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Work??? Feck that.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Wertz wrote: »
    Sort of in the same boat as you mate...the best part is when things go pear shaped in our world, the bitches down the social tell you you're entitled to nothing.

    They would deny you based on what grounds? You are motivated? Have brains??? Ireland sucks at this moment :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    delllat wrote: »
    i beleieve most of the peoplle who are saying they would gladly work 40hours a week to get an extra €50 are talking through their holes

    that wouuld be the financial equivalent of working for €1.25 an hour in a country where living expenses are so high that you cant buy anything with €1.25 anyway


    if there was any justice the minimum wage would be doubled to €18 quid an hour

    they way it stands nobody going to get off their arses for €1.25 an hour

    the system is fcuked ,people are only making the smart decision
    Or maybe they can just sweep the free dole fund out from under yer feet, put the money toward improving the PRSI, and then you'd be working for 8.50 an hour, while still being a marginally competitive workforce on this planet?

    just a thought.


  • Registered Users Posts: 342 ✭✭white apples


    MacGyver wrote: »
    Ive paid my taxes and would like to see the money to go to people and places that Deserve it, not some lazy biatch that is too far up her own arse to do some work.

    I agree completely, but this "lazy biatch" didn't decide what your taxes should be spent on, the government did - why is all the anger on this forum directed at this girl rather than the government who created this situation in the first place. Bitching and moaning about people looking out for themselves and their interests is so typically Irish.

    Why doesen't anybody stand up and protest and make their voices heard to the people running the country if they feel so angry about it, instead of venting it all out on boards which isn't going to acomplish anything!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 578 ✭✭✭30txsbzmcu2k9w


    I was taxed 510 euros this month so she can go fúck herself. Well done OP :)


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Overheal wrote: »
    Whats the point of a Minimum wage then, if nobody will work for it?


    There is no point in a minimum wage when you have a social welfare system like ours. Our Welfare rates set the bar as illustrated by this thread.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    which why you need to get rid of that crap. Or reform it at least. From my own experience I must have heard of a dozen people I know personally, scamming the dole one way or the other. But I never knew that much about it. Did I report them: no, Im foreign. I dont know how to do such things - all I know is that its easy enough for everyone (and their mothers) to scam the current system. New checks and balances need to implemented to make sure the people on it are on it because they need to be on it, not because theyre too lazy to get off it, or are trying to supplement their cash income.

    I mean for instance, if they had run a credit check/consumer report on that woman they would have seen the 2006 SUV she just got. How many really needy people could have been fed and boarded with the money that went into that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    DarkJager wrote: »
    No he did so because she's a leech who wants to sit around on her lazy ass while everyone else pays for her dole.
    .

    Well that's quite clearly wrong otherwise she wouldn't have applied for the job, gone to interview and accepted the offer. That would not be logical behaviour for a lazy ass. All that heppened was that she realised she wasn't benefitting financially from the job. Now I agree something is wrong with the system for this to happen but you can't blame her for it.

    The system surely needs to change - perhaps people on low wages should still be permitted to recieve some form of state benefit to make the wage more reasonable/worthwhile


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,463 ✭✭✭Riddle101


    I hate people who abuse the system. There are hard working people, just barely scraping by everyday, willing to do anything for a job. And these abusers, who have been given a chance to earn something in life and not be leaches are taking advantage of the dole system and refusing to work.

    OP I think you should go to the dole office, report the b!tch to the authorties and they might cut her off. She deserves it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 804 ✭✭✭TimTim


    They would deny you based on what grounds? You are motivated? Have brains??? Ireland sucks at this moment :(

    Probably on the grounds you aren't paying the same PRSI as everybody else. Company directors/self employed people pay a different rate of PRSI.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ass


    lmao you're angry at someone because they didn't accept a job you offered them that pays peanuts.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,813 ✭✭✭themadchef


    cougar1 wrote: »
    The trouble these days is there are plenty of people who paid their taxes and their dues over the past 10-15 years to prop up our sham of an economy and now see themselves on the dole through no fault of their own

    But she was offered a perfectly decent job? So is it not her fault ....as she turned it down.
    cougar1 wrote: »
    Not everyone can share the same enthusiasm in cleaning toilets, or working in McDonald's as some on here.

    I for one take offence to that. I have a degree and years of experience in my line of work. I clean the toilets if they need a "deep clean" IE wall scrubbing, hand and knees and scrub the living daylights out of the place. It is far from beneath me. Why? No job is beneath even the highest paid member of staff on our team. How can i ask you to do something i'm not prepared to do myself.

    Working is now a choice. "Will i stay on the dole or take that job" should not be a difficult decision. Sure there are people who have just been let go and would give thier right arm to get the job that girl turned down. Why then is the government rewarding those that refuse employment of any kind? Are we to subsides indefinately? or just until they find non existant €25 / hr jobs?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 585 ✭✭✭lisajane


    Ah sure why bother work if you're better off on the dole. I want to go back to college and im not entitled to any grant or any type os assistance. They expect me to live on nothing. And yet after six months on the dole, i would be entitled to a grant for the duration of the course.
    I hate the work i am in and i think i would be better of on the dole. There is seriously something wrong somewhere.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭delllat


    Overheal wrote: »
    Or maybe they can just sweep the free dole fund out from under yer feet, put the money toward improving the PRSI, and then you'd be working for 8.50 an hour, while still being a marginally competitive workforce on this planet?

    just a thought.

    yeah but realistically they are not going to cancel welfare ,its here and its staying ,hence the amount of freeloaders enjoying it

    when there is choice of a lazy option to take human nature dictates people will take it

    205-dole
    100-rent allowance/mortgage relief
    10 free doctor /dentist/medical

    total=315+nice relaxing life of leisure




    350-minimum wage job after tax
    -20 transport to work
    -10 doctor /dentist/medical


    total=320+working like a slave


  • Registered Users Posts: 35 ilikerashers


    At least she had some interest in working.

    Dole is such a bonanza here and if you don't go in to claim your prize, someone else'll do it for you.

    Completely agree with the typical irish attitude comment too, why not raise it as an economic concern as opposed to nailing someone (or can you think outside of that amazing minimum wage business you run).

    Nothing like irish to screw irish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    At least she had some interest in working.

    Dole is such a bonanza here and if you don't go in to claim your prize, someone else'll do it for you.

    Completely agree with the typical irish attitude comment too, why not raise it as an economic concern as opposed to nailing someone (or can you think outside of that amazing minimum wage business you run).

    Nothing like irish to screw irish.
    Definitely something to talk to your local canvassers about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    <Ollie> wrote: »
    €9.50 is a perfect decent wage and then you ask OP "what kind of job is it?"

    It's a little more than the dole, tbh. It all depends then, how far she has to travel, has she kids, is the employer taking advantage of the economic mess? (ie taking her for a ride). Is is actually worth her while going to work?

    How is €380 "a little" more than €204?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    TimTim wrote: »
    Probably on the grounds you aren't paying the same PRSI as everybody else. Company directors/self employed people pay a different rate of PRSI.

    Ah ok, thanks for that. I new they payed a differant sort of tax, but was unanaware that they cannot claim like every other citizen is allowed to, speaking of which, where is that guy?

    I think she might have a case if she said to the social welfare office that she wanted to find a job to match her skillset...? Giving that, I do not know this womans skillset ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,227 ✭✭✭gamer


    This was debated on the joe duffy show .A woman,single mother was offered a full time job in a shop 9euro per hour.She went thru her expenses and said it makes no financial sense taking the job.
    SHE said its not worth my while taking a job on that wage ,id have to pay childminders etc pay for petrol lunches etc I reckon a single mother would need to be paid at least 550 after tax to make it worth your while to work 40 hours .Meanwhile a single mother can work partime and earn about 160euro without effecting her welfare payments.THE welfare system is very complicated theres also things like chidrens allowance medical cards etc which have to be taken into account.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 460 ✭✭twanda


    There has to be something seriously wrong with the system, when people on the dole are not grabbing a job offer with both hands!
    Our social welfare supplements really need to be re-evaluated again!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    gamer wrote: »
    This was debated on the joe duffy show .A woman,single mother was offered a full time job in a shop 9euro per hour.She went thru her expenses and said it makes no financial sense taking the job.
    SHE said its not worth my while taking a job on that wage ,id have to pay chidminders etc pay for petrol lunches etc I reckon a single mother would need to be paid at least 550 after tax to make it worth your while to work 40 hours .Meanwhile a single mother can work partime and earn about 160euro without effecting her welfare payments.THE welfare system is very complicated theres also things like chidrens allowance medical cards etc which have to be taken into account.

    It's not up to her to decide whether shes better off on the dole. The dole is for people who cant get work, not people who dont think they want to work or dont fancy it because they wouldnt be on any more money.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 460 ✭✭twanda


    +1 to the above. Too many people view the dole as an 'alternative income' - maybe that's a sign that it's too much!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ass


    This roughly translates to:

    "Hey woman, take this job because its a job and anyone on the dole is a scrub. I don't care if you have 9 children and the job only pays minimum wage. If you're on the dole and you get a job offer of any kind you have to take it with out even questioning whether the job you get offered is even capable of sustaining you financially. Scrub"

    She is entitled to claim the dole until she has found a job. When you are one the dole and looking for a job, you are not obligated to change the requirements of the job you're looking for just because you're on the dole. Waiting for a job that makes more sense financially is not the same as scrounging off the government, regardless of what you think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,798 ✭✭✭Local-womanizer


    Senna wrote: »
    Seriously, PM me, if i can help any boardise.
    The jobs in Letterkenny and there will be a few positions over time.

    Sweet!What is it you run?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    Dave! wrote: »
    Nah I'm just visiting relatives, so it's costing f*ck all

    But that's beside the point :) And that is that I'm entitled to benefit but not claiming it

    Do you want a medal? You obviously don't need the money otherwise you wouldn't be talking such rubbish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    Stekelly wrote: »
    How is €380 "a little" more than €204?

    PRSI, income levies, no medical card, no fuel allowance, no rent allowance, travel to/from work, etc etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Ass wrote: »
    She is entitled to claim the dole until she has found a job. When you are one the dole and looking for a job, you are not obligated to change the requirements of the job you're looking for just because you're on the dole. Waiting for a job that makes more sense financially is not the same as scrounging off the government, regardless of what you think.

    She has been on the dole for a year. That job ain't coming


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    Stekelly wrote: »
    It's not up to her to decide whether shes better off on the dole. The dole is for people who cant get work, not people who dont think they want to work or dont fancy it because they wouldnt be on any more money.

    Yes it is up to her. If the government give her these benefits then why shouldn't she take them? The banks are getting billions and no-one bats an eyelid. Farmers are effectively getting multiples of the dole for decades. Yet people get worked up about a woman who makes a perfectly rational decision.

    The old Irish snobbery kicking in again. Makes me sick.

    Now whether the dole is too generous - that's a whole other argument.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    professore wrote: »
    PRSI, income levies, no medical card, no fuel allowance, no rent allowance, travel to/from work, etc etc.
    Why the :confused::confused::confused::confused: does the government pay out Fuel Allowance. shouldnt they just buy everyone a couch? Where are you going to drive to? Maybe they should give out a vacation allowance to the unemployed as well.

    I mean FFS you might as well plug everyone in and get some use out of them the way this is starting to sound.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ass


    People talking about the dole as if it's shameful to be claiming it. It's an entitlement.
    She has been on the dole for a year. That job ain't coming

    That means nothing. I know quite a few people who have been actively been searching for jobs for the half a year to a year who are claiming dole benefits. Sure they could go get a job in McDonald's for the sake of having a job, but the fact is that job wont cut it, especially considering that they have families.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭c4cat


    twanda wrote: »
    There has to be something seriously wrong with the system, when people on the dole are not grabbing a job offer with both hands!
    Our social welfare supplements really need to be re-evaluated again!

    No social welfare should be left alone What is wrong is the min wages are poverty wages if they are set below SW rates which are ment to only sustain an existance, so there is very little disposable income from all of us joe publics. So what should be done, well the fatcats who are creaming in the money and hording it from their business can buy a few regular 3 bed houses on just one years income which joe public needs 25 yrs or more just to pay for one. the fatcats are the ones starving the economy Those fatcats should be taking in far less for themselves and paying their workers much more then min wage. result will be that more money from greater disposable income from all of the joe publics will circulate in the economy instead of being horded by the fatcats. More money circulating generates more demand for goods and services thus creating even more jobs. Those on Social Welfare would be encouraged to get a job cos they would see more cash in their pocket by working


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭c4cat


    Overheal wrote: »
    Why the :confused::confused::confused::confused: does the government pay out Fuel Allowance. shouldnt they just buy everyone a couch? Where are you going to drive to? Maybe they should give out a vacation allowance to the unemployed as well.

    I mean FFS you might as well plug everyone in and get some use out of them the way this is starting to sound.
    Fuel allowence is for heating the home not for driving


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    professore wrote: »
    PRSI, income levies, no medical card, no fuel allowance, no rent allowance, travel to/from work, etc etc.

    Thats not what was said and not everyone is entitled to anything more than the dole itselfr.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    professore wrote: »
    Yes it is up to her. If the government give her these benefits then why shouldn't she take them? .

    Because its there for people who cant get a job, nothing else.

    professore wrote: »
    The banks are getting billions and no-one bats an eyelid. .

    Not that its any way connected to the dole, but do you think all the banks suddenly implodign would be a good thing for some reason? The banks are beyond essential.




    professore wrote: »
    The old Irish snobbery kicking in again. Makes me sick.

    The fact that people view the dole as an income choice rather than a nessecity for when you cant get an income makes me sick.

    Thinking that taking from the system when theres no resason why you cant be working and contributing to it instead is ok is a ridiculous attitude for so many to have,




  • Ass wrote: »
    People talking about the dole as if it's shameful to be claiming it. It's an entitlement.

    That's exactly what's wrong with the country. It's seen as an entitlement rather than the last resort. I wish all the dole spongers would go live in the US for a while and see how long they last on their welfare. And no, I'm not talking about people genuinely desperate for a job, I'm talking about people like OP's former employee. Ireland really is an absolute joke.
    What is getting really annoying and old is the "everyone on the dole is scum leeching alcho stoner lazy bastards..." bla bla bla... People who say this do not have a clue what they are talking about and need to wake up to reality :) I always hoped that people that say this would lose their jobs, that way they would know what they are saying is complete crap :)

    I certainly never said that. I've no problem with my taxes going towards people who need the money. I do have a problem with people thinking they're too good for minimum wage jobs and choosing the dole over earning money. And actually , I DID lose my job last year. I moved to another country to find work, on my own. If I hadn't been in a position to move (kids, mortgage), I would have taken a minimum wage job. I certainly didn't sit around whinging about how the world owes me a living. It actually never even occured to me to just go on the dole. It's nice that it's there if I ever genuinely need it, as it should be, but I don't understand the sense of entitlement so many Irish people seem to have. Social welfare is supposed to be a safety net to protect people from poverty, not a lifestyle choice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    [quote=[Deleted User];60378194]That's exactly what's wrong with the country. It's seen as an entitlement rather than the last resort. I wish all the dole spongers would go live in the US for a while and see how long they last on their welfare. And no, I'm not talking about people genuinely desperate for a job, I'm talking about people like OP's former employee. Ireland really is an absolute joke. [/quote]
    I must recommend to you:

    http://www.amazon.com/Scratch-Beginnings-Search-American-Dream/dp/0061714364
    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭luckat


    I'm still wondering if Senna filled the job.

    The first posters who wanted dibs on her job, Conchubar1, sdonn, Irishvamp90, pingu_girl, Disease_Ridden, are you all living and working in Letterkenny now?

    According to David McWilliams, Letterkenny is in shock:

    http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2009/05/17/why-bail-out-our-bust-banks
    Last Wednesday morning, the dole queue on High Road in Letterkenny extended for about half a mile, out past the social welfare office, up past the Mace supermarket and on up towards the roundabout and De Valera Road. Up to the right is the ghost estate of empty houses which will never sell and will be used to house welfare recipients - locals and immigrants.

    This is Letterkenny, or ‘‘Letterkenya’’ as one person described it tome, formerly the commercial hub of north Donegal; now, judging from the traffic, the gateway to Strabane.

    The original poster on this thread, Senna, hasn't come back to say what the job was, to say what his turnover rate for staff is, or to say whether he's employed any of those who rushed eagerly to volunteer.

    Curious minds want to know!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭Highsider


    luckat wrote: »
    How's €380 after tax?

    I'd say both Senna and his or her former employee are better off without each other.

    Senna because s/he can now employ the eager posters here, who I'm sure have hotfooted it up to Donegal to work for him/her.

    The ex-employee because she's no longer working for someone who grasses her up, rather than saying "Let's sit down and have a cup of coffee and go over the figures.")
    Amen to that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ass


    [quote=[Deleted User];60378194]That's exactly what's wrong with the country. It's seen as an entitlement rather than the last resort. I wish all the dole spongers would go live in the US for a while and see how long they last on their welfare. And no, I'm not talking about people genuinely desperate for a job, I'm talking about people like OP's former employee. Ireland really is an absolute joke. [/QUOTE]
    It is an entitlement.

    If a set of conditions need to exist for you to be able to claim your entitlement, how is that entitlement not the same as being a last resort? Everyone on the dole is a sponger to you.

    The problem with arrogance in Ireland is that there are too many people like you who simply don't quite understand things in this country.
    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ass


    Lets take what the OP says at face value. Lets just call the woman in the op a sponger and a worthless piece of **** with out even trying to take in to consideration, the womans personal circumstances.




  • Ass wrote: »
    It is an entitlement.

    If a set of conditions need to exist for you to be able to claim your entitlement, how is that entitlement not the same as being a last resort? Everyone on the dole is a sponger to you.

    The problem with arrogance in Ireland is that there are too many people like you who simply don't quite understand things in this country.

    No, I DO understand things in this country. That's what infuriates me. Did you read my post? I said I have no problem with people who genuinely CAN'T get a job. This woman was offered a job paying more than the dole and turned it out because 'it wasn't worth it.' That shows a tremendous lack of ethics and laziness. The dole is NOT a last resort if you are offered a job paying a good bit above minimum wage and you turn it down. How can you not see that? This particular woman has committed a crime by turning down work in favour of staying on the dole, so how exactly is she 'entitled' to it? She is fraudulently receiving taxpayer's money because she can't be bothered to work for a very reasonable wage.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ass


    [quote=[Deleted User];60380316]No, I DO understand things in this country. That's what infuriates me. Did you read my post? I said I have no problem with people who genuinely CAN'T get a job. This woman was offered a job paying more than the dole and turned it out because 'it wasn't worth it.' That shows a tremendous lack of ethics and laziness. The dole is NOT a last resort if you are offered a job paying a good bit above minimum wage and you turn it down. How can you not see that? This particular woman has committed a crime by turning down work in favour of staying on the dole, so how exactly is she 'entitled' to it? She is fraudulently receiving taxpayer's money because she can't be bothered to work for a very reasonable wage.[/QUOTE]I see you've taken where the op has said "a bit over minimum wage", and changed it to "a good bit over minimum wage".

    Lets assume a hypothetical situation here for a minute. Lets assume we have a person. Lets assume person A is a single mother with a set of skills, but due to there being a recession on at the minute, jobs in her particular field of work are hard to find. Also, the fact that she is a single mother means of any jobs that actually are available to her, only a small portion of those jobs are actually suitable.

    Now, this person gets a part time job as a trial, proving that she is actively searching for a job. After a two week trial she gets offered a full time job and she accepts.

    Later on that week, she looks at her pay check and does the math. She thinks to herself "This is ****ing arse and earning this much money just wont cut it". It makes no sense for her to take a job that she's getting underpaid for, that will barely support her when she has a child to support as well.

    She comes to the conclusion that her current situation on the dole is better until something more suitable comes along.

    You are telling me that this woman is a criminal? Now I've substituted a woman with a child to support in to the place of the woman in the op. It is entirely possible that the woman in the op wasn't a single mother, but we weren't given a set of personal circumstances, so we don't know.

    Also, the op states that she was mad, therefor we can assume that because she was mad her portrayal of how things unfolded is going to be pretty biased.

    Anyway. Seeing as you are now making things up in order to strengthen your argument, I feel there is no point further debating this with you.
    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on




  • Ass wrote: »
    I see you've taken where the op has said "a bit over minimum wage", and changed it to "a good bit over minimum wage".

    Lets assume a hypothetical situation here for a minute. Lets assume we have a person. Lets assume person A is a single mother with a set of skills, but due to there being a recession on at the minute, jobs in her particular field of work are hard to find. Also, the fact that she is a single mother means of any jobs that actually are available to her, only a small portion of those jobs are actually suitable.

    Now, this person gets a part time job as a trial, proving that she is actively searching for a job. After a two week trial she gets offered a full time job and she accepts.

    Later on that week, she looks at her pay check and does the math. She thinks to herself "This is ****ing arse and earning this much money just wont cut it". It makes no sense for her to take a job that she's getting underpaid for, that will barely support her when she has a child to support as well.

    She comes to the conclusion that her current situation on the dole is better until something more suitable comes along.

    You are telling me that this woman is a criminal? Now I've substituted a woman with a child to support in to the place of the woman in the op. It is entirely possible that the woman in the op wasn't a single mother, but we weren't given a set of personal circumstances, so we don't know.

    Also, the op states that she was mad, therefor we can assume that because she was mad her portrayal of how things unfolded is going to be pretty biased.

    Anyway. Seeing as you are now making things up in order to strengthen your argument, I feel there is no point further debating this with you.

    Eh, 9.50 IS a 'good bit' over minimum wage. OP has told us how much he was going to pay her, and we know what the minimum wage is, so what exactly have I 'made up'?

    And as for what you posted, yes, I still think that is unethical. I know some people have it harder than others, but what if everyone in the world took that attitude? Who would be paying for all these single mothers and people who don't think it's worthwhile to work for 'only' 9.50 an hour? Do you think only company executives and stockbrokers pay taxes? The point is that people need to take responsibility for their own situation. I've worked hard through college, after college and will be working my way through my Masters because I'm not 'entitled' to a penny from the state. I'm not entitled to a medical card because I've always worked. I'm as poor as anyone on the dole. Why should my taxes be subsidising someone who chooses not to work?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Naikon


    Ass wrote: »
    lmao you're angry at someone because they didn't accept a job you offered them that pays peanuts.

    That reminds me. You pay peanuts, you get monkeys:pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ass


    [quote=[Deleted User];60380756]Eh, 9.50 IS a 'good bit' over minimum wage. OP has told us how much he was going to pay her, and we know what the minimum wage is, so what exactly have I 'made up'?

    And as for what you posted, yes, I still think that is unethical. I know some people have it harder than others, but what if everyone in the world took that attitude? Who would be paying for all these single mothers and people who don't think it's worthwhile to work for 'only' 9.50 an hour? Do you think only company executives and stockbrokers pay taxes? The point is that people need to take responsibility for their own situation. I've worked hard through college, after college and will be working my way through my Masters because I'm not 'entitled' to a penny from the state. I'm not entitled to a medical card because I've always worked. I'm as poor as anyone on the dole. Why should my taxes be subsidising someone who chooses not to work?[/QUOTE]
    Yeah, ok you win. It's unethical to make wise financial decisions.
    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Ass wrote: »
    Yeah, ok you win. It's unethical to make wise financial decisions.
    So whats it like? Being so far to the left that you cant even see the line anymore?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    Ass wrote: »
    Later on that week, she looks at her pay check and does the math. She thinks to herself "This is ****ing arse and earning this much money just wont cut it". It makes no sense for her to take a job that she's getting underpaid for, that will barely support her when she has a child to support as well.

    She comes to the conclusion that her current situation on the dole is better until something more suitable comes along.

    You are telling me that this woman is a criminal?

    I'm going to debate with you on the grounds of YOUR hypothetical situation.

    Yes. She is a criminal. She is fit to work, at a job that pays more than what the statutory payments are, pay PRSI and PAYE, contribute to the economy, both local AND national, why can't she?

    She's claiming social welfare, not because she can't find a job, but because it doesn't suit her?

    Social welfare FRAUD like this is crippling our already poor coffers.

    I have no problem with people claiming welfare because they cannot get a job. She was offered one, tried it for a week, decided it wasn't for her, and went back on the dole.

    Oh, she might have a mortgage or whatever? F*ck her. Let the social take it off her, she might think twice about fraud after that.

    Also, why couldn't she do her maths BEFORE taking the job, wasting the employers time and money (Yes it does cost money to hire people and train them, and then to leave? Wasted money)

    I also hate when people say "Sure, she'd only be working for €50 a week."
    No, no she wouldn't. She would be working for €380 a week. There is a difference. The €50 may be a difference in what she is receiving now and what she would be receiving on the dole, but it is not what she is working for.

    Well done OP, I'm going with the mentality of f*ck them and bad drivers, I'm reporting the lot.




  • Ass wrote: »
    Yeah, ok you win. It's unethical to make wise financial decisions.

    Right, OK, so let's all quit our jobs then. You think 9.50 is peanuts, so I'm obviously insane for working for not much more in a job requiring a college degree and postgrad cert. Let's all stop working until meanies like OP agree to pay us 30 euro an hour for a standing behind a counter, because that's what we all deserve, damn it! Sure, money grows on trees, doesn't it? What is this 'earn' word people speak of, I don't understand it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    I also hate when people say "Sure, she'd only be working for €50 a week."
    No, no she wouldn't. She would be working for €380 a week. There is a difference. The €50 may be a difference in what she is receiving now and what she would be receiving on the dole, but it is not what she is working for.
    It would cost her 200 quid a week to pay for childcare and she would lose her rent allowance.

    Its not financially viable for the single mother in the example to work for 350 euro a week.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ass


    CiaranC wrote: »
    It would cost her 200 quid a week to pay for childcare and she would lose her rent allowance.

    Its not financially viable for the single mother in the example to work for 350 euro a week.
    Charles Scarce Selflessness doesn't quite get making rational financial decisions. That's why he/she has is earning just over 9.50 an hour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭high horse


    CiaranC wrote: »
    It would cost her 200 quid a week to pay for childcare and she would lose her rent allowance.

    Its not financially viable for the single mother in the example to work for 350 euro a week.

    Can we at least read the whole thread before inventing details to this womans life? OP said there are no kids and she does have a partner, so she is neither single or a mother

    It wouldn't matter that she would lose her rent allowance because she would have her own money to pay for rent.


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