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SDLP MLA threatened by masked gunman

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    #32
    Terrontress
    Registered Users Posts: 3,900 ✭✭✭Terrontress


    It's the oldest trick in the book. Avoid the issue at hand by focussing on some side issue.


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    #33
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users Posts: 17,205 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    So what is the main issue? I can't see the wood for the trees


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    #34
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Souljacker wrote: »
    Nodin you forgot three very important words here ‘in your opinion’

    An opinion which is wrong. How do we know this? You’ve been told twice by the OP that this is not the argument.

    And now your telling Terrontress what they meant?? A little arrogant no..

    I wouldn't say so. It just strikes me as a rather strange use of words. It also seemed to 'not be electoral fraud' when I was asking why no charges had been made re that allegation. It suddenly became something that would be 'hard to prove'.
    Souljacker wrote: »
    Let me read you out the first paragraph of the article your referring to:

    SINN FEIN, the IRA's political wing, is engaged in electoral fraud "on a massive scale" and intimidation of voters during canvassing, the Ulster Unionists and the SDLP claimed yesterday.

    Yes, the first thing referred to is "electoral fraud" on "a massive scale"....

    And again, its odd that, discussing an attack on a woman attacked previously by dissidents, in an area known for dissident violence, who is on a board whose members are singled out by dissidents, we're referring to unproven allegations from 8 years ago against PSF.....


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    #35
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    So what is the main issue? I can't see the wood for the trees

    SDLP canvasser previously attacked by dissidents was threatened in area known for dissidents. 'Satanic Hand' of PSF implied to be behind it by OP. I say 'Nope'.


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    #36
    Souljacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 121 ✭✭Souljacker


    Nodin wrote: »
    I wouldn't say so. It just strikes me as a rather strange use of words. It also seemed to 'not be electoral fraud' when I was asking why no charges had been made re that allegation. It suddenly became something that would be 'hard to prove'.



    Yes, the first thing referred to is "electoral fraud" on "a massive scale"....

    And again, its odd that, discussing an attack on a woman attacked previously by dissidents, in an area known for dissident violence, who is on a board whose members are singled out by dissidents, we're referring to unproven allegations from 8 years ago against PSF.....

    Nodin I'm at a complete loss to understand your confusion. This thread was started to discuss intimidation, in the post you are referring to the OP has said categorically it's about intimidation (and told you directly twice it's about intimidation) it never 'suddenly changed.' Yet you seem to be determined to be confused I really hope that works out for you.
    Dub in Glasgow wrote:
    So what is the main issue? I can't see the wood for the trees

    Dub in Glasgow. I'd expect nothing less.


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    #37
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users Posts: 17,205 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Souljacker wrote: »

    Dub in Glasgow. I'd expect nothing less.

    Nothing less than what?


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    #38
    Erin Go Brath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭Erin Go Brath


    Terrontress wrote: »
    I thought perhaps that those who have frustrated the democratic process with their intimidation of elected SDLP representatives in the past might be up to their old tricks again.

    http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2001/06/05/story14707.asp

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1311580/Sinn-Fein-is-accused-of-massive-vote-fraud.html

    I've heard it all now.

    I think you forgot to attach the article where SF members are lizard people involved in a global conspiracy to elimate mankind from earth. I'm sure the torygraph has covered that story at some stage if you dig deep enough.


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    #39
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Souljacker wrote: »
    Dub in Glasgow. I'd expect nothing less.
    Don't get personal.
    Erin Go Brath wrote: »
    I've heard it all now.

    I think you forgot to attach the article where SF members are lizard people involved in a global conspiracy to elimate mankind from earth. I'm sure the torygraph has covered that story at some stage if you dig deep enough.
    I think you forgot to read over your post and ask yourself whether it contributed anything of value to the discussion.


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    #40
    Souljacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 121 ✭✭Souljacker


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Don't get personal.

    Apologies


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    #41
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Souljacker wrote: »
    Nodin I'm at a complete loss to understand your confusion. This thread was started to discuss intimidation,.

    ....Well yes and no. The thread was started to get a dig in at the 'Provos' using the intimidation of an SDLP candidate by dissidents as a springboard. Had it been about the SDLP being intimidated by dissidents I might have said something about 'disgrace to Republicanism' 'not in the interests of the community' or some such and left it at that.


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    #42
    Joey the lips
    Registered Users Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    The whole arguement has lost the ability to be proven from the start. all the op has done is draw attention to ms o kelly who is on the policing board and as such would be a target of dissidents on both sides of the community. Any quotes that have been given by David Trimble had been speculation ant proven so at the time. Any sub quotes by the mail were the speculative quotes orig issued by David Trimble!

    Its clear the OP has no interest in politics as there was 101 ways to present this to generate a positive discussion but its easier to create a scandle and as I said before boards is generally not representive of the voting majority which do go to mass are not in favor or legalising cannibas dont support prostitution and will think that Dolerous kelly was a member of the cranberies

    See speculation gets boreing and impossible to defend to people who believe it!


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    #43
    Erin Go Brath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭Erin Go Brath


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    I think you forgot to read over your post and ask yourself whether it contributed anything of value to the discussion.
    I condemn any attack or any threat of attack on elected officials and people putting themselves before the electorate. It is unacceptable and it needs to be stamped out and the culprits dealt with.

    As to this discussion it started out ok and its a topic worthy of discussion for sure. The original op then goes to try and link SF with the 'so called dissidents' in an attempt to discredit SF, quoting notoriously anti-republican rags such as The Telegraph to back his point up. From there onwards SF leaning republicans get defensive because of this slur and SF haters jump on this and we continue this merry dance for the umpteenth time on these boards.


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    #44
    ilkhanid
    Registered Users Posts: 929 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Those pesky "dissidents". I bet they must have been behind the vandalizing of Mrs. Uzell's car here in Dublin too.;)


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    #45
    GuanYin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Moderation Note:

    There will be a zero tolerance approach by me to Northern Ireland threads in future.

    Any hint of baiting, flaming, abuse, fog of war or derailing will lead to an immediate sanction and set you up for an auto 1 month ban for subsequent breaches in NI threads.

    I'm putting out this fire and I don't mind how many I take out while doing it

    Any feedback or response to this does not belong in this thread.


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