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Dunlop goes down for two years.

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  • 26-05-2009 11:10am
    #1
    JonathanAnon
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    Two years just heard it on Kenny's show. Will prob serve one when all things are taken into consideration.


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    Our man in Havana
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    Proper order. Shows the courts are not afraid of jailing FF lackeys.


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    spadder
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    Now jail the politicians who took the bribes.


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    bmaxi
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    Two years out of a possible maximum seven. Not enough.


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    P. Breathnach
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    spadder wrote: »
    Now jail the politicians who took the bribes.

    I trust that you think we need trials first.


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    mike65
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    Jailing Dunlop and not going after those who took bribes would be a travesty for me.


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    gaz wac
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    bmaxi wrote: »
    Two years out of a possible maximum seven. Not enough.

    Not even two years...18 months !!...he will do less than a year


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    The_Conductor
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    Its 18 months actually- thank god hes actually getting jail time though.


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    spadder
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    P. Breathnach wrote: »
    I trust that you think we need trials first.


    They tend not to remember anything, let revenue ask them to prove where they got their monies and if they say "I won it on a horse" - straight to jail, don't pass go, don't pick up ministerial pension.


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    Our man in Havana
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    smccarrick wrote: »
    Its 18 months actually- thank god hes actually getting jail time though.
    Expect an immediate appeal to be lodged and he will get bail in the meantime.


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    donaghs
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    If he is guilty, does that mean that he was telling the truth, and the politicians took the bribes?
    Any chance of them going to jail?


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    P. Breathnach
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    donaghs wrote: »
    If he is guilty, does that mean that he was telling the truth, and the politicians took the bribes?

    It means that when the money left his possession, it was a bribe; when it arrived in the politician's possession, it was a political donation.
    Any chance of them going to jail?

    I'm not holding my breath.


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    bmaxi
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    Bond-007 wrote: »
    Expect an immediate appeal to be lodged and he will get bail in the meantime.

    We can only hope the appeal court judge is actually awake and breathing.


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    eimear1
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    donaghs wrote: »
    If he is guilty, does that mean that he was telling the truth, and the politicians took the bribes?
    Any chance of them going to jail?

    At least Dunlop had the guts to own up to what he did, admit it was wrong and take the hit for it, unlike the politicians who took the bribes and hide behind amnesia and lawyers. Not saying he was right, but has recently shown more integrity than others still in positions of authority.
    I've no objection to him getting bail while appealing, even violent criminals have gotten that while waiting for trial!


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    jeemojney
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    bmaxi wrote: »
    We can only hope the appeal court judge is actually awake and breathing.

    he pleaded guilty, what would he be appealing ? length of sentence ? hardly, he'll take his medicine, he's supposed to have got 250 grand for bribing the councillors to get the zoning of the land changed, he got a 30 grand fine, 220 large for 9 months inside, hmmmmmm


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    bmaxi
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    eimear1 wrote: »
    At least Dunlop had the guts to own up to what he did, admit it was wrong and take the hit for it, unlike the politicians who took the bribes and hide behind amnesia and lawyers. Not saying he was right, but has recently shown more integrity than others still in positions of authority.
    I've no objection to him getting bail while appealing, even violent criminals have gotten that while waiting for trial!

    He didn't "own up".


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    bmaxi
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    jeemojney wrote: »
    he pleaded guilty, what would he be appealing ? length of sentence ? hardly, he'll take his medicine, he's supposed to have got 250 grand for bribing the councillors to get the zoning of the land changed, he got a 30 grand fine, 220 large for 9 months inside, hmmmmmm

    Probably severity of sentence, you know, bad heart, stress, intimidation by all those horrible tv licence defaulters.
    Can anyone remember the horrendous conditions Ray Burke had to endure and the two fingered salute he gave to the public? My heart is bleeding for Dunlop.


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    legalbird12
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    Sorry if this is the wrong forum.

    Where is Frank Dunlop most likely to serve his 18 months?


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    oscarBravo
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    Threads merged.


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    Rebelheart
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    mike65 wrote: »
    Jailing Dunlop and not going after those who took bribes would be a travesty for me.


    I couldn't agree more with this. There really is something wrong with jailing him and letting the scum like Burke live on their huge ministerial pensions when Dunlop is going to prison precisely because the judge said he is guilty of bribing them.

    Do we have prison sentences for people who accept bribes or is that grand?


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    Nodin
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    Ray Burke got 6 months. George Redmond got a year. Liam T Cosgrave did 75 hours community service. Michael Lowry settled with the Revenue. Ben Dunne wasn't charged. Pee Flynn is judged to have received 50,000 from Dunlop but has never been charged. CJ Haughey wasn't charged at all, as it was judged prejudicial comments had been made by Harney.

    Considering that, and the fact he co-operated, I'd say he's been shafted, relatively speaking.


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    Riskymove
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    Dunlop, middleman lobbyist - jail

    Redmond, corrupt official - jail

    Politicians who actually took money for votes - nothing

    notice the trend?


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    bmaxi
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    Riskymove wrote: »
    Dunlop, middleman lobbyist - jail

    Redmond, corrupt official - jail

    Politicians who actually took money for votes - nothing

    notice the trend?

    Haughey, suspected of dodgy dealing. Returned by voters
    Burke ditto
    Lawlor ditto
    Lowry ditto
    Flynn P ditto
    Flynn B ditto
    Notice the trend?


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    Altreab
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Ray Burke got 6 months. George Redmond got a year. Liam T Cosgrave did 75 hours community service. Michael Lowry settled with the Revenue. Ben Dunne wasn't charged. Pee Flynn is judged to have received 50,000 from Dunlop but has never been charged. CJ Haughey wasn't charged at all, as it was judged prejudicial comments had been made by Harney.

    Considering that, and the fact he co-operated, I'd say he's been shafted, relatively speaking.

    And what about the people who made the really big money out of all this? The people that financed the bribes? How many of them will see the inside of a jail?


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    The_Conductor
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    bmaxi wrote: »
    Haughey, suspected of dodgy dealing. Returned by voters
    Burke ditto
    Lawlor ditto
    Lowry ditto
    Flynn P ditto
    Flynn B ditto
    Notice the trend?

    Yes- the system, along with those elected by the system are all inherently corrupt. Local voters vote on the basis of what 'their' politician brings home to the constituency- not the good that they do for the country. This is why Jackie Healy Rae is a folk hero in Kerry- and despised everywhere else.

    Until such time as pork barrel politics are abondoned in favour of a list system, and politicians represent the Irish people- rather than Jack and Anne from Bog na Boille, we have no chance at all.......


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    Nodin
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    Altreab wrote: »
    And what about the people who made the really big money out of all this? The people that financed the bribes? How many of them will see the inside of a jail?

    Well, going on what we've seen so far...none.


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    Riskymove
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    bmaxi wrote: »
    Haughey, suspected of dodgy dealing. Returned by voters
    Burke ditto
    Lawlor ditto
    Lowry ditto
    Flynn P ditto
    Flynn B ditto
    Notice the trend?

    the difference to me is that people are free to vote for whoever they like....but the justice system should have to investigate and act on wrong doing, regardless of who that person is


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    bmaxi
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    Riskymove wrote: »
    the difference to me is that people are free to vote for whoever they like....but the justice system should have to investigate and act on wrong doing, regardless of who that person is


    The electorate, by returning these people to the Dáil imply that the standards and ethics they display, are acceptable.
    The justice system is supposed to be independent and subject to the law and the constitution, while I believe this to be the case for the most part, it must be remembered that it is politically appointed, either directly or indirectly.


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    Mr.Micro
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    In Dunlop's credit he gave up all the info to the tribunals knowing that he was indicting himself. He may have had a Damascian moment for him to find moral courage to reveal all. All those dirty politicians should be investigated by the CAB without delay as they took the money.


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    DubTony
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    Altreab wrote: »
    And what about the people who made the really big money out of all this? The people that financed the bribes? How many of them will see the inside of a jail?

    The only way anyone was able to make really big money was by bribing elected officials and the odd county manager.

    The question needs to be asked. What's worse? Bribing an official in the hope that he'll vote for you to build a shopping centre, where traffic mayhem will ensue and the quality of life for those who live next door to it will be massively reduced for ever ....

    or ...

    Voting for the shopping centre and so ensuring traffic chaos and a reduced standard of living for those who live beside it.

    The simple fact is that if politicians were straight we'd have better infrastructure and smarter planning to go along with these shopping centres, because then they'd be working in the interest of the people who elected them as opposed to walking all over them.


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    paddyboy23
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    poor old frank the fall guy dont get me wrong hes as guilty as sin but theres a lot of the big boys of ff wishing he would just die if i were you frank id hang them all


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