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Monaco GP Discussion

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  • #102
    vectra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,592 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Cartoon_Head wrote: »
    Now you have seen a driver who didn't look happy after he won.
    Usually when someone looks unhappy, they are unhappy.
    It's quite straightforward really.


    Miles apart in the real world but
    Whatever floats your boat bud,


  • #103
    Firewalkwithme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭Firewalkwithme


    amacachi wrote: »
    What's the performance advantage matter around Monaco?

    Very little, it's all about track position as we know. I know you may have taken me up wrong here - I was refering to Brawns performance advantage and was assuming that if Raikkonen was ahead that he would have been better off on the same tyre as them in the early going, what do you think?
    amacachi wrote: »
    No matter what tyres Raikkonen was on the result would have been the same once the fuel loads were in the cars.
    The strategy was poor, but not the tyre choice.

    I agree, the Brawn was just faster but what strategy would have seen Ferrari place any higher than they did today?


  • #104
    enzo7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭enzo7


    Cartoon_Head wrote: »
    How can we judge any world champions credentials? Is it in the number of his victories or the manner of them? Is it in the dominance of his victory or the slenderness of it? Everyone has different criteria, so the debate always remains open.

    ya everyone does hav diff criterias. for me someone who has landed in the best seat in f1 by accident doesnt make you world champion material, or someone who has done nothing for 8yrs. if i asked any of you in jan who your would put in your top 5 most talented drivers on the grid ,how many of you would hav put button in you list? he wouldnt hav made my top 10 that been honest, the only diffrence since jan is he happens to be driving the best car on the grid and he has grown in confidence because of it.


  • #105
    Firewalkwithme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭Firewalkwithme


    enzo7 wrote: »
    my previous comment was more a lighthearted comment to try and get everyone back on topic.

    I know, and thank you for that, it was needed.
    enzo7 wrote: »
    i didnt think button was that great really.

    What more could he have done that would make you change your opinion? He drove a faultless race.
    enzo7 wrote: »
    i agree with you, id like to see him under pressure and see how well he can cope ,infairness a 37yr old rubens isnt going to be much competition over the whole season. at this rate button will hav this title wraped up by the end of summer,

    It's a good job the medals system isn't in place this year or else he would be very close to winning it.
    enzo7 wrote: »
    it seems its his title to loose now, nothing against button really he seems like a nice enough guy but considering he has done nothing for 8yrs and suddenly his world championship material is laughable.

    He finds himself in a different situation now than he has even been before and is making the very best of it, how is that laughable? To me, it is highly commendable.

    enzo7 wrote: »
    the one big diffrence between button this year and the schumacher "boreing years" is in schumacher we got to see a living legend raceing every other sunday can you say the same about button?

    No we can't say that but maybe if he pulls it off this year and his success doesn't end there, we may all view him in a very different light two or three years from now.


  • #106
    Firewalkwithme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭Firewalkwithme


    vectra wrote: »
    Miles apart in the real world but
    Whatever floats your boat bud,

    You're still here?
    Got anything to contribute to the discussion?


  • #107
    Slutmonkey57b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    enzo7 wrote: »
    ya everyone does hav diff criterias. for me someone who has landed in the best seat in f1 by accident doesnt make you world champion material, or someone who has done nothing for 8yrs. if i asked any of you in jan who your would put in your top 5 most talented drivers on the grid ,how many of you would hav put button in you list? he wouldnt hav made my top 10 that been honest, the only diffrence since jan is he happens to be driving the best car on the grid and he has grown in confidence because of it.

    Button in his debut year was regarded as a massive talent. He finished 3rd in 2004. Nobody doubts that a large part of his career has been wasted due to poor cars, poor decisions, and lack of focus, but you certainly can't say any of that about him this year.


  • #108
    vectra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,592 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Cartoon_Head wrote: »
    You're still here?
    Got anything to contribute to the discussion?

    Plenty to contribute.


  • #109
    EvilMonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭EvilMonkey


    Cartoon_Head wrote: »
    t's a good job the medals system isn't in place this year or else he would be very close to winning it.
    This season just shows what a ridiculous idea it is, i think its scrapped now any way.

    Button is a good driver when Honda came in to F1 they had high hopes and were interested in winning championships thats why they signed button to a long term contract. He was just unlucky they were crap :pac:


  • #110
    Firewalkwithme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭Firewalkwithme


    enzo7 wrote: »
    ya everyone does hav diff criterias. for me someone who has landed in the best seat in f1 by accident doesnt make you world champion material, or someone who has done nothing for 8yrs.

    How did he land in the best seat by accident? He was part of the Honda team that developed the car he is now driving. The only difference is the engine and the name of the team. If anything it is the sign of a great driver (not saying he is) who is capable of helping to develop a great car.
    enzo7 wrote: »
    if i asked any of you in jan who your would put in your top 5 most talented drivers on the grid ,how many of you would hav put button in you list? he wouldnt hav made my top 10 that been honest, the only diffrence since jan is he happens to be driving the best car on the grid and he has grown in confidence because of it.

    He would not have been in my top 5 and probably still wouldn't (yet) but you seem to be overlooking the fact that F1 is not like a single chassis formula, run to find the best driver. It is a twin competition between firstly teams and then drivers.


  • #111
    enzo7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭enzo7


    EvilMonkey wrote: »
    This season just shows what a ridiculous idea it is, i think its scrapped now any way.

    Button is a good driver when Honda came in to F1 they had high hopes and were interested in winning championships thats why they signed button to a long term contract. He was just unlucky they were crap :pac:


    is it scrapped or just put off for a year?? it prob the stupidest idea ive head.

    as for button ive never really rated him but he is in the best car this year and his confidence has grown because of it and maybe he is a better driver as a result anyway ,when (if) he does win the title ill be the first to say congrats.


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  • #112
    Firewalkwithme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭Firewalkwithme


    vectra wrote: »
    Plenty to contribute.

    Funny that, since you have contributed nothing to this thread since it went back on topic except for a couple of attempts to drag me back into an argument with you.

    So if you have plenty to contribute, why don't you?


  • #113
    Slutmonkey57b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    I think BOTH of you should drop it.


  • #114
    EvilMonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭EvilMonkey


    enzo7 wrote: »
    is it scrapped or just put off for a year?? it prob the stupidest idea ive head.
    It was in the new rules 2010 rules published recently, then they quietly removed it and it wasn't highlighted like the rest of the new changes for 2010 were, so i think its gone.
    Cartoon_Head wrote: »
    He would not have been in my top 5 and probably still wouldn't (yet) but you seem to be overlooking the fact that F1 is not like a single chassis formula, run to find the best driver. It is a twin competition between firstly teams and then drivers.
    Go on post your top 5 drivers
    heres mine:
    Alonso
    Kimi
    Massa
    Hamilton
    Vettel


  • #115
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Cartoon_Head wrote: »
    Very little, it's all about track position as we know. I know you may have taken me up wrong here - I was refering to Brawns performance advantage and was assuming that if Raikkonen was ahead that he would have been better off on the same tyre as them in the early going, what do you think?

    I agree, the Brawn was just faster but what strategy would have seen Ferrari place any higher than they did today?

    Once Raikkonen lost out into the first corner third was the best he could get. Had he been on the soft tyres he still would've gotten held up behind Barrichello like he did. It's all about track position and I can't see how any other tyre strategy could've improved Ferrari's finishing positions. On very wide-open tracks using the worst tyre at the end probably isn't a great idea, but for Monaco it's perfect, get the most out of the good tyres, get track position, then at the end hold your position with the rubbish tyres.


  • #116
    vectra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,592 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    EvilMonkey wrote: »
    It was in the new rules 2010 rules published recently, then they quietly removed it and it wasn't highlighted like the rest of the new changes for 2010 were, so i think its gone.


    Go on post your top 5 drivers
    heres mine:
    Alonso
    Kimi
    Massa
    Hamilton
    Vettel

    My top 5
    Kimi
    Alonso
    Massa
    Vettel
    Button


  • #117
    Firewalkwithme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭Firewalkwithme


    Top five drivers (in my humble opinion)

    Alonso
    Vettel
    Hamilton
    Kubica
    Raikkonen


  • #118
    enzo7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭enzo7


    EvilMonkey wrote: »
    It was in the new rules 2010 rules published recently, then they quietly removed it and it wasn't highlighted like the rest of the new changes for 2010 were, so i think its gone.



    Go on post your top 5 drivers
    heres mine:
    Alonso
    Kimi
    Massa
    Hamilton
    Vettel

    oh hopefully!!

    mine

    1)alonso
    2)kimi
    3)massa/hamilton , icant decide between them as i like massa and i dont really like hamilton so i cant really give an unbiased answer.
    5)vettel


  • #119
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    I always thought Button was an excellent driver who just didn't get a good shot. Probably in and around my top 5 always.


  • #120
    riemann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭riemann


    In no particular order and using 1st names just for the sake of it:

    Kimi
    Nico
    Adrian
    Fernanando*
    Felipe


    (*even though i cant stand the man)


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  • #121
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    amacachi wrote: »
    Once Raikkonen lost out into the first corner third was the best he could get. Had he been on the soft tyres he still would've gotten held up behind Barrichello like he did. It's all about track position and I can't see how any other tyre strategy could've improved Ferrari's finishing positions. On very wide-open tracks using the worst tyre at the end probably isn't a great idea, but for Monaco it's perfect, get the most out of the good tyres, get track position, then at the end hold your position with the rubbish tyres.

    But wasn't it the crap tyres that got the Brawns such a good start? Once they were past the first corner it didn't really matter how rubbish they then became, although they were lucky to not end up with Vettles set guess. Button speaking to Brundle before the start and they knew that the super softs were rubbish, but Button also seemed to suggest that he expected his to last longer than anyone elses sets.


  • #122
    Schumacher1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭Schumacher1


    vectra wrote: »
    I am not talking just about this race.
    I am talking in general.. It is getting annoying listening to him screaming into the mike... Surely it comes as no surprise to him at this point.
    enzo7 wrote: »
    i dont think anyone on here dislikes jenson button for displaying happiness i think in was an innocent enough comment about how annoying he is when he starts wooping down the mic over getting a pole!! you dont get any points for that,


    The guy has done 10 years and had 1 win in his 1st 100 races. He can do whatever he wants now. He has earned it the hard way.

    Also his results from 2004 were fantastic against the most dominant ferrari.

    In 2007 Hamilton comes into the best car on the grid. His results up to F1 were amazing and he deserved a shot, but look at Alonso, he spent 1 year in a back of the grid car then spent the next 2 working his arse off to get where he is now. So nearly a 3 time WDC. Thats why they do not like him. He didn't have to earn his F1 stripes.
    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    Yea you do need something a little extra to spice monaco up. That said I love all the pre race build up. Usually loads of people come out of the woodwork and start talking themselves up.

    I dislike those people wandering around the pit lane and on the grid who are not fans,

    Brundle : Hi there, who are you a fan of

    Person : Oh no one, we were just here, its my 1st race to attend and watch at all AARGGGGGHH. Put real fans in there, I know we have no money.
    Slutmonkey57b wrote: »
    I think Eddie is more tongue in cheek than people realise. He's half serious and opinionated, which is a good trait for a talking head on a programme like this.

    EJ came from an ordinary Irish background. He built up his own team into a winning team with 4 victories and a 1 - 2 at SPA (I know DC took MS out of the race and cost him the championship).

    He has seen it all and will have my support for that. Also let DC speak more. I disliked him at Macca, but he won me over.


  • #123
    vincenzolorenzo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭vincenzolorenzo


    Schumacher1 wrote: »
    Also let DC speak more. I disliked him at Macca, but he won me over.

    This is why i hate mclaren so much. When DC was there i couldn't stand him, always being so nicey-nice and never saying or doing anything that might displease McLaren management. As soon as he went to Red Bull he started to speak his mind a bit more and we could finally see some personality. Even more so now that he's with the BBC. To me McLaren define the term straight laced and i find them incredibly boring.....

    .....and a pack of cheating b's as well! Hehehe:D


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