The mark of the beast

simplistic

Hi everyone,this is my first post here but Ive been lurking for a while and I wanted to add somthing good.

A lot of people beleive that there is going to be a chip introduced which will be inserted into us men and women and it is known as the mark of the beast. Its from the bible (Im not a religious nut either) and I states:

"Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

Well I beleive the mark is already here in the form of your "name" and your number(PPS Number).For without these you cannot do business.

The name that you think is yours i.e. john paul smith is in fact owned by the government (they are the title holder).The birthcert created this legal person.

Im not sure if you guys have seen any of john harris or rob menard.

But there is a good site for Ireland called www.freemanireland.ning.com

I urge everyone to become concious of the fact even if you dont fully understand it or think its a conspiricay it is essential to be aware.

I look forward to your replies.
Peace and love

ilivetolearn

"Calling all Freemen of Ireland... It's time to get orgnised!"

I'm not investing my time in a site that won't spell-check their slogan. Its nothing personal against the OP or topic at hand. When it comes to websites my instincts usually serve me well under the five second rule.

The guy

ilivetolearn wrote: »

"Calling all Freemen of Ireland... It's time to get orgnised!"

I'm not investing my time in a site that won't spell-check their slogan. Its nothing personal against the OP or topic at hand. When it comes to websites my instincts usually serve me well under the five second rule.

It's also tír not tir.:p

Anyway, reported for spam.

humanji

Last time I bought bread in a shop I neither gave my name nor my PPS number.

Actually, I had a gander at the site and I'm really not sure whether it's a pisstake or not.

simplistic

humanji wrote: »

Last time I bought bread in a shop I neither gave my name nor my PPS number.

Actually, I had a gander at the site and I'm really not sure whether it's a pisstake or not.

But how did you get the money?

King Mob

The only thing a PPS number does is save time for civil servants.
That's it.

simplistic

Ok this is the simplest explanation I have found so far on the subject.


IN THE BEGINNING THERE WAS GOD…

…. AND DIRT

(but mostly GOD)
(yeah I know it looks like rust, but its dirt OK)

4.

God makes man from dirt
- Genesis 2:7 “the Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground…”
- Genesis 3:19b “…until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.”

5.

God’s creation “man”
known as “original issue”

‘ man’ issued from the ground and he is God’s creation…

Therefore whatever ‘man’ creates with his hands through his labor is his and also his “original issue”.

It is his… it is his property and can not be taxed... as long as he exchanges his property for something of equal value there is no “gain” and therefore no tax.

Keep that in mind because we are going to talk about Form 1099-OID, “original issue discount”, from the IRS.

6.

So let’s digress and
go back to your beginning…

7.

When you were born
your parents applied for a
certification / citizenship / part time* job…
with the [THE] “United States”
which is a corporation / company.

* “part time” because your full time job is you are working for YOU!!!

Your full time job you receive money of exchange, because you are exchanging your labor for other products and services of equal value.
There is no real gain , therefore no income, therefore no income tax.

8.

The application they made was known as “an application for a live birth certificate” and what issued from this application was known as a “birth certificate”

the ‘company’, the “United States” kept the original application and gave your parents a copy of a birth certificate.

This created what is known as a “foreign situs trust account”.

9.

Big, big problems though…

when you were born you in essence went to ‘work’ for the ‘company’.
Problem is, the ‘company’ you went to work for could not pay back the loans they had with the bank and the company had to go into bankruptcy in 1933, therefore they had no way to pay you…
furthermore, the company came to your parents and asked to borrow your assets, and your parents [unwittingly] obliged,

thus making you one of the companies’ creditors.

10.

Can you say “deception”?

the ‘company’ then took the application and pledged your future labor as a guarantee for payment to the bankers, also known as the International Monetary Fund (IMF). The bankers gave the company a credit for your application against the amount that the company owed the bankers, which at the time of your birth, was worth close to 1 million dollars. This transaction is what is referred to as a “money of account” transaction, as no real money changed hands. It was simply an accounting entry against the debt owed to the bankers, by the company.

11.

Deception ???

The bankers then took the [your] application, and used fractional banking lending. It is the birth certificate that is proof that an application was submitted. It is the application that is the real negotiable instrument and the birth certificate proves there is a negotiable instrument being used in commerce -- to borrow money.

12.

HUH??? What is that you say!

fractional banking If a [your] birth certificate is worth, say, 1 million, the bank can loan that same 1 million out as many as 9 times, thus making the [your] birth certificate worth 9 million; and it keeps going, going and going.

A [your] birth certificate, has almost unlimited value associated with it.

13.

Can you say “deception” again?

However, because as it was pledged, you became involved in what is known as “involuntary servitude” or basically a slave to the company, in what is known as an ‘invisible contract’ since you didn’t even know about it…

14.

Hum…sounds like when I acquired my car!

You got it bro… look at a [your] birth certificate and notice that it reads just like a title to a car; weight so many pounds… date of delivery… parties involved…certain size length… hey, now they will even get a foot print to prove it is you.

Think about it… what does the bank do when you borrow money on a car? They keep the “title” for “safe keeping” until the debt is paid. Once the debt is paid, they release the title back to the original owner. For now, you get the use of the car, until the debt is paid.

15.

- We must remember the “title” to the car IS NOT the car!

- This is the car……..
- They took the “title” to your body, the birth certificate and borrowed money against it. That is exactly what a birth certificate is, A TITLE.

- This is you…… (I know, not a pretty sight!) Remember, You are NOT the title. You are you. A Flesh and blood man or woman, not so much ink on paper.

16.

Me, I want my title back!!!

Since you are the only one who gives “value” to the birth certificate because of your labor,

you are the only one who can go to the ‘bank’ and redeem and regain control of the [your] birth certificate. Just like the car. The car gives value to the title to the car. You give value to the title, the [your] birth certificate. Without you, the birth certificate is worthless.

17.

Me, I want my title back!!!

Right now, even though they have no legal right or claim or lien, the bankers control your “title” / birth certificate.

You can regain control by simply filing a notice of lien against the birth certificate.

This is done every day. Banks file notices of liens with the Department of Commerce to prove and establish their interest in all kinds of property… homes, cars, tools, equipment.

18.

That’s right, I want my title back!!!

This is done very simply by contacting the Secretary of State or Department of Commerce and filing a UCC-1 Financing Statement and listing the property as collateral, on the statement. The same can be done with the birth certificate, which is your property. You and only you, can file this notice of lien… you and only you, can determine the value of the property. Since you are priceless in God’s eyes the value of your UCC-1 should be UNLIMITED.

19.

Are you ready for some good news???

Your debt, is actually “prepaid” with what is known as

“money of account.”

There is no real substance or “money of exchange” like gold and silver- only accounting-adjustments and set offs. They agreed to do this for you, with the passage of House Joint Resolution (HJR) 192 back in 1933. SWEET! Sign me up for that program! Truth is, you already ARE -- its just that no one told you about it, UNTIL NOW!

Like all good companies, they offer to their “employees” insurance benefits. They offer insurance to us if we would fill out a Form SS-5 also known as an “Application for Social Security Benefits”. This all originated from the “Shepard Towners Maternity act” which was to help new mothers with the care of their children if the mother was unwed. (this is why they ask for the maiden name of the mother on the “application for live birth certificate”. We are all considered to be “bastard children” with the ‘company’ as our ‘daddy’.)

20.

Are you ready for more good news???

The SS-5 is really a power of attorney for the company who issued the insurance benefit to the real man. Power of attorney was given to the corporation, [a/k/a] the government. When they established the new account they styled the name [TITLE] in ALL CAPS [JOHN HENRY DOE] which is really a corporation. It is the name/ title of a corporation. The Social Security Number (SSN) is [prima facie] evidence that there is an insurance policy. The benefits that one receives include the privilege of an army, navy, police, fire protection, courts, jails, prisons, etc.

21.

Are you ready for even more good news?

When we filled out the Form SS-5 we ‘allowed’ the ‘company’ access to our account, our check book as it were, the pre-paid account that was set-up when our birth certificate issued. We gave them permission as signers to write checks on our account, and they do all the time. Keep in mind, this is the same account the bankers fractionalized and created huge, almost unlimited sums of “money”, and we became ‘co-business partners’, with the ‘company’. They are able to access and use our pre-paid account, for whatever they deem necessary.

22.

So tell me, what's the catch?

Now, do you see why they don’t want to let a new-born out of the hospital, without a Social Security Account Number? They want access to that prepaid account, and the only way they can is if they offer some type of benefit that you [albeit unwittingly] accept, also known as, the social security insurance program.

The creation of the social security account created what is known as a “cestui-que trust account.”

23.

cestui que trust (ses-tee kay)

A cestui que trust is a formal Latin term referring to a beneficiary having an equitable interest in a trust, with the legal title being vested to the trustee. The law looks with suspicion upon transactions between trustees and beneficiaries, and, when the cestui que trust sells trust property to the trustee, the burden is placed upon the grantee or trustee to whom such transfer is made to show that the grantor or cestue que trust was in possession of full information and acted upon her own volition or independent advice, and free from all influence of the grantee or trustee to whom such transfer is made.

24.

cestui que trust

"A trust is an equitable obligation binding a person (who is called a trustee) to deal with property over which he has control (which is caled the trust property) for the benefit of persons (who are called beneficiaries or cestui que trust) of whom he may himself be one, and anyone of whom may enforce the obligation. Any act or neglect on the part of a trustee which is not authorized or excused by the terms of the trust instrument, or by law, is a breach of trust."

Justice Romer in Green v Underhill

25.

So how the heck does all that work?

So far it has worked real good for the company… they just didn’t tell you how to go about getting your debt set off and how to access and use the pre-paid account.

Well, that’s just great!

26.

Now what can one do?

One must acquire a “certified copy” of one’s birth certificate from the keeper of the records in your state, usually the department of vital records, and do what is called an “accepted for value”.

27.

ACCEPTED FOR VALUE

Please adjust this account for the Proceeds,
Products, Accounts and Fixtures.

signed: (YOUR ALL CAPS STRAWMAN), (hereafter 'debtor')
by:
First-Middle-Last Name, authorized agent, (hereafter 'creditor')

COPYRIGHT (YOUR ALL CAPS STRAWMAN) (year of birth) ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

Stamp specimen

28.

What can one do…

“accept for value” the birth certificate and create a “bond” ( an insurance policy guaranteeing we won’t harm anyone) and send them both with a copy of the UCC-1 financing statement, proving our security interest in the birth certificate, and send it all to the ‘payroll clerk’ of the company, also known as “the Secretary of the Treasury.”

Today it is Henry M. Paulsen, Jr.

We need to let him know that we want use our pre-paid account. Think about it - it is the same as asking him to pay for the expenses we have incurred on an “expense report” while being employed with the ‘company’.

The company gave us an “expense account”

the prepaid account… we might as well use it. I am!

29.

Help! Someone is trying to give me something I don’t want… a liability.

When someone sends you a bill it is what is referred to as a “presentment.” What they are attempting to do is create “new money” with…“money of account”

“Check book money”

by getting you to accept the liability they are sending you, and get you to “pay” the bill with “money of exchange” (Federal Reserve Notes)

or the equity you created, i.e. money that was created as a result of your labor!

30.

In commerce

whoever creates a liability MUST bring in the remedy as well. If the sender doesn’t send the funds to ‘pay’ the bill you must accept the bill for the value you gave it when you were born and use your exemption / prepaid account to off set the debt the sender is creating.

So, it is your choice whether to “set off” the debt with your pre-paid account by accepting the bill for value and sending the bill to the “Paymaster”, i.e.; the Secretary of the Treasury, or IRS for adjustment, OR give them the equity from your labor, i.e., Federal Reserve Notes.


31.

HELLO -- I THINK I KNOW
WHAT I WOULD DO…

Accept the bill for value and send it to the “payroll clerk”…

32.

Have you lost your mind???
Are you saying the IRS and the Secretary of the Treasury might be my friends?

If they are not now, they soon will be… Let’s review who the IRS really is… the IRS is the accounting and collection division of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the bankers, who the company owes money to. They are the ones who enforce and oversee the bankruptcy of the ‘company’. They are really not your enemy… they are only doing what they were hired to do, and that is to keep track of the bankruptcy of the company. It is imperative we learn how to use them to our advantage as they can be a tremendous resource for us.

33.

The Secretary of the Treasury is like the payroll clerk at ‘most any company you may work for. He acts in a dual capacity as both “payroll clerk” and receiver in the bankruptcy for the bankers.

With additional documents and letters not covered in this presentation one can call upon the Secretary, or the IRS, to adjust the accounts and “pay” the bills, taxes, and the like, that we have accumulated over time and have the debt incurred “paid off” using the pre-paid account that is waiting for us to use.

34.

So all I have to do is accept the bill for the value I gave it when my labor was pledged and send it back to the party who sent the bill and they forward it to the Secretary of the Treasury and he will use my prepaid account to settle and close the account/debt?

You got it bro. That’s basically how it works. We call upon the Secretary to do what he was hired to do and that is to make adjustments to the [our] account - to set it to zero when we incur, in the normal course of doing business (i.e.; living), things like:

Car payments, credit cards, utilities, taxes, etc.

YES all of them!

35.

Ok, so what is this 1099-OID stuff
I’ve been hearing about?

During your lifetime you have probably NOT had the Secretary of the Treasury / IRS ‘paying’ / discharging your debts for you or adjusting the [your] account according to HJR192.

You, like most people, have been giving your equity away (paying your bills) in the form of Federal Reserve Notes that you acquired through your labor.

You had the pre-paid account available but didn’t know it existed, or didn’t know how to use it, and the net result is you have been paying for ‘stuff’ the company should have been “paying” for all along.

36.

Its time to fill out an “expense report” (a Form 1099-OID) and sending it to the payroll clerk to be reimbursed for the ‘stuff’ you paid for that the company was supposed to pay for.

The Form 1099-OID is known as an “original issue discount” form.

Remember that all men/women issue (originate) from the ground? They are God’s creation and therefore all labor that originates from them is also considered ‘original issue’.

Since we eventually return to the ground - all labor also needs to be returned to the source of the labor, and that would be to the man/woman who created products and services from his/her labor.

The 1099-OID is basically an expense report that needs to be submitted to ‘the company’ via the ‘payroll clerk’ to be reimbursed for purchases you made that the company should have paid for in the first place. Just like an expense report you need to attach the receipts (only in the event of and IRS audit) to the 1099 for proper accounting by the ‘payroll clerk’.

37.

Let’s review…
- When you were born your parents entered a contract with the government / ‘the company’ that was bankrupt and you essentially went to work part time for them, to help pay off the debt the ‘company’ had incurred.
- The instrument that was used was the “Application for Live Birth Certificate” and it became a binding contract. It also became a pledge to / for the ‘company’ and security they use to ‘pay’ the debt the ‘company’ has with the bankers.

38.

Review, continued…
- One can redeem and regain control of the [birth certificate] instrument by filing a UCC-1 Financing Statement with the Secretary of State in one’s state and listing the birth certificate as [your] ‘property’, or collateral. (If you don’t know how to do this talk to someone who has or email me and I will give you people who are knowledgeable in this area.)
- By filling out the Form SS-5 “Application for Social Security Benefits” we entered into another contract that allowed the ‘company’ to access the [our] prepaid account that was created with the passage of House Joint Resolution (HJR) 192. (learn about this resolution) the SS-5 can be revoked and the contract rescinded by simply filling out an Form SS521 “Withdrawal of Social Security Benefits”.

39.

Review, continued…
- By creating a bond and sending it with a copy of one’s duly filed UCC-1 to the Secretary of the Treasury one can then access the prepaid account that was created and begin to discharge any debt incurred from that point forward.
- Please be aware that this is an ongoing learning process. If there is something you don’t understand DO NOT DO THESE PROCEDURES. Get some help from someone who has done this. As one may suspect, this presentation doesn’t cover everything needed.

40.

In closing

It is my sincere desire for you to have this tool to shorten the learning process that took me since 1996 to comprehend. If there are questions that I might answer please email them to:

paulzaccardi@earthlink.net

I will do the best I can to answer with the limited time I am allotted….

Good luck and God Speed

GhostInTheRuins

That's the simplest explanation? I'm not reading all that.

At least Run_To_The_Hills would include a nice little picture for us impatient posters to look at.

humanji

But that's all rubbish though, isn't it.

A country isn't a company, it's an entity, the components of which (the people) are tasked with maintaining the entity. It is 100% possible to live outside this entity or even within the entity and not aid in it's upkeep, but in general we give our time and energy into sustaining it.

How much upkeep is needed and how the entity is developed is decided by the components (we elect governments and anybody can be part of that, despite what paranoia might lead you to believe). So ultimately, we rule ourselves.

The problem comes when apathy and general laziness take hold. People stop caring about how their entity is maintained or how it will evolve. They sit back and assume the best. But then others realise that because so many sit back and do nothing, they have free reign to exploit, hence mass cockups like the housing bubble, where those in control abuse those who weren't paying attention. It's almost like Darwinism.

And that's pretty much how the world works. And I didn't have to cut and paste a thing.

edit: oh and as for where I get my money. I'm a nameless murderer who tortures and kills for fun. I steal the valuables from my victims and use that to pay for food. And as evil as I might be, I still don't have a mark, so I guess I'm safe from the rapture then.

shqipshume

Isnt this apart of what Christina that lady was apparently told by Mary?

I don't know,but i tell you no flipping chip is going in me like i am some kind of guinea pig.
This is something to do with that new world order stuff as well,one world government.Some people i never imagined would be believing this stuff actually have said to me they are starting to.

nyarlothothep

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

That's the simplest explanation? I'm not reading all that.

At least Run_To_The_Hills would include a nice little picture for us impatient posters to look at.

where did he go?

GhostInTheRuins

Not a clue, was he banned or something?

6th

Anymore off topic posting and someone will get banned.

simplistic

Im not here to prove anything to you , I can only help show you the door its up to you to walk through it.

opti76

simplistic wrote: »

Im not here to prove anything to you , I can only help show you the door its up to you to walk through it.

if you want credibility dont paraphrase the matrix

Undergod

Simplistic, could you post the link to what you posted earlier, or attach the file or something? There seems to be formatting missing and it's very hard to read.

ilivetolearn

Interesting stuff. Barcodes vs PPS Numbers vs ID Chips. It goes to show that it doesn't require much correlate the 'mark of the beast' with modern systems / technologies and their respective trajectories.

Even though I don't subscribe to biblical prophecies I'll put my money on the ID Chips. This would leverage the governments control over the individual instantaneously. From what I've read its merely a case of switching the transaction authorization off. Falling out of line and dissidence suddenly equates with starvation and the prevention of access to essential services. Again, this all seems to tie in nicely with the Book of Revelations.

simplistic

Undergod wrote: »

Simplistic, could you post the link to what you posted earlier, or attach the file or something? There seems to be formatting missing and it's very hard to read.

I found it here, enjoy!

http://www.tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=496

humanji

ilivetolearn wrote: »

Again, this all seems to tie in nicely with the Book of Revelations.

Except that Revelations says that the mark is on the head or hand, not in the head or hand.

It just seems that everytime something new comes along it's heralded as proof that the end is nigh. Then nothing happens and all is quiet until the next invention comes along and is heralded as proof that the end is nigh.

And anyway, isn't it just easier to kill dissenters rather than force them to get a chip implanted and then starve them to death? It'll save time and money and serve as an example to others.

ilivetolearn

humanji wrote: »

Except that Revelations says that the mark is on the head or hand, not in the head or hand.

On the ball. I doubt this will divert prophecy enthusiasts though.

humanji wrote: »

And anyway, isn't it just easier to kill dissenters rather than force them to get a chip implanted and then starve them to death? It'll save time and money and serve as an example to others.

Two birds with one stone? Control and penalty of defiance being the birds and the chips being the stone. Just a thought.

humanji

True, but I just don't see it being an advantage to just threaten people. If I were an evil tyrant that ruled the world, (and hopefully someday I will), getting rid of opposition just makes more sense to me.

ilivetolearn

humanji wrote: »

True, but I just don't see it being an advantage to just threaten people. If I were an evil tyrant that ruled the world, (and hopefully someday I will), getting rid of opposition just makes more sense to me.

Tis true. There are many a theory that just seem so redundant for the aspiring dictator. Chemtrails seems fairly contrived as do many depopulation theories (food additives, innoculations, fluoride). One epic world war or a biological epidemic would be much more to the point.

humanji

I suppose the argument could be made that it's the "softly, softly" approach that would be taken in order to make people assume it's for the best, but in that case, I can't see how several billion people can be tricked into having a lump of metal inserted into their skull. Some would be willing to try it, but the majority would simply refuse either through fear of it being abused or just because it's a fairly stupid idea.

And even if it was possible to convince all people to accept it, I can't see it taking any less than about 3 generations to do so completely. By that time, there'll be plenty of advances that would make rfid obsolete.

ilivetolearn

humanji wrote: »

By that time, there'll be plenty of advances that would make rfid obsolete.

Hmm, I wonder how nanotech might come into play. Much more streamline I'd imagine than cutting into the sking/bone or whatever the case may be with RFID chipping.

simplistic

Here is a video that has strong evidence that you are already marked by a name (your person) and number (pps).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0IM7Hobd_k

King Mob

simplistic wrote: »

Here is a video that has strong evidence that you are already marked by a name (your person) and number (pps).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0IM7Hobd_k

You've yet to explain what PPS numbers do other than save time for civil servants.

simplistic

Its your account number for your exemption account that has unlimited credit.

King Mob

simplistic wrote: »

Its your account number for your exemption account that has unlimited credit.

No it's not.

It just saves time for civil servants.

simplistic

Here is why it is an exemption account :


1-1 blip.tv/file/1251548 (34 mins)
1-2 blip.tv/file/1251549 (34 mins)
1-3 blip.tv/file/1251551 (34 mins)
1-4 blip.tv/file/1251552 (16 mins)
2-1 blip.tv/file/1251641 (34 mins)
2-2 blip.tv/file/1251643 (34 mins)
2-3 blip.tv/file/1251646 (27 mins)
3-1 blip.tv/file/1251560 (34 mins)
3-2 blip.tv/file/1251208 (9 mins)

King Mob

simplistic wrote: »

Here is why it is an exemption account :


1-1 blip.tv/file/1251548 (34 mins)
1-2 blip.tv/file/1251549 (34 mins)
1-3 blip.tv/file/1251551 (34 mins)
1-4 blip.tv/file/1251552 (16 mins)
2-1 blip.tv/file/1251641 (34 mins)
2-2 blip.tv/file/1251643 (34 mins)
2-3 blip.tv/file/1251646 (27 mins)
3-1 blip.tv/file/1251560 (34 mins)
3-2 blip.tv/file/1251208 (9 mins)

And you can't explain it in a sentence or two?

Or just show a text link that backs up your claim?

robtri

simplistic wrote: »

Its your account number for your exemption account that has unlimited credit.

So since you know all this and are asking people to try it...
I assume you.... and it worked... and currently claim back from the government here in ireland all your taxes, get them to pay your eleccy bill get them to pay for your mortgage/ rent???
am I correct??

Undergod

simplistic wrote: »

Its your account number for your exemption account that has unlimited credit.

What does that mean?

Run_to_da_hills

nyarlothothep wrote: »

where did he go?

This subject was discussed in the Christianity forum almost two years ago.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055122906&highlight=mark+beast

ilivetolearn

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

This subject was discussed in the Christianity forum almost two years ago.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055122906&highlight=mark+beast

The most interesting tidbit I've come across thus far:

Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia - irrational fear of the number 666.

Anybody looking to pronounce the word go here.

humanji

I think it would be easy enough to pronounce if it wasn't for the "ioi" in it. How the hell do you pronounce "ioi"?

thecommander

humanji wrote: »

I think it would be easy enough to pronounce if it wasn't for the "ioi" in it. How the hell do you pronounce "ioi"?

Oi, in Landan accent.

DTrotter

ilivetolearn wrote: »

Interesting stuff. Barcodes vs PPS Numbers vs ID Chips. It goes to show that it doesn't require much correlate the 'mark of the beast' with modern systems / technologies and their respective trajectories.

Even though I don't subscribe to biblical prophecies I'll put my money on the ID Chips. This would leverage the governments control over the individual instantaneously. From what I've read its merely a case of switching the transaction authorization off. Falling out of line and dissidence suddenly equates with starvation and the prevention of access to essential services. Again, this all seems to tie in nicely with the Book of Revelations.

Or to people in the fact based world the Book of Revelation.

Diogenes

DTrotter wrote: »

Or to people in the fact based world the Book of Revelation.

If we believed conspiracy theorists the book of revelations is the only book in the bible.

DTrotter

Diogenes wrote: »

If we believed conspiracy theorists the book of revelations is the only book in the bible.

And the fact they can't name it correctly speaks volumes.

GhostInTheRuins

Who cares what they call it, it's still jibberish at the end of the day.

Run_to_da_hills

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

Who cares what they call it, it's still jibberish at the end of the day.

Its all jibberish until it is eventually becomes a reality, first among repeated sex offenders, early release parole, Alzheimer's patients etc, and eventually you in order to make any financial transaction. "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark".

King Mob

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Its all jibberish until it is eventually becomes a reality, first among repeated sex offenders, early release parole, Alzheimer's patients etc, and eventually you in order to make any financial transaction. "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark".

And then a seven headed dragon will pop out and eat everyone. And then all the angels play trumpets.

Yep makes total sense.

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

And then a seven headed dragon will pop out and eat everyone. And then all the angels play trumpets.

Yep makes total sense.

The language of the Book of Revelation is very much symbolic and also one should also be very slow to mock scripture particularly if you don't understand it.

The seven-headed dragon is explicitly named as Satan, portrayed in other biblical passages as a ruling prince. We are also told the heads of this Dragon represent seven mountains and seven kings (ruilers).

ilivetolearn

DTrotter wrote: »

Or to people in the fact based world the Book of Revelation.

Are you honestly calling me out on the fact that I mistakenly pluralized a theological nomenclature?

DTrotter wrote: »

And the fact they can't name it correctly speaks volumes.

Am I a composite of the collective 'they' you just referenced or were you referring to something else? Please elaborate on what volumes this should speak? Weak and inarticulate snide comments just won't cut it in this forum (The moderators are effectively on the beat and members generally respect each other a little more even if they'll never see eye to eye). At the very least afford yourself the luxury of exercising a little academic backbone by fleshing out your insinuations with a little non-exhaustive conviction.

I'd hate to think that you've exhibited rather transparently your combined cognitive and textual linguistic limitations and that your only semblance of recent contribution to this thread are two instances of reprimand in relation to spelling.

King Mob

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The language of the Book of Revelation is very much symbolic and also one should also be very slow to mock scripture particularly if you don't understand it.

The seven-headed dragon is explicitly named as Satan, portrayed in other biblical passages as a ruling prince. We are also told the heads of this Dragon represent seven mountains and seven kings (ruilers).

Since when does heads = mountains = kings?
Why doesn't the bible say that it means rules instead of using symbols?
How do you know it doesn't mean a dragon will jump out?
And why does the bible not give some dates for these things?

How do you know that your interpretation is right when every single person who has predicted this stuff before you has been wrong?

6th

DTrotter wrote: »

And the fact they can't name it correctly speaks volumes.

Keep your snide comments to yourself.

shqipshume

King Mob wrote: »

And then a seven headed dragon will pop out and eat everyone. And then all the angels play trumpets.

Yep makes total sense.

Never ever knock anything you have no way to prove or disprove;)Just cause it doesn't fit in to your logic, the world was once flat penguins couldn't fly,(But what happened both wrong)

ilivetolearn

shqipshume wrote: »

Directed at King Mob: Never ever knock anything you have no way to prove or disprove;)

King Mobs posts and points on this matter are fair enough but I've never come across anyone who religious or not that takes whats said in the the book in an absolute literal sense (I'm sure they exist though). Even my grandmother, a solid and traditional catholic will explain that the books of Genesis and Revelation consists of parts that are more like the romantic metaphors of a poem.

King Mob

shqipshume wrote: »

Never ever knock anything you have no way to prove or disprove;)Just cause it doesn't fit in to your logic, the world was once flat penguins couldn't fly,(But what happened both wrong)

But penguins can't fly.

And I was making th point that Revelations is open to a lot of interpretation.
So that's why I'm asking how is RTDH's version any different to the thousands of failed ones.

ilivetolearn

King Mob wrote: »

But penguins can't fly.

Are you sure?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG5dzybHgTo

(Mods: I'll reduce this to a link if its too intrusive)

humanji

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The language of the Book of Revelation is very much symbolic and also one should also be very slow to mock scripture particularly if you don't understand it.

How do you know that it's not literal and that the mark of the beast is a symbolic metaphor? How can these things be so selective?

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The seven-headed dragon is explicitly named as Satan, portrayed in other biblical passages as a ruling prince. We are also told the heads of this Dragon represent seven mountains and seven kings (ruilers).

Isn't the beast the anti-christ?

King Mob wrote:

And I was making th point that Revelations is open to a lot of interpretation.

In fariness, it was written about the Romans by a junky banished to an island, so it's hardly going to be lucid.