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Local & European Elections 2009 - Part Two ** New Poll **

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,362 ✭✭✭Trotter


    Maria, what is your opinion of the Greens remaining in government with Fianna Fáil given the disaster they've caused? Would you agree with the number of Green councillors who called for the Greens to pull out of government and seek a new mandate free from the "standards" of FF which are clearly a ball and chain to your party?

    I would vote for you given what I've read, and I think you personally would make a good councillor. However I cannot vote for any member of the party that keeps FF in government, be that in a European, general, or local election.


  • Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭Stan Nangle


    @ Trotter

    The Local Elections are about electing the people who you think will best represent your interests on the Local Authority over the next five years.

    They will still be there long after the current Dáil has been replaced.

    I know people are cheesed off with FF, but they were cheesed off with them five years ago too, but then 46% of people voted for FF in the General Election in 2007.

    Fine Gael could have kept FF out of power by bringing in Sinn Féin, but they chose not to. Labour and the Greens were then left with only one option if they wanted to get their policies implemented.



    I'm not saying you are wrong in your approach, but I would suggest balancing local issues with national issues. The two are separate, even if there is some cross-over.


    As regards Maria; there is an extra seat in that Ward this time. Green Councillors have shown themselves to be hard working, creative and effective up and down the Country.

    Is there merit in having a test drive of a Green Councillor in Waterford City to see if the Greens can deliver for Waterford?

    I think so.

    The people in that Ward will get to decide on Friday, and their decision holds for five years.


    I'll be voting 1 to 7 based on the seven best people for the job, not on the logo beside their name. If everybody else voted on that basis the Country would be run a lot better.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭Gulamugas


    Hear hear stan. That's local elections are about. The right people to do what's right for the Local area. National politics should not come into it.I am not a fan of the greens but I will be giving you a high preference cause I believe that you will be a good councillor.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Ah for feck sake Stan, you of all people should know better then suggest that FG go into power with SF. Thats wrong in so many ways for both partys! Those stupid comments from your former leader really show dirty politics in play - the party doing poorly and a day before the election coverage ban he throws mud to cast asperusions on FG who are the strongest party in the polls. I think, as I am sure you experienced, this time is different. People are a lot more pissed with FF, and unless they pull a miracle out of the bag, they wont do to well.

    Local elections are two things; 1) To choose which party offer the better candidates for the local government and 2) A referundum on the current government - after all, why would people vote FF if the party was terrible in the main government? People in locals will vote based on 1) The party they think offer the best candidates, 2) The best candidates from that party.

    Ill be giving you a vote, as I believe that despite the fact your a Green supporter, you are one of the better candidates running for election and can offer us the change Waterford County needs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭wfman


    ff and the greens are saying local election local issues.its almost become a slogan.if the country wasnt in the mess it is i wonder if the greens and ff would be still pushing "local elections -local issues"
    when the goverment gets a backlash at local elections its the party thats in bed with them that comes off badly look at the pd's for example.
    i think the gp are in bad shape in waterford city.one candidate running in 3 wards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,467 ✭✭✭jmcc


    wfman wrote: »
    i think the gp are in bad shape in waterford city.one candidate running in 3 wards.
    The GP may be doing the right thing by running a candidate in East. It may undo a lot of the damage caused by McCann. There is a "social conscience" type vote in East and after the key independents, Labour and to a far lesser extent the Greens ( in spite of McCann) have benefited from that type of vote. Now that the Greens are in government, they have lost a lot of that 'museli muncher' stereotype and is perceived as a party that is capable of doing business. McCann's nomination for the council and as a Dail candidate was a continually wasted opportunity for the Greens as he failed to make the political alliances and careful selection of issues that are necessary in politics. This manifested in McCann being almost completely transfer repellent and had the Green Party been properly run, McCann would have been replaced by a more effective and vote attractive candidate. His serial objections, whether warranted or not, allowed him to be portrayed as being anti-employment, anti-development and most deadly of all, anti-Waterford.

    This "social conscience" vote now may benefit the Greens rather than Labour as there is a drift away from FF and the Greens have a candidate with a real chance. But it will be the transfers that will decide matters. Even FG with some rather lacklustre candidates is going to find it hard going. The real wildcard in East would be the election of an SF candidate and there is such massive resentment of FF that it is an possibility.

    Regards...jmcc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    As not to be misquoted I SAID "I would also like to point out to people that while our leader John Gormley is head of Local Government, he allocates the funds to City and Co.Councils around the country, it would be in Waterford City's best interest to vote to have a green councillor ,because, on election, Waterford City Council would then have direct contact with that department and Waterford City would have a voice. I have heard we are being ignored by Dublin, our voice is not heard, well now is the perfect opportunity for our voice to be heard we will have direct contact with that department on election."


    I shall Clarify my statement for you NK1985 no problem........
    The fact that the leader of the Green Party is head of Local government is an advantage, or do you disagree with that? I would like to be able to let my party leader know what This City needs to get us the funds we deserve. I want the Suir River Walkway upgraded as it is a hidden treasure and would be fantastic if that became a reality and many other important issues that need addressing. I brought John to the walkway last Friday, and he asked me what is needed and I said money!!. If on election yes we would have direct contact with local government and yes the fact that my Party leader is Minister of Local Government allows me to have direct contact with that department, isn't that what this City needs?? Wants? Vote for me if you wish or do not vote for me, that is everybodys personal choice.

    Regards

    Maria.

    Its good to see candidates coming onto what could be a potentially hostile environment to engage the voters imo.

    I've only read the last 3 pages of this thread so forgive me if its been addressed already but the one thing thats probably harmed the greens more than anything in waterford is the issue of planning and serial objections.

    So could you address your personal point of view on things like the Newgate shopping centre and what you envisage as the way forward for the town centre in particular regarding planning and regeneration.


  • Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭Stan Nangle


    Sully wrote: »
    Ah for feck sake Stan, you of all people should know better then suggest that FG go into power with SF. Thats wrong in so many ways for both partys! Those stupid comments from your former leader really show dirty politics in play - the party doing poorly and a day before the election coverage ban he throws mud to cast asperusions on FG who are the strongest party in the polls.

    a) I didn't suggest that FG go into power with SF.

    b) Trevor's comments were in response to stupid mudslinging by FG.

    c) The only dirty politics going on is coming from FG

    d) The only Party doing poorly in the last two days is FG. Flannery has opened an old wound - memories of FG going into coalition with the Stickies (Gilmore, Rabbitte and the convicted terrorist Frank Ross)

    e) FG appear to have stolen defeat from the jaws of victory - yet again.


    Enda Kenny is toast after his lies in the last few days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭Stan Nangle


    I've only read the last 3 pages of this thread so forgive me if its been addressed already but the one thing thats probably harmed the greens more than anything in waterford is the issue of planning and serial objections.
    If I may rudely jump in.

    The problems with Planning are an internal matter within the City Council.

    "We tend not to implement the Development Plan" was the quote from the senior planner at a conference a couple of years ago.

    The Law does not give this discretion to the City Planners - they are obliged to follow, to the letter, the Development Plan handed to them by the City Council.


    You are correct that a very expensive PR campaign was waged against the Green Party by people whose ability to profiteer was hampered by a Green Party member who wanted to see the City Development Plan take precedence.

    The "serial objections" all related to serial attempts by well connected persons to circumvent the expressed wishes of the Elected Councillors as set out in the City Development Plan.


    As for the jobs "lost" in the Newgate Centre, give me a call and I'll tell you a few stories.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,472 ✭✭✭AdMMM


    I must say I'm amazed by Gary Wyse. Actually, scrap that. I'm amazed by the Fianna Fail party in Waterford. By amazed I mean shocked and appalled by their sheer stupidity. How they could select a candidate like him is beyond me. Or was it a case of just names being pulled out of a hat? Maybe (and just maybe) if he didn't publicly declare that he'd be supporting an out-of-town development should he be elected while simultaneously posing for a photo in the empty streets of Waterford City that he also promises to reignite would I not think that he is (and his party are) a complete and utter shambles.

    Also, Maria, why did you stoop as low as sharing a sob story in the newspapers the week before an election. As much as I empathise with what you went through, I lose all respect for candidates who pull stunts like that. I had intended to give a vote to Mary Roche back in the General Elections until I saw pictures of her and her baby emblazoned all over the front pages of the News & Star. I really hope that the electorate see right through it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    If I may rudely jump in.

    The problems with Planning are an internal matter within the City Council.

    "We tend not to implement the Development Plan" was the quote from the senior planner at a conference a couple of years ago.

    The Law does not give this discretion to the City Planners - they are obliged to follow, to the letter, the Development Plan handed to them by the City Council.


    You are correct that a very expensive PR campaign was waged against the Green Party by people whose ability to profiteer was hampered by a Green Party member who wanted to see the City Development Plan take precedence.

    The "serial objections" all related to serial attempts by well connected persons to circumvent the expressed wishes of the Elected Councillors as set out in the City Development Plan.


    As for the jobs "lost" in the Newgate Centre, give me a call and I'll tell you a few stories.

    Thanks for the reply Stan, I gave the green party a chance to have your say and your typical mealy-mouthed answer just confirms what I thought and that I will never ever vote for the green party in Waterford.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    AdMMM wrote: »
    Also, Maria, why did you stoop as low as sharing a sob story in the newspapers the week before an election. As much as I empathise with what you went through, I lose all respect for candidates who pull stunts like that. I had intended to give a vote to Mary Roche back in the General Elections until I saw pictures of her and her baby emblazoned all over the front pages of the News & Star. I really hope that the electorate see right through it.

    What story is this now? Link?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭deisemum


    AdMMM wrote: »

    Also, Maria, why did you stoop as low as sharing a sob story in the newspapers the week before an election. As much as I empathise with what you went through, I lose all respect for candidates who pull stunts like that. I had intended to give a vote to Mary Roche back in the General Elections until I saw pictures of her and her baby emblazoned all over the front pages of the News & Star. I really hope that the electorate see right through it.

    +1


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    A childhood of abuse
    By Mary Ellen Breen

    MARIA Raftis Kennedy from the Dunmore Road was one of the many children who suffered abuse at the hands of the Catholic Church and later in foster care.

    She was put into care in the 1970s when she was just two and a half years old, along with six of her seven other siblings after her mother abandoned the home and her father’s mental health prevented him from being able to care for them.

    Originally from Sandy-mount, she was sent to an industrial school in the Dublin area. For almost six years Maria and her sister were separated from the rest of the family.

    She described living under the care of a particular nun as living under her “reign of terror”.

    For six years of her life Maria was woken and plunged into an ice cold bath and forced to carry every-one’s dirty sheets to the laundry while being ridiculed by the nun, supposedly her guardian. Something as simple as not eating your vegetables or finishing a meal would result in force-feeding.

    “She would force feed children, you would vomit and she would make you eat that as well as your dinner. If you didn’t have it for your dinner you would have it for your tea, and if you didn’t have it for your tea she would present it to you the following morning.

    Maria recalls an outing to Cork that should have been a treat, but turned out to be a nightmare.

    “She brought some of us to a caravan in Cork once on some excursion and there was a dessert that I had with pineapple and I was not eating that pineapple and she made me sit there for hours on end and she forced the pineapple into my mouth. I was vomiting and everything and I still had to eat that, including what I had just thrown up.”

    She said it wasn’t just isolated incidents, these things happened countless times.

    “If you wet your bed, apart from being dumped in a freezing cold bath and ridiculed, sometimes she would make you move your mattress out to the hall and you would have to sleep out there.”

    Speaking about why she thought the woman acted this way towards her, Maria said it seemed to be a chore.

    “There was never any warmth radiating from her. I think what she done was a chore, she was a functional woman, I’m sure she saw that she was there for a function, she certainly wasn’t there as a vocation as far as I’m concerned.”

    Maria said a child could be targeted at any time. “One time I was in the playground and I had diarrhoea and I was running to the toilet and of course I didn’t make it. I was five at the time and I ran upstairs then to try and change myself but she caught me and absolutely laddered me.

    “She would use her hand and a large wooden spoon that she had. If somebody had done something like steal food there would be an interrogation with 16 or 20 children and she would beat each and every one of us in front of each other. It was a stomach churning experience.”

    Maria said she would carry the experiences with her forever.

    “It’s never going to be put behind me; it’s something that will live with me until the day I die. I’m not going to allow bitterness to enter my heart. I forgive that nun and the horrors that she did to me because if I don’t forgive her I can’t move on.”

    After spending years in the industrial school Maria was moved into foster care, but it was to be another harrowing experience for the young girl and something that she thinks should be addressed in a similar way to the abuse in industrial schools.

    “People need to go back (online) and read of the horrific abuses that happened in foster care. This wasn’t in the 40s or 50s, I came out of foster care in 1991.”

    She described how she and one of her siblings were regularly whipped “for petty things” with a metal dog lead.

    So great was the fear that Maria felt she faked an illness and underwent an operation rather than tell one foster parent that she had broken their glasses accidentally. “Knowing that I would get an absolute hiding, I faked pains and ended up going into the hospital.”

    Doctors operated on Maria, believing that she had appendicitis. “It just shows the amount of fear, that I would have preferred to be operated on than tell something that I did.”

    Despite telling people what happened in foster care she said a blind eye was turned and she now wants the area to be addressed.

    Maria, now married with four children and a Green party candidate in the upcoming elections, said she had revealed her background because of the public’s accepting reaction to the report.

    “I have felt ashamed for a long time, but because of the overwhelming support that people are giving, it gives me some sort of support to have the courage to come out and say I grew up in care.”

    She encourages others to seek help and move forward like she has.

    “My past will never be my future. I was not responsible for the circumstances I found myself in as a child. There are a lot of victims out there who haven’t moved forward. I will never forget where I came from, but I have moved forward.”

    Source: http://waterford-news.com/news/story/?trs=mhauqlojid&cat=news

    Its in relation to that whole report that came out recently about the abuse children got from the church. The one which a FF government agreed a small compensation deal with them, which is now being re-negotiated since pressure was being applied to them.

    Agree fully with Adam here, its one thing I dislike. Trying to win the hearts of the voters! This could have easily came out after the elections tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,218 ✭✭✭Junior


    The other thing folks is to make sure you use your vote well, I know we all fixate on Who to vote for, but some times you don't realise what else your vote can do..

    This is very interesting reading http://jasonomahony.ie/?p=2182


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    Found the story.

    http://www.waterford-news.ie/news/story/?trs=mhauqlojid&cat=news

    EDIT:
    <snip story>
    /EDIT

    I'm afraid I have to agree with the other guys here on this. These experiences are horrific and I'm very sorry that you, or anyone, had to go through them. Let's not take away from that fact.

    But the timing of this is just wrong. If you wanted to share your story to help others, it could have been done when the report came out. Or you could have waited until after this week. But with it appearing the Tuesday of the Local Elections, it just smacks of electioneering.


    In my searching, I came across a bit of a war of words between Maria and Seamus Ryan. In case anyone's interested, here's the link:

    http://seamusryan.blogspot.com/2009/03/st-patricks-hospital-protest-continues.html


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Junior wrote: »
    The other thing folks is to make sure you use your vote well, I know we all fixate on Who to vote for, but some times you don't realise what else your vote can do..

    This is very interesting reading http://jasonomahony.ie/?p=2182

    Also; http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055582237


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭BadCharlie


    People must get up and vote. If we dont vote or give Fianna Fail our votes. Its like giving them a pat on the back and saying they are doing a good job (which some might feel they are).


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    BadCharlie wrote: »
    People must get up and vote. If we dont vote or give Fianna Fail our votes. Its like giving them a pat on the back and saying they are doing a good job (which some might feel they are).

    A vote for the Greens is a vote for FF ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    Sully wrote: »
    A vote for the Greens is a vote for FF ;)

    Says the man giving them a vote :D

    I've posted in that thread you linked Sully. I'm aiming to ensure that Kathy Sinnott doesn't get in.

    In the locals I'm undecided whether to give someone my number 2 or not. If my number 2 is counting, then it means my Dad is eliminated and either Davy Walshor Dick Roche is getting in so my number 2 should be for who I like most out of those two. But I'm unsure whether I really have a preference for one over the other.

    I wonder do most people give their whole ballot much thought.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭wfman


    nkay1985 wrote: »
    Says the man giving them a vote :D

    I've posted in that thread you linked Sully. I'm aiming to ensure that Kathy Sinnott doesn't get in.

    In the locals I'm undecided whether to give someone my number 2 or not. If my number 2 is counting, then it means my Dad is eliminated and either Davy Walshor Dick Roche is getting in so my number 2 should be for who I like most out of those two. But I'm unsure whether I really have a preference for one over the other.

    I wonder do most people give their whole ballot much thought.

    suprised that the wp could be getting your number 2.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    a) I didn't suggest that FG go into power with SF.

    Same thing tbh.
    b) Trevor's comments were in response to stupid mudslinging by FG.

    What, about their poor performance in Government reflected by recent polls? Or is that still the blame of the Late Late show for the comments on the Greens?!
    c) The only dirty politics going on is coming from FG

    Pull the other one. Greens have dropped to a new level to try pull some votes.
    d) The only Party doing poorly in the last two days is FG. Flannery has opened an old wound - memories of FG going into coalition with the Stickies (Gilmore, Rabbitte and the convicted terrorist Frank Ross)

    Yet FG remains the strongest party in all polls while yourself and FF slip away?! What will remain a wound will be the damage done to Greens for going into power with FF.
    e) FG appear to have stolen defeat from the jaws of victory - yet again.

    I guess time will tell :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    wfman wrote: »
    suprised that the wp could be getting your number 2.

    Yeah, fair point. I think the Workers' Party is a bit of a non-entity now to be honest (Sorry Partizan :D). So I'd be voting for Davy Walsh and not the Workers' Party, you know? It's a two-horse race and I'd essentially be viewing them as two independents and voting on their ability to work rather than their party allegiance.

    I've got to decide which of the two I think would do a better job on the city ouncil and, thinking about it, I think I'd be edging towards Dick Roche.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭wfman


    the wp have been attacking a few candidates on the left including sinn fein ones.this might hurt them with transfers.
    remeber joe could reach the qouta at some stage with any surplus coming back to the other candidates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    wfman wrote: »
    the wp have been attacking a few candidates on the left including sinn fein ones.this might hurt them with transfers.
    remeber joe could reach the qouta at some stage with any surplus coming back to the other candidates.

    I haven't seen this to be honest. Any links? Or more detail?

    I think it's unlikely that my dad will reach a quota to be honest.

    Who else on the left have they been attacking and who's been doing the attacking?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,362 ✭✭✭Trotter


    Just for your info, theres a moratorium today on campaigning. This doesn't apply to Gary Wyse because he's got a black jeep going around my estate with loudspeakers telling everyone to vote for him.

    Grossly disrespectful, opportunistic, and very Fianna Fáil.



    Edit.. I didnt realise this was officially media only, but I do know of candidates who are giving people the day before to make up their mind, and rightly so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭Gulamugas


    that's our Gary. Same in tramore joe I shea is knocking on doors since 10 am


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    Trotter wrote: »
    Just for your info, theres a moratorium today on campaigning. This doesn't apply to Gary Wyse because he's got a black jeep going around my estate with loudspeakers telling everyone to vote for him.

    Grossly disrespectful, opportunistic, and very Fianna Fáil.

    I like to Fianna Fail bash as much as the next guy but unfortunately the moratorium only applies to broadcast media so he's not doing anything wrong. The only rules on this sort of campaigning is that they can't do it within a certain distance of the polling station once voting is open.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,362 ✭✭✭Trotter


    Still isnt it considered respectful to voters to give them the 24hours beforehand to make up their minds?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭Gulamugas


    nkay1985 wrote: »
    I like to Fianna Fail bash as much as the next guy but unfortunately the moratorium only applies to broadcast media so he's not doing anything wrong. The only rules on this sort of campaigning is that they can't do it within a certain distance of the polling station once voting is open.

    Legally that's the case but traditionally it has always been accepted by all parties, before the media rules came into being, that the day before any election was a day of moratorium


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    Trotter wrote: »
    Still isnt it considered respectful to voters to give them the 24hours beforehand to make up their minds?
    Gulamugas wrote: »
    Legally that's the case but traditionally it has always been accepted by all parties, before the media rules came into being, that the day before any election was a day of moratorium

    Yeah I think you're both right. I think it'll backfire on the like of Gary Wyse.

    The most my dad is doing this evening is dropping some leaflets. No more calling to doors or disturbing people.

    What estate are you in by the way Trotter?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,245 ✭✭✭old gregg


    did anyone else find it noticeable how few FF candidates actually got out and canvassed this time round? Maybe it's just my imagination but I'm in an established estate in Waterford city East and not one of them came any where near our estate as far as I know. I had my heart set on skitching the dog on at least one of them.

    Not even travelling DJ Gary Wyse and his block rocking beats came near us :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    old gregg wrote: »
    did anyone else find it noticeable how few FF candidates actually got out and canvassed this time round?
    Definately much less. I have been canvassing with an FG candidate and someone said to us that they dont often knock, instead just post leaflets.
    As regards Gary Wyse, I understood that only leaflet dropping could be done today, it was quite loud in my estate.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    ryanf1 wrote: »
    Definately much less. I have been canvassing with an FG candidate and someone said to us that they dont often knock, instead just post leaflets.
    As regards Gary Wyse, I understood that only leaflet dropping could be done today, it was quite loud in my estate.

    Yet Ryan, you canvassed with FG today? :P I assume you were only leaflet dropping for the FG candidate?

    I was told last night about an independent candidate in South (Ward 3) was pretty rude to a small young(sh) group doing a leaflet drop for a FG candidate. The candidate in question was rude and effectively got them out of the estate. because both were present (as in, the candidate did not like others in the estate at the same time regardless of canvasing or leaflet dropping!)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,362 ✭✭✭Trotter


    nkay1985 wrote: »
    What estate are you in by the way Trotter?


    Dunmore road.. It just annoyed me that where everyone else was leaving me alone to make my decision, I hear a loudspeaker trying to get one up on the others.

    Its as if the whole FF mentality is to get elected despite the electorate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    Sully wrote: »
    I was told last night about an independent candidate in South (Ward 3) was pretty rude to a small young(sh) group doing a leaflet drop for a FG candidate. The candidate in question was rude and effectively got them out of the estate. because both were present (as in, the candidate did not like others in the estate at the same time regardless of canvasing or leaflet dropping!)

    Name and shame Sully. Or I'll start naming independents and you can confirm or deny :)

    My guess is that Cha O'Neill or John Halligan are the only ones with enough illusions about themselves to do this.

    But how did he "get them out"? Unless he physically removed them I fail to see why they'd go anywhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Sully wrote: »
    Yet Ryan, you canvassed with FG today? :P I assume you were only leaflet dropping for the FG candidate?

    I was told last night about an independent candidate in South (Ward 3) was pretty rude to a small young(sh) group doing a leaflet drop for a FG candidate. The candidate in question was rude and effectively got them out of the estate. because both were present (as in, the candidate did not like others in the estate at the same time regardless of canvasing or leaflet dropping!)
    No that incident happened about two weeks ago in the East.
    I was one of the group that was involved in the incident in ward 3, Sully has described exactly what happened. I told him that we were not canvassing but only doing leaflet drops, but he claimed it was the same thing. I dont know if I can give the name


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    ryanf1 wrote: »
    No that incident happened about two weeks ago in the East.
    I was one of the group that was involved in the incident in ward 3, Sully has described exactly what happened. I told him that we were not canvassing but only doing leaflet drops, but he claimed it was the same thing. I dont know if I can give the name

    I would have told him to f*ck off to be honest. You were well within your rights to do whatever you liked and I wouldn't have had him tell me otherwise.

    I don't see any reason why you can't give his name. This is an incident that factually happened and there were other witnesses so there's no legal issue.



    Anyways, just voted before I came into work. Was down in the Mercy Primary school. It was pretty busy; there seemed to be a steady stream of people going in. I hope there's a decent turnout. A low turnout only favours Fianna Fail I think.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Three 1st preference votes for Joe Kelly from my house. 3 for Toireasa Ferris too. Hopefully they will both do well.

    Gave Dick Roche a 2nd preference.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Three 1st preference votes for Joe Kelly from my house. 3 for Toireasa Ferris too. Hopefully they will both do well.

    Gave Dick Roche a 2nd preference.

    Great to hear. 3 more from people we know who we met at the polling station. And 5 from my house. So he has 11 at least :D

    I gave Dick my 2nd too although I don't think it will count.

    Gave Alan Kelly my second preference in Europe to try to make sure Kathy Sinnott doesn't get back in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    I probably should have done that too, didn't think of it at all.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    The SF candidate who refuses to condemn Jerry McCabes killers.. Wonder will that effect her in anyway. *ponders*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,472 ✭✭✭AdMMM


    but Sully, she's hot! My pencil couldn't help but be magnetised towards her! In saying that, her suggestive smile was only good enough for my number 5 vote!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    AdMMM wrote: »
    but Sully, she's hot! My pencil couldn't help but be magnetised towards her! In saying that, her suggestive smile was only good enough for my number 5 vote!

    Yeah I reckon her looks are worth an extra couple of percent!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭Gulamugas


    AdMMM wrote: »
    but Sully, she's hot! My pencil couldn't help but be magnetised towards her! In saying that, her suggestive smile was only good enough for my number 5 vote!

    I'd certainly agree shed put lead in any mans pencil.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    Gulamugas wrote: »
    I'd certainly agree shed put lead in any mans pencil.

    I don't get it, is she an office supplies salesperson or something?

    :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Sully wrote: »
    The SF candidate who refuses to condemn Jerry McCabes killers.. Wonder will that effect her in anyway. *ponders*

    No, it won't affect her. She didn't refuse to condemn it - she felt that it was before her time, and she was only a child when it happened so there is hardly an onus on her to condemn it. The girl was only 15 or 16 when it happened.. It's typical gutter-media trying to bring up old-news in an attempt to attack the character of what is otherwise, a very good candidate.

    I was 13 when Jerry McCabe was shot. Should I have to condemn his killing when it happened at a time when my interests included Nintendo, Sega and girls?

    There are alot more important things than someone being called out to condemn a killing that happened way before the said person's time. Should Toireasa have to condemn attacks made by the PIRA in the 60's also?

    Should Labour have to condemn the attacks by the Stickies?

    Should Fine Gael have to condemn the actions of the Blue Shirts?

    It has no bearing on her role in Europe, whatsoever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    dlofnep wrote: »
    No, it won't affect her. She didn't refuse to condemn it - she felt that it was before her time, and she was only a child when it happened so there is hardly an onus on her to condemn it. The girl was only 15 or 16 when it happened.. It's typical gutter-media trying to bring up old-news in an attempt to attack the character of what is otherwise, a very good candidate.

    I was 13 when Jerry McCabe was shot. Should I have to condemn his killing when it happened at a time when my interests included Nintendo, Sega and girls?

    There are alot more important things than someone being called out to condemn a killing that happened way before the said person's time. Should Toireasa have to condemn attacks made by the PIRA in the 60's also?

    Should Labour have to condemn the attacks by the Stickies?

    Should Fine Gael have to condemn the actions of the Blue Shirts?

    It has no bearing on her role in Europe, whatsoever.


    It's just the same line that has been thrown around by the other parties for the whole duration of the campaign and I would think people are tired of hearing it at this stage to be honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    nkay1985 wrote: »
    II don't see any reason why you can't give his name. This is an incident that factually happened and there were other witnesses so there's no legal issue.
    Al i will say until sully approves is that it was one of the 2 independant candidates you mentioned in your previous post.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    ryanf1 wrote: »
    Definately much less. I have been canvassing with an FG candidate and someone said to us that they dont often knock, instead just post leaflets.
    As regards Gary Wyse, I understood that only leaflet dropping could be done today, it was quite loud in my estate.

    FF did knock on my door when canvassing, but the guy who knocked seemed very nervous. FF candidates are certainly quieter - Some of them don't even have the FF logo on their posters. Drive out towards ardkeen, and there's one that has the FF logo embedded into the green background - you couldn't see it unless you stared at it up close.

    They are ashamed to be apart of FF, that is the gist of it. Every other party has their logo in large.

    I can only assume that FF is trying to get people elected locally on the work that they do locally, opposed to party politics.


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