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TimTam82

Hey guys just wondering which is better a CO2 pistol or gas??? With your offer on im thinking of investing!!! is d CO2 cheaper to run over the gas or is there any long term difference?????

I Armour I

Hey,

which do you find a better variation of P90: the King arms or G&G?

Inari

TimTam82 wrote: »

Hey guys just wondering which is better a CO2 pistol or gas??? With your offer on im thinking of investing!!! is d CO2 cheaper to run over the gas or is there any long term difference?????

That depends entirely on what kind of pistol you are looking at! Co2 Non-blowback are by the far the most reliable, and most economic. The likes of the KWC Taurus 24/7 gets in the region of 200 shots per Co2 caplet!

Co2 blowback guns use significantly more recoil, in proportion to the weight of the slide. 1911 types use more than M9's etc. You get anywhere between 40-70 shots per caplet, so a pretty drastic difference. They are more expensive to run, and require a little more magazine maintenance, but they work in the cold and have much more enjoyable recoil.

Green gas guns are temperamental depending on the temperature they're being used in, on top of the build quality of the magazine & gun. You need to factor in strength of recoil springs, weight of slide etc into gas economy. In short, there is a little bit more thought involved in running them year round, but they are far cheaper to run!

You're going to have to make the decision yourself:
- If you want recoil; Co2 Blowback
- If you want a moving slide, and aren't worried about felt recoil; Green Gas blowback
- If you just want a pistol that works, and aren't concerned with recoil or moving slide; Co2 non-blowback

Hope that helps!

Kashkai

Or buy a Tokyo Marui pistol that runs on green gas but outperforms CO2 pistols year round, in my experience. I've two of them and they outshoot any CO2 pistol I've come up against, plus they have a nice recoil action. Yes they are expensive but worth it.

Inari

Prosperous Dave wrote: »

Or buy a Tokyo Marui pistol that runs on green gas but outperforms CO2 pistols year round, in my experience. I've two of them and they outshoot any CO2 pistol I've come up against, plus they have a nice recoil action. Yes they are expensive but worth it.

To an extent, yes. But it is not that clear cut, purely down to the nature of how green gas works. It is stored as a liquid and requires heat to turn into a gas and power the gun. As a result you need to factor in shape of gas reservoir, ambient temperature, gas being used, how fast you're going to be shooting etc.

The reason why TM's are so widely recommended in Ireland is because of their sub-joule performance; barrel and hop combination is excellent out of the box, and they are built to a more exacting standard than most other pistols - lemon rate is very low, and performance is nigh on guaranteed. Their gas economy is achieved through weak recoil springs, plastic lightweight slides, and superior magazines. They still suffer serious cool down effects though, something that Co2 pistols are much more resilient to.

Besides I really wouldn't consider what TM's slides do as 'recoil' - sure they move, but there is no felt 'kick' at all. Even on self-professed 'hardkick' models on Desert Eagles, Five-SeveN's and PX-4's (where the loading nozzles' total volume was increased for snappier recoil), they are still next to nothing.
Co2 pistols on the other hand, especially the KJW variants feature recoil springs that are closer to 250% that of the TM. This is in part out of necessity due to the pressures of Co2, but it is far more satisfying to shoot. On top of that you really have to be ok with TM's all-plastic body - kitting them out in full MBK (metal body kits) is both expensive and detrimental; they will never work the same again...because you've removed a lot of what made it work so well i.e. plastic lightweight slide & weaker recoil spring.

I love my TM pistols (I own 7), and they are certainly great performers...but personally I think pistol choice has more to it than just raw performance. Firstly you have to be alright with their all-plastic build, which can be difficult on models such as the 1911 considering how toy-like they feel, especially in comparison to the full metal variants. On guns like the Five-SeveN it is infinitely more forgivable due to the amount of plastic on the real one. If you're not alright with an all-plastic pistol, then you really are looking at Co2 being your only option (with some very slight exceptions)

On top of all of that, you also have to take into account peoples reasons for wanting a pistol, and the criteria they are applying to figure out which is "better"

For example:
- Accuracy
- Consistency
- Performance (Accuracy & consistency combined)
- Ergonomics (comfort of pistol in hand and ease of use of its controls)
- Build Quality (how well put together it is)
- Reliability
- Replication Quality (how realistic it is; materials used, recoil etc)
- Economy (the cost of running it)
- Magazine capacity
- Magazine availability (some models are cursed with no spare mags available)
- Budget/Cost (you can want the perfect pistol all you want...but affording it is something different)

Now how you weight those aspects will have a direct impact on which pistol you go for. TM M9 may outshoot KWA, but does that matter if you're looking for a Beretta M9 with correct weight balance, functioning decocker and improved recoil? The TM M9A1 uses artificial weight to give it a beefier feel, and yeah that's nicer than not having it...it still doesn't cut it when you have a direct comparison that has natural weight in all of the right places. You can feel the difference. But it's all about figuring out which is more important to you


@TimTam82: If you can, drop by the store and we can talk shop over a cuppa - some things are better seen/felt in person, so you can better figure out what you're looking for in a pistol

Inari

Lil Armour wrote: »

Hey,

which do you find a better variation of P90: the King arms or G&G?

I love the G&G V6 gearbox, it is a thing of beauty - quick spring change system, and ability to fine-tune FPS ala F2000. Plastic is very nice, and quite a realistic finish, plus the laser module built into the P90's body is an excellent touch.

King Arms plastic is very high quality, and really looks the part with the engraved FN Herstal logo (even though that logo is not actually found on the real one, making the G&G more realistic...ironic, huh?). Some people don't like the logo there, personally I prefer it as it makes the gun appear less toy-like. On top of that it is the only P90 on the market with the correct Tri-Rail upper receiver, and it does look mighty tasty indeed.

Which is better? Well, that is a question for you mon compadré - would you prefer a tri-rail version, or an integreated sight + laser? That's what it comes down to in my mind. Though if you can't make up your mind, ask yourself this:
WWJD - What would Jack (O'Neil) do?

TimTam82

Thanks for all the advice guys. My head is now officially melted!!!!:)
In relastion 2 what ye have in stock in d CO2 gbb what would you sugest? And whats the situation with extra mags??

I Armour I

Inari wrote: »

I love the G&G V6 gearbox, it is a thing of beauty - quick spring change system, and ability to fine-tune FPS ala F2000. Plastic is very nice, and quite a realistic finish, plus the laser module built into the P90's body is an excellent touch.

King Arms plastic is very high quality, and really looks the part with the engraved FN Herstal logo (even though that logo is not actually found on the real one, making the G&G more realistic...ironic, huh?). Some people don't like the logo there, personally I prefer it as it makes the gun appear less toy-like. On top of that it is the only P90 on the market with the correct Tri-Rail upper receiver, and it does look mighty tasty indeed.

Which is better? Well, that is a question for you mon compadré - would you prefer a tri-rail version, or an integreated sight + laser? That's what it comes down to in my mind. Though if you can't make up your mind, ask yourself this:
WWJD - What would Jack (O'Neil) do?

Damn the G&G sounds like it is a gem to work on or at least it would be easier. I like the idea of the laser module system but I would hate that upper receiver.

The King Arms one as you said has the exterior tasties... I suppose the only option is to cross breed the KA upper and G&G lower to create the H90 (hybrid90 :P) Then dominate the CQB world up until the trigger contacts or misfeeds happen... Cheers

By the way Kev, I shall be over tomorrow with the PDW. With the links I provided before, could you make this gun 120% ? any time suit?

Thanks

Armour

Inari

Lil Armour wrote: »

I shall be over tomorrow with the PDW. With the links I provided before, could you make this gun 120% ? any time suit?

Was good chatting with you today; did you have a chance to oggle the G&G P90?

goodlad

Hey Kev. Remember i asked you about a spring for my g&p m870?

The one i have in it is a Laylax PSS 10 100 Spring. It fits perfect but shoots slightly over.

You able to order in the next strength spring down?

EDIT: Or do you think getting someone to cut a bit of the current spring might just be as handy?

Inari

goodlad wrote: »

Hey Kev. Remember i asked you about a spring for my g&p m870?

The one i have in it is a Laylax PSS 10 100 Spring. It fits perfect but shoots slightly over.

You able to order in the next strength spring down?

EDIT: Or do you think getting someone to cut a bit of the current spring might just be as handy?

Hi Gary,

We stuck a spring for the M870 on our G&P order, but they still haven't invoiced us yet to let us know exactly what's arriving, and what they cost How much is it firing over by? If it's not by too much, snipping the spring would probably bring it in line handier

goodlad

its sitting about 340 with the current spring that i put into it. I guess snipping might work but then the spring might be a bit too short?

I guess my preference would be to just put a new spring in that doesnt shoot over.

Inari

goodlad wrote: »

its sitting about 340 with the current spring that i put into it. I guess snipping might work but then the spring might be a bit too short?

I guess my preference would be to just put a new spring in that doesnt shoot over.

If it's 340 it's possible that snipping it would bring it down, but there would definitely need to be enough room on the spring. If it gets too short you'll have a god-awful tinny twang every time you fire. What's the tension on the spring like? Does it sit in comfortably, or do you have to wrestle it in?

You are dead right, better to fit a lower powered spring

Inari

So on Facebook we've put it out there to see which is the most popular of our new G&G guns - so far the HK416 is in the lead at just over 4x the amount of likes of its closest competitor. What do you guys think? Justified? Or do you prefer one of the others?

Like your favourite now! So what will it be?


HK 416



Colt M4A1 (Combat Machine)



G&G Raider Long (Combat Machine)



G&G Raider CQB (Combat Machine)



H&K MP5A4 w/blowback (Combat Machine)



FN Herstal P90 (integrated dot sight & laserex module)



H&K UMP .45



SIG SG 552 Commando



GR4 G26 (i.e. Magpul Carbing *cough* I mean...definitely not a Magpul Carbine )


Just click the images to be brought to the product, and click 'Like' for your favourite!

I Armour I

I did yeah, that weight and feel of it out does the KS by miles and edges ahead of the others. Does it perform well out of the box?
I think it's next on the purchase list. Would give me an excuse to use my 9.6 mini and P90 mid cap :P

Inari

Lil Armour wrote: »

I did yeah, that weight and feel of it out does the KS by miles and edges ahead of the others. Does it perform well out of the box?
I think it's next on the purchase list. Would give me an excuse to use my 9.6 mini and P90 mid cap :P

Performance is excellent, from what we can tell in the store. Haven't picked one up myself yet so can't give a skirmish report. Great accuracy out of the box; more accurate than the King Arms one

TimTam82 wrote: »

Thanks for all the advice guys. My head is now officially melted!!!!:)
In relastion 2 what ye have in stock in d CO2 gbb what would you sugest? And whats the situation with extra mags??

I'll reserve judgement until they land in the morning, but the SIG P226 E2 co2 GBB definitely looks like a winner to me! We have 50x spare mags coming in on the same order. Otherwise I'd say the KWC 1911A1 - fantastic recoil and unprecedented reliability from a Co2 gun!

I Armour I

Yeah? Well it looks like that will be my next purchase Only after I use the PDW of course :P

Would give me another good cqb gun. Can't wait to test out the MP7! Have you skirmished yours?

Inari

Lil Armour wrote: »

Yeah? Well it looks like that will be my next purchase Only after I use the PDW of course :P

Would give me another good cqb gun. Can't wait to test out the MP7! Have you skirmished yours?

Aye, that I have. It is easily the most fun I have ever had with an airsoft gun! Well, to date at least. I have my eye on several nice pieces...just need more money

T4RGET

Inari wrote: »

No problem at all Cillian, I'll stick one under the counter for you!

Cheers Kev Only back now. so many threads to get through:rolleyes: I'll try get in tomorrow or the weekend at some stage

goodlad

Inari wrote: »

If it's 340 it's possible that snipping it would bring it down, but there would definitely need to be enough room on the spring. If it gets too short you'll have a god-awful tinny twang every time you fire. What's the tension on the spring like? Does it sit in comfortably, or do you have to wrestle it in?

You are dead right, better to fit a lower powered spring

Tbh i cant remember if it was a tight squeeze or not. The internals on the gun are fairly soft metal so i try not to open it up too much.

Defo gonna just go for a lower power spring instead of cutting.

goodlad

Did anything ever come from that vfc order you guys were looking into making?
I miss both my vfc baby m4's and want one again i think.

Inari

goodlad wrote: »

Did anything ever come from that vfc order you guys were looking into making?
I miss both my vfc baby m4's and want one again i think.

That is very much on the horizon - we have a couple of outstanding orders yet to arrive (Lonex, G&P, WE etc) before we can put any more through

Once they're in, it's go time! I have my eye on a VFC XCR :cool:

goodlad

When i got my quake i also got 2x xcr in for some mates.
They are real sexy guns. A new solid folding stock just came out for them aswell.

Haribo1358

http://www.sklep.airsoftguns.pl/product-eng-1152199156-Replika-karabinka-szturmowego-DG05B.html would you be able to get this in

Inari

CQB SPECIALS

With the HIVE opening shortly, and many craving a CQB fix, this weekend you can pick up a bargain!

Firepower Multi-Shot Shotgun @ €65 (Full Stock)


Firepower Multi-Shot Shotgun @ €65 (Tactical Stock)


CYMA M4 CQB @ €220 (Launcher NOT included


G&G MP5A4 Plastica @ €175

Inari

Haribo1358 wrote: »

http://www.sklep.airsoftguns.pl/product-eng-1152199156-Replika-karabinka-szturmowego-DG05B.html would you be able to get this in

I'll have a look into it now; we have no experience with that particular brand, though there is a gun remarkably similar that our suppliers do:


Is that of any interest to you?

Haribo1358

ok thanks well any m4 s system that would be cheap enough really and no thanks not that interested in that gun

mps oshea

Inari wrote: »

CQB SPECIALS

With the HIVE opening shortly, and many craving a CQB fix, this weekend you can pick up a bargain!

Firepower Multi-Shot Shotgun @ €65 (Full Stock)


Firepower Multi-Shot Shotgun @ €65 (Tactical Stock)


CYMA M4 CQB @ €220 (Launcher NOT included


G&G MP5A4 Plastica @ €175

Is this only for this weekend or will it be on next weekend too?

thermo

hi, do ye have any shs pistons in stock?