What do you think of Kevin Myers/Immigration?

SWL

The Raven. wrote: »

In some circles, that would indeed appear to be the case.

This discussion is imbued with elements of hypocrisy, as it is tainted with an underlying, unhealthy dislike of a person because he is considered English. Ironically, the prevalence of Anglophobia seems to be arrogantly deemed acceptable, while rational, intelligent debate on the dangers of unrestricted immigration is vociferously denied, with tedious accusations of bigoted racism. As children, we were force-fed by nuns with xenophobic mantras such as ‘Burn everything English, except their coal’.

If Kevin Myers had changed his name to Caoimhín O'Meagher (or whatever Gaelic translation), and developed an inner city or rural Irish accent, we probably wouldn’t be having this discussion. But since he hasn’t, he may be regarded by some as a ‘blow-in’ for the next thousand years, with the misguided, relentless politically correct, yet anti-British, brigade refusing to take an objective view of anything he says.

Raven,

You hit the nail on the head, hypocrisy indeed

P. Breathnach

SWL wrote: »

Raven,

You hit the nail on the head, hypocrisy indeed

I'm not an Anglophobe. So is it valid for me to object to Myers expressing racist views?

Nodin

The Raven. wrote: »

In some circles,(....)he says.

His name could be Idi Amin and he could have come from the Aran Islands for all I care. I go on what he writes and what he writes is often entirely wrong. In the text I selected he was being outright racist, in a rant that is stereotypical of many on the right. The last time there was a thread about on the BNP, I, and a number of others, referred to a piece by Charlie Brooker in the Guardian.....He is, as far as I'm aware, english.

SWL

Nodin wrote: »

His name could be Idi Amin and he could have come from the Aran Islands for all I care. I go on what he writes and what he writes is often entirely wrong. In the text I selected he was being outright racist, in a rant that is stereotypical of many on the right. The last time there was a thread about on the BNP, I, and a number of others, referred to a piece by Charlie Brooker in the Guardian.....He is, as far as I'm aware, english.

Time for you to stand up and put your money where you're mouth is. What exactly do you stand for, you pedantically criticise daily on this form without ever providing ideas or solutions to any issues raised on threads in all forums.

Where is the line in the sand (every man has one)

Do you want 20% of the population to be foreigners or would it be 40%, 50% or even 100%.

The most pious people I have meet are usually the most intolerant of others views on sex, religion etc, you show distain for the right views on issues yet you yourself have shown through your posts that you are rent less politically correct a fundamentalist view as bad or worse than the been pious or right wing. At least with the latter people know where they stand

So point out to everyone what exactly you stand for.

CDfm

Is the Denise Charlton from the Womens Council the same one from Womens Aid and their love for each other seems well known.She wants him jailed without trial.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/is-this-the-tolerance-that-our-thoughtpolice-take-pride-in-1438547.html

Our kev doesnt want jail & how come if it is the same wan she is now an expert on immigration.

So their spats may be spats

Carlow52

Joey the lips wrote: »

2 things spring to mind!

1. Most decent people who follow the thread can spot the gobsh1tes so dont worry just because your called a biggot or look like a biggot we can read between the lines

2. Considering Conor Lenahen is the minister for Intergration I think we Irish look like complete and utter feckin idiots in europe so dont worry about being a bigot!

But I agree with nodin as well!

Which is better: biggot or bigot

ilkhanid

"Also if you're watching too much news and think Islam is all about "killing westerners", then you're very wrong!! Islam is a very peaceful religion."

A statement like this is meaningless, as it can't be proved-or disproved-one way or the other. If you look at the scriptures of religion you can find dangerous and violent passages, or passages that can be interpreted that way. And the history of most religions is full of violent and aggressive adherents of these religions. There is no value-free criteria that could be used to judge the matter.

wes wrote: »

Well, in the case of the Communists and the Church they weren't democratically elected in a lot of cases, they came to power using other means. Now the Nazi's did come to power via the ballot box, but there rather the exception than the rule.

Actually Communists came to power in Eastern Europe mainly through the ballot box. In a similiar way to the Nazis they gained a predominant part in a coalition government, placed their people in vital ministries (Army, Police) and then proceeded to use the institutions of state to crush all opposition.

I believe its not really fair to label Myers a racist. I think he has little interest in skin colour or ethnicity. What he is interested in, is culture and integration.

DTrotter

ilkhanid wrote: »

"Also if you're watching too much news and think Islam is all about "killing westerners", then you're very wrong!! Islam is a very peaceful religion."

A statement like this is meaningless, as it can't be proved-or disproved-one way or the other. If you look at the scriptures of religion you can find dangerous and violent passages, or passages that can be interpreted that way. And the history of most religions is full of violent and aggressive adherents of these religions. There is no value-free criteria that could be used to judge the matter.



Actually Communists came to power in Eastern Europe mainly through the ballot box. In a similiar way to the Nazis they gained a predominant part in a coalition government, placed their people in vital ministries (Army, Police) and then proceeded to use the institutions of state to crush all opposition.

I believe its not really fair to label Myers a racist. I think he has little interest in skin colour or ethnicity. What he is interested in, is culture and integration.

Don't think he's interested in Irish culture, maybe his bastardised version of christian culture. If Ireland had a Fox N*** it would suit him.

CDfm

ilkhanid wrote: »

I believe its not really fair to label Myers a racist. I think he has little interest in skin colour or ethnicity. What he is interested in, is culture and integration.

Yes and his spat on immigration seems to be a personalised battle with the former head of Womens Aid who now heads the Immigration Council.

They have clashed before on mens rights issues.

Give a dog a bad name.

Nodin

ilkhanid wrote: »

I believe its not really fair to label Myers a racist. I think he has little interest in skin colour or ethnicity. What he is interested in, is culture and integration.

Funny way of going about it......

Myers wrote:

What most struck me while watching BBC television news reports of the Christmas sales in the West End of London, was firstly obvious, and secondly, it was something that no-one with the BBC would ever have remarked on. It was this. The shoppers—and there were thousands of them—were overwhelmingly of Asian or African origin. In the vast throngs of faces, there was barely a Caucasian face to be seen; and when there was, of course, that was no guarantee that it was British.

(my bold)

Quacking like a duck there, really....

CDfm

I suppose you do have those who argue that there should be no borders and we should allow everyone who wants to live here the right to. Then you have those who for cultural religious and other reasons dont want to be part of that.

Like it or not those people have the vote too.

I disagree stongly with what the Israelies have done to the Palestenians and see that their rights are being trampled. The Palestinians are Christians and Muslims and fairly integrated and the Israelis have pressures of immigration from the worldwide Jewish "nation".

Sometimes blended communities mean that the host community looses its identity and thats fine if thats what you want. There are also just so much resourses , school and medical facilities to go around .So Myers commented on what he observed.

Just because you dont want that does not make you a racist in my eyes.

johnathan woss

Nodin wrote: »

Quote:
Originally Posted by ilkhanid

I believe its not really fair to label Myers a racist. I think he has little interest in skin colour or ethnicity. What he is interested in, is culture and integration.

Funny way of going about it......


Quote:
Originally Posted by Myers

What most struck me while watching BBC television news reports of the Christmas sales in the West End of London, was firstly obvious, and secondly, it was something that no-one with the BBC would ever have remarked on. It was this. The shoppers—and there were thousands of them—were overwhelmingly of Asian or African origin. In the vast throngs of faces, there was barely a Caucasian face to be seen; and when there was, of course, that was no guarantee that it was British.

(my bold)

Quacking like a duck there, really....

Racism: The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

Nothing you quoted from Myers is racist.
He is making a valid point about the level of immigration into London in modern times.

The time when normal people are cowed into silence by the vocal minority screaming "racist" at them is fast coming to an end.

Nodin

johnathan woss wrote: »

Racism: The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

Nothing you quoted from Myers is racist.
He is making a valid point about the level of immigration into London in modern times.

I wasn't aware that whinging about the amount of non-caucasians was a valid point, particularily with regards to what was the capital of a vast multi-ethnic empire.

Many of the "newer" arrivals are from families that arrived in the early 50's. They were invited there.

And funny enough, despite the vast diversity of the london population, it is far less racially tense than many parts of the states.

Affable

Nodin wrote: »

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And funny enough, despite the vast diversity of the london population, it is far less racially tense than many parts of the states.

Thats what I think, though Americans don't like that. They say they have more blacks in high powered positions but it doesn't mean they are less self-conscious about it. Britains has more interracil. marriages/relationships, rate wise, than anywhere.

Affable

ilkhanid wrote: »

I believe its not really fair to label Myers a racist. I think he has little interest in skin colour or ethnicity. What he is interested in, is culture and integration.

To some degree, though I think if you look at the Pat Kenny interview he says something to the effect of 'we do' care about the skin colour of our immigrants. but 'no-one says it'.

Nodin

Affable wrote: »

Thats what I think, though Americans don't like that. They say they have more blacks in high powered positions but it doesn't mean they are less self-conscious about it. Britains has more interracil. marriages/relationships, rate wise, than anywhere.

Certainly that would seem to be the case, though given the diverse nature of the US, it may vary widely state to state.

realismpol

People, this kevin myers guy is a fool, a mouthpiece, a pretenious, shortsighted, fearmongering egomaniac. Just watching him speak you can tell he's full of it..and it is his own sh*t. His so called facts have no basis in reality. He belongs on fox news or some other neo fascist network.. you know the people who told us there were wmds in iraq, mobile chemical labs etc. You ever seen fox news? It gives me a bad headache watching those on it for even a minute. If they made bad porno news fox news would be the front runner.

As for the islam being the fastest growing religion worldwide thing you do realise christianity is actually the fastest growing religion worldwide. In africa alone it is the fastest growing religion. People don't seem to see the bigger picture here from the whole islam terrorist debate. If you look up the stats you'll find that muslims make up less then 5 per cent of the entire e.u population of 380 million. Muslim immigration has also been cut down since 911 and immigration procedures a lot harsher then the 70's, 80's and 90's for non e.u citizens living in europe. Theres more muslims per centage wise in the usa. For comparison purposes that would be like saying the travelling community in ireland want to take over the country and soon will.

Fear = control. Those in fear are easy to get what you want them to do. Who's running the fear mongering. Oh thats right the newspapers, politicians, so called intelligence agencies who are just tools for politicians etc. People wake up and start using your wit, start doing your own research and for god's sake use your own intelligence. If islam wanted to take over the world then there'd be 1.1 billion terrorists.The majority of human beings want what everyone wants a job, a house, family, security and just to get on with their lives.

P.S watch the daily show on www.comedycentral.com. Great stuff altogether.

speedboatchase

realismpol wrote: »

P.S watch the daily show on www.comedycentral.com. Great stuff altogether.

Aaaand there goes your credibility :rolleyes:

wes

speedboatchase wrote: »

Aaaand there goes your credibility :rolleyes:

Satire can be both entertaining and informative at the same time . Now to be fair Comedy Central is actually better at getting the facts straight than some proper news channels that shall remain nameless.

Nodin

speedboatchase wrote: »

Aaaand there goes your credibility :rolleyes:

A sense of humour is an asset, not a disqualification.