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Work??? Feck that.
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Leave job seekers benefits alone, many people pay PRSI for years and years and now the system is there for them. And if I lose my job I'll be queing to apply for JSB the very next day. No shame, yes it is an "entitlement"
But what to do with the long-term unemployed?
Well we have FAS courses, Community Employment Schemes and probably lots of other schemes.
So what's going wrong?
If you are long-term unemployed why are you not in a FAS centre every day of the week and not buying bags of cans?
Oh the outcry when the bonus was cut. Something that was 2% of the annual payment to an individual.
Can't wait for the outcry when the job seekers allowance scheme is slashed for ALL applicants.
And it will be cut and the media will scream about hitting vulnerable people but what is currently be done isn't working0 -
But what to do with the long-term unemployed?
Well we have FAS courses, Community Employment Schemes and probably lots of other schemes.
So what's going wrong?
If you are long-term unemployed why are you not in a FAS centre every day of the week and not buying bags of cans?
FAS courses and Community Employment Schemes are extremely difficult to get on with very long waiting lists and they don't actually help you that much most FAS courses are just something to keep a person busy for a short while with no guaranty of employment afterwords. FAS has need a complete overhaul for years as it is a complete joke in actually helping unemployed people.
As for the women who left the job because she was better off on the dole, Who can blame her I was the same before work part time for 180 a week or stay on the dole for 200 and get my medical card aswell.0 -
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Sofiztikated wrote: »Iamxavier, Social welfare fraud is a crime.
True.She is committing a crime.
Oh yea, the crime of refusing to take a job, gotta look out for that one. Now, tell me, what crime has she committed exactly? This is laughable.Therefore, she is a criminal.
Again, you are just making crap up... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:That woman has no reason not to take that job.
Yes, the system is flawed, but she doesn't have to take advantage of it.
Get off your high horse, she had every right to decline a job that will leave her worse off financialy.On the other hand if she was to work she would be getting €380 per week. Of this 254 is going to her and the rest, €136 is going to the state. That means the state has a balance of +136
Those figgures are completely wrong. Where did you get them from?Therefore, by working she is also contributing to the running of the country rather than scrounging from it!
Minimum wage workers pre levy contribute very very little to the country.By the way i don't feel that everyone on the dole is scrounging, but if you are offered a job and dont take it you are a scrounger!
If you are offered a sh!t job for sh!t wages then you have a brain...You assume the woman who works the till at the newsagents is somehow getting the suggested 500 euro a month to treat her to get the fcuk out of her house and contribute to society?
This sentence makes no sence to me...Thats the tripe tbh. There are thousands of people in Ireland working for the minimum wage and its not because they arent eligible for the dole. Its called Work Ethic, and Self Respect.
Yea and who are these people in part time jobs? I tell you who, all the kids, students and foreigners. Those people who are not eligible for social welfare. Most of them jobs are only 15 - 20 hours a week. Which sucks balls. Don't give me that snobber "work ethic and self respect" sh!te, it's a load of balls in situations like these. 2 years ago you would have an argument, but that bullsh!t doesn't mean anything now. Worth ethic, LOL, self respect, LOL.... wake up.Ok then. So not everyone is not on the minimum wage. But how did they get up above the minimum wage? Luck? Sexual favors? Or Hard Work?
Are you taking the piss or something?
[quote=[Deleted User];60382416]Indeed. So what do you suggest then, should the government cut social welfare because people are too weak to resist taking it when they don't genuinely need it? [/quote]
I am not running for government, I am not here to fix the problem, I suggest you talk to whoever you are voting for, I don't really care about the system, right now it works perfect for me.
Most people are talking crap here, "I wouldn't take something that was easy to take, it's morally wrong" laughable crap. Wrongfully taking it is a differant matter.It's an entitlement for someone who cannot find work, not someone who is picking and choosing what kind of work they want to do.
This proves outright that you don't have a clue about how social welfare works, your posts are personal opinions, nothing more. People on social welfare have every right to decline work.
The op won't get anywhere reporting her. Nowhere at all.It IS a lifestyle choice for many people in Ireland.
Nah, it's a minority.Are you blind?
Is this a trick question?If the dole is so awful
Where did I say it was "soooo awfull...". It's greatthen why have the shops been staffed by Poles and other foreigners for the last ten years?
We didn't have the workforce for our growth.Because for some reason, Irish people think it is preferable to leech from the state rather than take jobs which are 'beneath them.
Yea, 450,000 people in ireland won't work for less than 100K a year... I am one of those people :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:And remember that's 204 a week plus rent allowance, fuel allowance and all the other little 'extras' provided by the taxpayer.
The level of pay is completely differant. Some get 80 a week, some 204, some get no extras some get all... you cannot say that everyone on social welfare gets the maximum allowance.Crap money in relation to what? It's great money compared to what you earn for unskilled work in most places, including places where the cost of living is similar or even higher than in Ireland.
Who cares about other places. The money is still crap, in relation to the cost of life in Ireland. Especially in the likes of Dublin.It's almost a euro higher. Not as if it's five cents higher.
Wow... an extra 40 euro a week. Prior to the levy it was better, now it is just crap.It's impossible to survive on a minimum wage job now, is it?
Where did I say that?How do you figure that out?
I didn't figure it out, you put words in my mouth O.o.Have you ever been outside Ireland?
Plenty of times.Have you ever been to a country where you are expected to work for a living and welfare really is the bare minimum?
Yea they sucked balls... would never in a million years live thereIf you could read
I can read...you'd see I'm working full time. Was made redundant and moved to find more work. I said I also worked (and paid tax) during college.
Masters = student = college...Yes, checked it out.
There is a reason why you are not entitled to it, you haven't paid enough tax, still living at home with mammy? There are reasons...I have looked into it and was told I was not entitled because I worked. And I said it wasn't an entitlement when you didn't need it. Stop picking and choosing your arguments.
News flash, people who work can also claim social welfare and the medical card.... :eek: You earn more than the tresh hold if you are unable to get it. You can also claim for differant types of medical cards.And where did that money come from? From the sky? If all of us had your attitude, there would not BE any dole money to hand out!
If everyone had my attitude the world would be a much much better place.
The money came from the citizens, but it was never theirs... if it was, there would be no tax :eek:Yes, I would. There is a lot more to working than simply earning X amount of money. Sorry that you can't see that.
Abraham Maslow, born over a hundred years ago, came up with a "heirarchy of needs", I am quite familiar with the differant reasons as to why people work. Unfortunately I do not believe you would work for less money to save your pride. People who do this are pretty foolish, and in fact, BLIND themselves...
Stop being so concerned about my eyes, they are perfect.Peanuts compared to what? How much money do you think people should earn for unskilled work?
Minimum wage, that's what it is there for, unskilled work. The money is still peanuts. Peanuts compared to a decent wage. which is only about 22K a year. Still that is not that great. Min wage nets you about 15K a year... that's a right poxy amount of money to live on.I'm working in a fairly badly paid job at the moment because there isn't much out there and because I'm going back to college this year. It is enough for me to survive on and save a little and provides me with a lot of experience, I meet interesting people, I have something productive to do every day and it's something I can continue to do part time to fund my Masters. But of course you think I'm an idiot because I should be at home watching Jeremy Kyle and whinging that there are no jobs.
Where did I state that you should be doing that? I love how people put words in my mouth. Stop doing that.
You gotta work through college, I had 3 jobs at one stage while sitting my ordinary degree final exams, but that's just me. I have always had at least one job most of the time I had two. I would like to have even one job now, but it is pretty difficult... actually it is extremely difficult. Dole is fine for me for now, like most people on the dole, it is a temporary thing.
Problem with fas is that it is SH!T... you have to be unemployed for a year to get any course, numbers are seriously low for the courses, they chop and change and cancel when they want if there are any problems, and they don't let anyone know about it. Fas is the biggest waste of money...theres no point complaining about some slapper refusing a paid job when theres generations of skangers being bred into welfare families who have never worked and never will
Why is she a slapper?...there are scores of families like this in every council estate
Ah yes, the infamous council estate syndrome. Social welfare is isolated to only those in council estates... lol... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on0 -
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