Tosic

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Kiko

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Welbeck

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Reece Brown - Wes' younger brother. Not ready for the first team at all - just dreaming myself. He is a regularly for the academy side, and was making a few appearances for the reserves by the end of the season, I reckon he will be involved a good bit at reserve level next season, aiming for the Carling Cup the following season. Very much like Wes, can play RB and CB, strong, quick and loves to tackle.

That_Guy

dcr22B wrote: »

Sorry That_Guy, I'm getting fairly p1ssed off reading all the complaints about Boro and Toon Army fans whinging that SAF will put out a "weakened" side against Hull on Sunday.

Well, of course he is with a Champions League final the following Wednesday and to be honest, most of our 2nd team should account for a poor side like Hull so i don't see what all the whinging is about?

In any case, Newcastle and Boro had 37 other matches to secure their EPL status. They're both simply not good enough as are Hull and Sunderland so I won;t shed any tears for any combination that goes down.

Personally, I can see Hull losing to United, Newcastle losing at Villa (Villa still have a chance of regaining 5th place from the Toffees if they win and Everton fail to win at Fulham) and Middlesborough might pick up a point at the Hammers (doubtful given that Downing won't start). Sunderland should escape even though Chelsea will more than likely beat them.

I'm not complaining about SAF fielding a "weakened" team on Sunday. He's well within his rights to do so.

I agree that we've had 37 games to perform so it is our own fault that we are where we are.

I still think United will beat Hull and I think we'll get a draw on Sunday so come on the Man United..... *shudders* I feel so dirty for saying that.

Dave!

eagle eye wrote: »

Put the shoe on the other foot and see how it fits.

If United were chasing the title and were one point lets say behind Chelsea going into the 38th game of the season. Lets say Liverpool were 3rd and were playing Chelsea in the last game of the season. Liverpool were lying third and could not finish any worse or any better.

What would be the reaction to Liverpool sending out a weakened team to face Chelsea and all but hand them the League title. How would United fans feel? How would the Premier League hierarchy react? How would the media react?

United should send out a top team for the last game imo.

If they send out a team like whats down in the op, I'll look forward to the day when something like what I've said above happens.

Remember when Blackburn won the title after being defeated by Liverpool on the last day, they gave United every chance to win the league that day.

Get a grip would ye

Mitch Connor

Dave! wrote: »

Get a grip would ye

he'd have a point if United were going to play a weakened team on Sunday purely to lose and get two of the north east clubs relegated. However, as that is not the case I don't think his scenario is the same as what will happen on Sunday.

Deliberately losing in order to negatively affect the outcome of the league for someone else would be disgraceful

Headshot

our youngsters who played against the 5th best team in england and shouldve won will be playing against Hull

so no one can really complain

eagle eye

Of course they can complain.

Play a decent team and nobody complains. I'm not saying that you play your whole first team but something like

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VDS

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Rafael

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Evans----Vidic

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O'Shea
Ronaldo----Flethcher----Anderson----Nani

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Tevez

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Berbatov

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Now you are resting Rio, Evra, Giggs, Scholes, Carrick and Rooney.
I put Ronaldo in as it seems he wants to play every game.
Rafael needs more games, Evans needs to play with Vidic if there is a doubt over Rio. Tevez is not an automatic first team selection. ROFL at resting a goalkeeper.
I mean out of that team there, its likely that there will be five starting in the CL final or maybe six.

Nobody would complain if that was United's team the weekend.

Headshot

eagle eye wrote: »

Of course they can complain.

Play a decent team and nobody complains. I'm not saying that you play your whole first team but something like

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VDS

---

Rafael

---

Evans----Vidic

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O'Shea
Ronaldo----Flethcher----Anderson----Nani

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Tevez

---

Berbatov

---

Now you are resting Rio, Evra, Giggs, Scholes, Carrick and Rooney.
I put Ronaldo in as it seems he wants to play every game.
Rafael needs more games, Evans needs to play with Vidic if there is a doubt over Rio. Tevez is not an automatic first team selection. ROFL at resting a goalkeeper.
I mean out of that team there, its likely that there will be five starting in the CL final or maybe six.

Nobody would complain if that was United's team the weekend.

I dont really have the patience or the strength to debate this with you

anything ill say will be wrong :rolleyes:

ShooterSF

I don't see why United should feel obliged to field a strong side. They did their job this season, why should they do Boro's or Newcastle's too?

For anyone who likes a flutter Uniter were going at 2.34 on betfair this morning. That's a lil over 13/10. Long time since United were better than evens against a team that has won what, 2 in 24?

Dave!

eagle eye wrote: »

Of course they can complain.

Play a decent team and nobody complains. I'm not saying that you play your whole first team but something like

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VDS

---

Rafael

---

Evans----Vidic

---

O'Shea
Ronaldo----Flethcher----Anderson----Nani

---

Tevez

---

Berbatov

---

Now you are resting Rio, Evra, Giggs, Scholes, Carrick and Rooney.
I put Ronaldo in as it seems he wants to play every game.
Rafael needs more games, Evans needs to play with Vidic if there is a doubt over Rio. Tevez is not an automatic first team selection. ROFL at resting a goalkeeper.
I mean out of that team there, its likely that there will be five starting in the CL final or maybe six.

Nobody would complain if that was United's team the weekend.

Pathetic tbh

Mitch Connor

eagle eye wrote: »

Of course they can complain.

Play a decent team and nobody complains. I'm not saying that you play your whole first team but something like

---

VDS

---

Rafael

---

Evans----Vidic

---

O'Shea
Ronaldo----Flethcher----Anderson----Nani

---

Tevez

---

Berbatov

---

Now you are resting Rio, Evra, Giggs, Scholes, Carrick and Rooney.
I put Ronaldo in as it seems he wants to play every game.
Rafael needs more games, Evans needs to play with Vidic if there is a doubt over Rio. Tevez is not an automatic first team selection. ROFL at resting a goalkeeper.
I mean out of that team there, its likely that there will be five starting in the CL final or maybe six.

Nobody would complain if that was United's team the weekend.

So....

VDS gets injured - PIG for the CL.

Evans gets injured and Rio doesn't recover? Vidic and....Neville at CB for the final? Oh, but you have selected Vidic too. What if he gets injured?

Ronaldo gets injured and we lose possibly our biggest attcking threat? Awesome selection there...

Anderson - guaranteed starter for the final, a match where we'll need him to run his ass off and you have him starting? That is just stupid.

Berbatov AND tevez to play, nice - we lose either of them and our options for the final are instantly reduced.

If you had left out a few of the key players I might have thought you had a point, but you didn't really. VDS, Vidic, Ronaldo, Anderson stupid picks. I'd debate O'Shea too given we have no other experienced fully fit right backs.

Basically, the only players you have really rested are Carrick, Scholes, Giggs and Rooney.

thegen

For once I am in agreement with the UTD fans. Ferguson should rest all he can. CL final is more important in who goes down or not.

He has a problem though, if he does rest key players and Hull get a result to stay up it will always be percieved as "Fergusons" fault insert name here were relegated.

Is there a possible rap on the knuckles from PL if he does field a weakend side?

Best of luck in the CL final.

Headshot

even scudamore agrees with saf

Dave!

thegen wrote: »

For once I am in agreement with the UTD fans. Ferguson should rest all he can. CL final is more important in who goes down or not.

He has a problem though, if he does rest key players and Hull get a result to stay up it will always have been "Fergusons" fault insert name here were relegated.

Is there a possible rap on the knuckles from PL if he does field a weakend side?

Best of luck in the CL final.

That's too bad really, it's not our job to get involved in the relegation battle, we've just to look at what's best for United, and that is to rest most of the first team

I know you're not suggesting otherwise btw!

eagle eye

Mitch Connor wrote: »

So....

VDS gets injured - PIG for the CL.

Evans gets injured and Rio doesn't recover? Vidic and....Neville at CB for the final? Oh, but you have selected Vidic too. What if he gets injured?

Ronaldo gets injured and we lose possibly our biggest attcking threat? Awesome selection there...

Anderson - guaranteed starter for the final, a match where we'll need him to run his ass off and you have him starting? That is just stupid.

Berbatov AND tevez to play, nice - we lose either of them and our options for the final are instantly reduced.

If you had left out a few of the key players I might have thought you had a point, but you didn't really. VDS, Vidic, Ronaldo, Anderson stupid picks. I'd debate O'Shea too given we have no other experienced fully fit right backs.

Basically, the only players you have really rested are Carrick, Scholes, Giggs and Rooney.

I didn't realise the United playes were so brittle. How on earth did they win the title this season with all them injuries likely every week?