Old Lidl/Aldi Sat box info

Mark#1

Finally got a chance to go back up on the roof with today's good weather today to try again...

I got all excited just now when I finally got TV channels on screen - perfect picture & sound, 78% intensity & 74% quality. Pity it was 19.2.

Much as I'd love to leave it there (there seems to be plenty of "evening" channels...), I got it for normal day-to-day TV, so I had to go back up on the roof to move the dish further left (I'm guessing it should be pointing the same way as my next-door neighbour's Sky dish?)

Problem is, the dish hits the chimney before it turns enough to where it looks like it's pointing the same way as the neighbour's.

So it looks like I either need to relocate the bracket further accross on the chimney so the dish clears the brickwork (on the neighbour's side, though I'm sure they wouldn't mind), or down to the front of the house in a position where the dish's orientation angle isn't obstructed.

It'd be easier & less of an eyesore if I just move it on the chimney. Anyone else have this trouble?

At least I know the system works...

EDIT: Sort of got it going. I moved the bracket on the chimney so the dish now rotates more freely. I've got the CH4s and some news, shopping & Asian-oriented channels, but the BBCs & ITVs are all still saying either "weak signal" or "no signal", and showing either broken picture or none at all.

The signal intensity is now consistently at 93% and signal quality is flicking around between 49% and low 70s.

I thought it was "all or nothing" with satellite reception?

I'm reluctant to muck around any more. I got a bit cheesed off with it and started to wonder if I should just take my Lidl dish down and get Sky+ now that it's just €50 for the box and €50 installation.

I've no idea which way I should move the dish now to get all the channels I should be getting. I only got this far by sitting on the roof with that whine in my ear and either my wife or son shouting up, "88, 14". "87, 21-no-61-no-14" for over an hour.


Mark

Bozacke

Before re-adjusting your bracket, try slightly turning the LNB. Getting the Satellites is pretty much all or nothing, but there are different transponders and different channels are on different transponders, I think all of the BBCs are on the same or adjacent transponders, and usually a tweak of the LNB or a minor adjustment of the dish is all you need to pick up the other transponders.

Mark#1

Thanks.

I'll try that when I get a chance.


Mark

micratoyota

josh59 wrote: »

Apparently this is due to happen later on this year when CH5 etc start broadcasting on the Freesat patform - ( what you are getting with your Lidl system) There are some other posts on this elsewhere on boards.ie but in essence what I've said above is the situation.

Cheers[/quote Hi. How can I find out when new channels are due to go to FTA. Would there ever be a time when UTV Gold. Drama etc would go FTA. Love oldies

biologikal

The satellite forums at digitalspy ( http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=141 ) are a good place to keep an eye on; lots of speculation, insider info, and usually first with news of new channels, changes or news. Noteworthy news will eventually find its way to boards though.

oneeyedman

I have a small but still annoying problem -
i can get most channele except it seems BBC 3+4 - can get the cbeebies version ans CBBC butthe problem is that the now and next EPG goes to bed at 7pm with the babies - in the midlands with a 60cm Lidl dis hand overall happy with the return on what is a modest investment

celticfc

micratoyota wrote: »

Would there ever be a time when UTV Gold. Drama etc would go FTA. Love oldies

It's Possible and was hinted at a while ago, they are another crowd who would have a lot of rights issues to deal with aswell, but a lot of broadcasters seem to want some freesat action at the mo.

I agree though, they would be great additions.

micratoyota

celticfc wrote: »

It's Possible and was hinted at a while ago, they are another crowd who would have a lot of rights issues to deal with aswell, but a lot of broadcasters seem to want some freesat action at the mo.

I agree though, they would be great additions.

:) Another reply said watch www.digitalspy.co.uk. forum they seem to keep up to date. while browsing through i came across a thread which said that RTE!! were coming on ftv in about 4 weeks time and are about to start testing. Has anybody in boards heard this?

celticfc

micratoyota wrote: »

:) Another reply said watch www.digitalspy.co.uk. forum they seem to keep up to date. while browsing through i came across a thread which said that RTE!! were coming on ftv in about 4 weeks time and are about to start testing. Has anybody in boards heard this?

Dont get too excited about that just yet

There's another thread about it here

Five on the other hand should be available FTA shortly.

AZTEC818

I have one of those Lidl systems.
There not bad.
Only recently i lost BBC News 24. Anyone know how i can get it back ?

Also is ITV 3 + Channel 4 available yet on this system?

Is there a website that lists what you can get and how to tune / re-tune them in ?

biologikal

There is a recent thread here about BBC News:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055369342

You probably just need to do a TP (transponder) scan to get it back.

C4 has been available for months, ITV 3 much longer. Again, you probably only need to do a TP scan to get them, you can find the details required here:

http://www.flysat.com/28east.php

The manual tells you how to scan individual transponders, but basically to get to the menu, it's something like "Menu" on the remote, then Installation>TP Scan, then select your satellite at the top (Astra 2), then find the TP below that, then scan.

Play around with it, it's difficult to do any damage that can't be rectified, and you'll learn more by mucking about with it, rather than being spoon-fed everything.

micratoyota

AZTEC818 wrote: »

I have one of those Lidl systems.
There not bad.
Only recently i lost BBC News 24. Anyone know how i can get it back ?

Also is ITV 3 + Channel 4 available yet on this system?

Is there a website that lists what you can get and how to tune / re-tune them in ?

Hi you can go into menu then scroll down to installations, go to TP Scan then TP Freq. enter 110906 smybol 22000 Polarity V for ITV 3 and search. You can repeat this for BBC News but the freq is 11954 Symbol 27500 Pol H. And Chanell 4 which comes in under the name 8350 Fr. 10729, sym 22000 Pol V. I got all this information from my List on my remote control. Hope this works for you. One thing is that at first when I got the Lidl system I had the signal only to 71% and could not bring in BBC News when the weather was bad.

micratoyota

biologikal wrote: »

There is a recent thread here about BBC News:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055369342

You probably just need to do a TP (transponder) scan to get it back.

C4 has been available for months, ITV 3 much longer. Again, you probably only need to do a TP scan to get them, you can find the details required here:

http://www.flysat.com/28east.php

The manual tells you how to scan individual transponders, but basically to get to the menu, it's something like "Menu" on the remote, then Installation>TP Scan, then select your satellite at the top (Astra 2), then find the TP below that, then scan.

Play around with it, it's difficult to do any damage that can't be rectified, and you'll learn more by mucking about with it, rather than being spoon-fed everything.

Hi biologikal, This enquiry came from Aztec not from Micratoyota I have been learning from Boards.ie since I first got The Lidl 57 dish in April/May this year and thanks to Boards and also the easly understood booklet with the Silvercrest system I understand a lot of what is going on with regarding new channels etc. Thanks again anyway

micratoyota

[ quote=micratoyota;57132075]:) Hi you can go into menu then scroll down to installations, go to TP Scan then TP Freq. enter 110906 smybol 22000 Polarity V for ITV 3 and search. You can repeat this for BBC News but the freq is 11954 Symbol 27500 Pol H. And Chanell 4 which comes in under the name 8350 Fr. 10729, sym 22000 Pol V. I got all this information from my List on my remote control. Hope this works for you. One thing is that at first when I got the Lidl system I had the signal only to 71% and could not bring in BBC News when the weather was bad.[/quote]


Hi the channel frequencies have for Channel 4 (8350) have been changed. Channel 4 and is now named as such and can be found under freq. 10714 H 22000 as are Film 4 Chanell 4+1 can be found under 10729 V 22000 as 8313. You can go to list on remote (2) and move the old channels backwards to a free space and dont forget to save. A very good source of information is www.flysat.com/28east.php Hope this will help you

The Fool

This is back on Sale thisThursday, 11th

Anyone now if you can get Eurosport (non UK) with this dish

biologikal

The Fool wrote: »

This is back on Sale thisThursday, 11th

Anyone now if you can get Eurosport (non UK) with this dish

Yes, with German commentry, from Astra 1, 19E.

petronius

Eurosport in german on 19.2 (good for the US Open tennis)
Astra 1H 12.226 GHz H / 27.5 (German, FTA)

It is also still on Analogue I think
Astra 1F 11.259 GHz V (analogue, German and English)

I See lidl has another offer on thursday 11/09/08

http://www.lidl.ie/IE/home.nsf/pages/c.o.20080911.p.SilverCrestDigitalHomeSatelliteSystem

Is it a 65 or 80cm dish?

jelly&icecream

scaller wrote: »

For an Extra 15 euro you will get this http://satworld.ie/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=100

or

For an Extra 20 euro you will get this http://www.powercity.ie/?par=10-23-28201R

Either of these two would be better value than whats on sale in lidl.

Even though the lidl one is 80cm in size as opposed to both of these which are 60cm?

Another question for anyone who may have bought one of these in the past....how heavy/large is the whole package? I'm hoping to pick one up on Thursday but I havent got a car so I'll be carrying it the approx 1.5km home and I'll probably be doing it solo unless i can coerce the boyfriend into coming with me.

St Senan

jelly&icecream wrote: »

Even though the lidl one is 80cm in size as opposed to both of these which are 60cm?

60cm dish size is perfect for picking up signals from Astra 2/ Eurobird satellite
The lidl dish might be 80cm but either of the other 2 i mentioned would be far stronger in our winds than the lidl dish. Their is no comparison between the lidl dish and any of the other two.

jelly&icecream

Are the fittings for attaching the lidl one to the wall not the sturdiest?

St Senan

The wall fittings are crap and the back bracket of the dish is made from plastic.

pjproby

the package is not heavy but it is awkward to carry.
though there are many comments on the fittings-remember it is intended for a wall definitely not a chimney.
install over your back door-you will be able to manipulate it better there if you need to.
it come with a sat finder-which you initially connect between the dish and the connecting cable-you then listen via an earphone for the signal. The signal makes a high pitched sound when it latches on to a satellite. If you read the forums you will realise that finding the signals is the hard part. This sat finder actually works. For €80 it is a great bargain and a great introduction to sat viewing.

St Senan

For 20 euro more you will get a better setup with stronger brackets and wall mounts.
not every ones back wall and door are facing south/southeast and the philix kit that power city sell also comes with a satfinder.

bittihuduga

scaller wrote: »

For 20 euro more you will get a better setup with stronger brackets and wall mounts.
not every ones back wall and door are facing south/southeast and the philix kit that power city sell also comes with a satfinder.

but not a 80cm one for 20euro more :-(

St Senan

bittihuduga wrote: »

but not a 80cm one for 20euro more :-(

The 80cm dish lidl sell have a plastic bracket.
A 60cm is well suited for the Astra2/ Eurobird signal. Its the most common size dish here in Ireland
If people wanted a 80cm dish any installer would recommend a Triax dish.

biologikal

scaller wrote: »

The 80cm dish lidl sell have a plastic bracket.

And what's wrong with with that? At least it's not going to rust. The plastic is a very dense plastic, and very thick, it's not going to break, unless you get seriously medieval with it.

For the record, I've had the 80cm dish installed for a year now, and the only times it's moved is when I've loosened the bolts, and moved it myself. The ONLY signs of rust are on the wall bracket, where the teeth of the clamping profile have dug into the bracket, and removed some of the galvanised material, when I've been moving it around. I'd say it will last a very long time before this becomes a weak point in the system.

scaller wrote: »

A 60cm is well suited for the Astra2/ Eurobird signal. Its the most common size dish here in Ireland
If people wanted a 80cm dish any installer would recommend a Triax dish.

True, but you can forget about any *reliable* multi-LNB arrangement with a 60cm dish. Also, people in the north-western extremes of the country might have something to say about a 60cm dish and some of the weaker TPs when it's bucketing down, like it has been recently.

St Senan

biologikal wrote: »

And what's wrong with with that? At least it's not going to rust. The plastic is a very dense plastic, and very thick, it's not going to break, unless you get seriously medieval with it.

For the record, I've had the 80cm dish installed for a year now, and the only times it's moved is when I've loosened the bolts, and moved it myself. The ONLY signs of rust are on the wall bracket, where the teeth of the clamping profile have dug into the bracket, and removed some of the galvanised material, when I've been moving it around. I'd say it will last a very long time before this becomes a weak point in the system.



True, but you can forget about any *reliable* multi-LNB arrangement with a 60cm dish. Also, people in the north-western extremes of the country might have something to say about a 60cm dish and some of the weaker TPs when it's bucketing down, like it has been recently.

We can discuss the Lidl satellite kit here for years. but any one who sells and installs dishes for a living will tell you that compared to the majority of kits thats available to buy nowadays for around 100euro the Lidl kit is not good value for money. If you want a multi lnb set up buy a triax 80cm dish with multi lnb holder.

pjproby

hardly worth having a row over-the lidl comes with a dual lnb which is handy-The dish is lightweight and very easy to fit and align by yourself. No doubt we will all move on to better gear when we see the possibilities that this kit gives us.

jelly&icecream

Thanks for all your replies. Think I might chance it...The wall i'm putting it on is fairly sheltered and I shouldnt have to put it too high up judging by what the neighbours have up. Now the only issue is getting out of bed early on thursday morning :pac: Easier said than done!!!

biologikal

I've noticed that the Lidl kit hasn't been flying off the shelves like it was a year ago, probably because anyone who want's one, probably has one at this stage - you probably won't have a problem getting one.

Also, don't forget that you get a 3-year guarantee with it - I don't know how long you get with other kits, but I'd say it's the standard 1-year.

A sheltered, easily accessible spot is the best place to put it, if it's possible, and will make any maintenance or upgrades much easier.

siobhan.murphy

I already have sky so I have a dish on the house ,can I use this dish with the set up from lidl,
I want to cancel sky

L1011

80CM dishes are harder to install for amateurs than 60CM dishes due to a smaller focus point. This is definately a concern for many people...

siobhan.murphy

do u think the existing dish will do ?

L1011

If its currently receiving Sky, it will

If you currently have Sky, just cancel it and force the box to think its in the UK = same channels as this kit, no cost.

siobhan.murphy

how can I do that?
just cancel sky after I install the new lidl thing?

biologikal

siobhan.murphy wrote: »

how can I do that?
just cancel sky after I install the new lidl thing?

Depending on what you want, it might be enough to just cancel Sky, and continue using the Sky box - if you take the card out of the Sky box, and switch the box off/on, you will get to see what channels are currently free to air (FTA).

You won't get RTE/TG4/TV3, and I don't think you'll get C4, unless you manually tune it in. There may be others that are FTA, but not available on the Sky box, plus you can't delete any channels, but you'll still have the EPG. The Lidl box only has now and next programmes available on the EPG (for channels on 28E; some European channels have full EPG available, but not on your regular BBC1, or ITV). Not sure whether you'd get UTV or some other ITV variant.

Sure try it and see if what you get is good enough for you.

You won't get RTE/TG4/TV3 on the Lidl box either.

bamjames

is it possible that you can use the lidle system to tune into sky digital after messing with the system for a while

johnb25

I am also looking at getting one of the LIDL sets. I only have the 4 terrestrial channels at present, and have no experience of satellite systems. One question on this system..the Lidl product detail has this: "Software update via satellite Astra 19.2° east EPG(electronic programme guide)". It this a big deal if I want to set it to Astra 28? Will I really need software updates, or is there any way to download to PC and update the box.
A more general query about the cabling in the house...we have a cable from the aerial to a powered unit in the attic which distributes the signal to the TV points in the rooms. Can I combine & connect a satellite cable into this unit so that both aerial and satellite signals come through the existing TV points. I want to avoid another cable from the attic. Also, there is a double TV point in the sittingroom, which I think is something to do with satellite. (the electrician explained it, but there was too much else going on at the time..). This room is not habitable/used yet

plodder

bamjames wrote: »

is it possible that you can use the lidle system to tune into sky digital after messing with the system for a while

You can use the dish, but not the box. That would have to come from Sky.

plodder

johnb25 wrote: »

I am also looking at getting one of the LIDL sets. I only have the 4 terrestrial channels at present, and have no experience of satellite systems. One question on this system..the Lidl product detail has this: "Software update via satellite Astra 19.2° east EPG(electronic programme guide)". It this a big deal if I want to set it to Astra 28? Will I really need software updates, or is there any way to download to PC and update the box.
A more general query about the cabling in the house...we have a cable from the aerial to a powered unit in the attic which distributes the signal to the TV points in the rooms. Can I combine & connect a satellite cable into this unit so that both aerial and satellite signals come through the existing TV points. I want to avoid another cable from the attic. Also, there is a double TV point in the sittingroom, which I think is something to do with satellite. (the electrician explained it, but there was too much else going on at the time..). This room is not habitable/used yet

The box works with Astra 28. Only if you want to update the software, might you want to point it at 19.2. But I think it is possible to do that via a PC alternatively. I've noticed a lot of the channels on my box are not up to date, so that is something I would like to do.

You can combine the terrestrial and sat signals onto one cable, and then split them in the room, where that cable reappears. The thing you need at both ends is called a satellite splitter/combiner. I'm not certain about this bit, but I suspect you can only do this on one cable down-stream of the existing box you have. ie. you can't split satellite signals to multiple rooms.

biologikal

There shouldn't be any need to update the software via 19.2E, it's not the same as doing an update on Sky or FreeSat (or Freeview) for example. If you're missing channels, its easiest to find out what TP (transponder) they're on (from flysat.com), and scan the individual TPs, or do an Autoscan from the menus. You can then delete/reorder channels as you feel fit.

bamjames

i have the system set up, im pointing it at the satellite that has bbc(astra 19.2 i think),but the bbc channels dont show up i have all the other channels just not bbc

anyone know whats wrong?

mjsmyth

If you have all the other channels (ITV, Ch4 and so on), the BBC channels can be found on these frequencies:

10.773, H, 22.0, 5/6

BBC One London
BBC Two England
BBC Four
CBBC
Cbeebies UK
BBC Three
BBC One Northern Ireland

10.788, V, 22.0, 5/6

BBC One West Midlands
BBC One North West
BBC One East Yorkshire & Lincolnshire
BBC One Yorkshire & North Midlands
BBC One East Midlands
BBC One East

10.803, H, 22.0, 5/6

BBC One Wales
BBC Two Wales
BBC One Scotland
BBC Two Scotland
BBC Two Northern Ireland
BBC Radio Five Live
BBC Radio Five Live Sports Extra

10.818, V, 22.0, 5/6

BBC One West
BBC One South East
BBC One South
BBC One South West
BBC One North East & Cumbria
BBC One Oxford


10.847 V, 22.0, 5/6

BBC One Cambridge
BBC One Channel Islands
BBC HD


11.954, H, 27.5, 2/3

BBC News
BBC Parliament
BBC Stream 4 0
BBC Stream 4 1
BBC Radio 1
BBC Radio 2
BBC Radio 3
BBC Radio 4 DAB
BBC Radio 4 LW
BBC Radio Scotland AM
BBC Radio Wales FM
BBC Radio Ulster FM
BBC Asian Network
BBC World Service UK
BBC Radio Cymru
BBC 1Xtra
BBC 6 Music
BBC 7
BBC Radio nan Gaidheal
BBC London 94.9 FM


12.441, V, 27.5, 2/3

BBC Stream 3 0
BBC Stream 3 1
BBC Stream 3 2
BBC Stream 3 3
BBC Stream 3 4
BBC Stream 3 5
BBC Stream 3 6

mj

bamjames

i dont have itv or channel 4 either,
i have none of the lets say england based channels even tho its at the right direction

muincav

you are pointing at the wrong sat-you should be pointing at Astra 2A, 28.2°E,
so-try, try again:p

bamjames

but my reciever says that it is pointed at that sat!

biologikal

Astra 19.2 is not where the BBC channels are. What channels are you getting? Chances are that there are loads of German channels, so you will need to move your dish more east (9 degrees), and point it slightly lower.

The reciever isn't clever enough to be able to tell you that it's pointing at any particular satellite - you have to know the receiver well enough to determine where it's pointing; invest a little time, ask some questions, and it'll all become clearer.

Dey were Sooted

Okay

I got the lidl package a few months ago and set it up fine and got it working - i did notice that in the rain some of the channels stopped working so i go a defunct bigger dish from a friend of mine and hooked the equip up to that put it in place and it worked fine - still not great in the rain but somewhat better - i went back up the ladder yesterday to give it a tweak but now i have lost channels e4,e4+1 , more 4 bbc1 2 and 4 and for the life of me i cannot get em back no matter how much i try to set the dish in the right position . i have done a rescan also and to no joy -

is there a tp setting which is best set at to work off the signal meters- i am also using the earpiece scanner povided with the package .
regards and any help will be greatly appriciated
Gav

pjproby

don't suppose anyone knows which chipset is in the latest lidl-silvercrest sl65 unit?

Dey were Sooted

addition to above ****

i've managed to find the bbc channels now by deleting and running a tp scan - i've also done this with the e4 / more 4 channels but they are coming thru broken up - signal int 93% quality 35-60% - for the rest of the channels i am getting the intes is 93% and qual is around 70 and stable .
tp 10729v for e4/more 4 channels
channel 4 and more 4 +1 are okay

hope this helps somewhat

oh no wait - more 4 +1 film 4 channel 4 are now also gone

***smashes head against wall***