Rollcages and the NCT

Turlock

Just wondering how putting a rollcage into a car would affect its NCT?

Also how do insurance companies view them?

Henry Ford III

Insurers hate them. Can't imagine why

CianRyan

They hate them for making your car safer?
Bloody money hungry ****s.

challengemaster

I was actually talking to a mate about this yesterday at Prodrift. Basically, cars can be 100% road legal with a cage in it. I saw quite a few. The problem is, most insurers see anyone with a cage in as likely to either be a boy racer (idiots, tbh, boy racers wouldn't even think about putting a cage in), and they assume that you'll act the maggot in the car because you've a cage in it. So theyll either refuse to insure you or up the premium.

I'd be contacting your insurer before doing so to see what their stance is on rollcages.

10-10-20

If you drive a road vehicle and you see justification in having a roll-cage, you've got to ask what you're doing wrong... no?

CianRyan

10-10-20 wrote: »

If you drive a road vehicle and you see justification in having a roll-cage, you've got to ask what you're doing wrong... no?

Like people say, "i'd rather have a CAKE and not have to use it, than need a CAKE and not have one."

Guy:Incognito

CianRyan wrote: »

Like people say, "i'd rather have a gun and not have to use it, than need a gun and not have one."

I'd rather avoid situations where I might need a gun. Especially if I'm likely to take out innocent bystanders.

CianRyan

Stekelly wrote: »

I'd rather avoid situations where I might need a gun. Especially if I'm likely to take out innocent bystanders.

Well i have no interest in guns.

But with a roll cage, i'd feel more secure.
I wouldn't be worried what i'd do, more worried about the growing number of idiots on irish roads.
If i was hit by an idiots at 70mph, i'm sure with the cage there, if i was to roll i would come out better than some one with out a cage.
Think of it like that.


Don't think just because some one is putting an extra safety feture in their car, they are going to be driving like idiots. If that's the case, you might aswell take your air bags.
'Cause what's the point in them, if you're going to be driving sensibly, eh?:rolleyes:

bladebrew

strange i was only looking at this car the other day and wondering why someone put a rollcage in! i wouldnt think the insurance company would be happy when you listed a rollcage as a modification! looks normal enough in the car but may attract a boy racer type:):)



http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1022248

challengemaster

Tell ya, tis the truth with the way cars are built to crumple like coke cans these days.

Like I said, was at Prodrift yesterday - Guy put his s15 into a barrier at probably 80-100km/h side-on, and the bodykit wouldn't have been made from any metal at all.... Because all the cars have cages in them, and a proper racing harness the driver was fine after it.

Would love to see you get hit by a truck side on at 100km/h and be able to step out of most cars tbh.

Guy:Incognito

CianRyan wrote: »

Don't think just because some one is putting an extra safety feture in their car, they are going to be driving like idiots.:

Thats what the insurance comapny are thinking though.I doubt they class roll cages in the same bracket as airbags in fairness.i

CianRyan

Stekelly wrote: »

Thats what the insurance comapny are thinking though.I doubt they class roll cages in the same bracket as airbags in fairness.i

I don't really care what they think tbh, if they want to judge then them. I've never been one to change to some one elses idea of what should be, if some one wants to put a roll cage in their car then let them.
They should be classed in the same feild as airbags, they serve the same purpose: Saving lives.

randylonghorn

CianRyan wrote: »

Like people say, "i'd rather have a gun and not have to use it, than need a gun and not have one."

Bad comparison, Cian, tbh, you're not helping your own argument. A gun is designed to injure / kill; a cage is designed to protect life.

Neilw

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Insurers hate them. Can't imagine why

There is more chance of being killed in a car with a full roll cage...let me explain

Race/rally cars have cages fitted, the drivers also wear helmets and have multi point safety belts to keep them in strapped securely into their seats.

If your driving a car fitted with a full cage, with no helmet and standard seat belts there is a high chance of your head hitting one of the bars in an impact, solid bar and soft head is not a good combination. Padding will not help much either. Standard seat belts will not hold you securely enough into your seat.

CianRyan

randylonghorn wrote: »

Bad comparison, Cian, tbh, you're not helping your own argument. A gun is designed to injure / kill; a cage is designed to protect life.

It was more of a metiphor than a comparison. I'm sure you can see the likeness in that aspect.

challengemaster

randylonghorn wrote: »

Bad comparison, Cian, tbh, you're not helping your own argument. A gun is designed to injure / kill; a cage is designed to protect life.

Not really the worst comparison. Better to have a rollcage and not need it fitted, than to end up dead from a collision that crumples the car into a tin of beans. Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. See?

Neilw wrote: »

There is more chance of being killed in a car with a full roll cage...let me explain

Race/rally cars have cages fitted, the drivers also wear helmets and have multi point safety belts to keep them in strapped securely into their seats.

If your driving a car fitted with a full cage, with no helmet and standard seat belts there is a high chance of your head hitting one of the bars in an impact, solid bar and soft head is not a good combination. Padding will not help much either. Standard seat belts will not hold you securely enough into your seat.

Well, most seatbelts don't really have too much give in them, so although you've a chance of knocking off the bars, its not really increased a threat to your life as such.

Yeah, race cars do have multi point harnesses and proper racing seats, but what's the story about fitting racing harnesses to cars and keeping them road legal.

partyatmygaff

Neilw wrote: »

There is more chance of being killed in a car with a full roll cage...let me explain

Race/rally cars have cages fitted, the drivers also wear helmets and have multi point safety belts to keep them in strapped securely into their seats.

If your driving a car fitted with a full cage, with no helmet and standard seat belts there is a high chance of your head hitting one of the bars in an impact, solid bar and soft head is not a good combination. Padding will not help much either. Standard seat belts will not hold you securely enough into your seat.

Anyone that wants/needs a roll cage will probably want/can afford racing bucket seats and five point belts.

Have you ever personally seen a car where someone spends a few thousand on a cage but has standard seats with standard belts?

Neilw

challengemaster wrote: »

Not really the worst comparison. Better to have a rollcage and not need it fitted, than to end up dead from a collision that crumples the car into a tin of beans. Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. See?


Well, most seatbelts don't really have too much give in them, so although you've a chance of knocking off the bars, its not really increased a threat to your life as such.

Yeah, race cars do have multi point harnesses and proper racing seats, but what's the story about fitting racing harnesses to cars and keeping them road legal.

True there is little give in seatbelts, but they are never tight enough on you while driving to stop you raising out of the seat slightly in an impact/roll over. If your tall you could easily hit one of the bars around the roof.

A harness and racing seat would help alright, but my main point is I think insurance companies are wise to the fact that fatal injuries are more likely with full cages fitted and that's the reason their frowned upon.

CianRyan

Just out of spite for insurers, i'm going to fit the full racing set up into some car and drive it as carefully as possible, recording every second i am in the car.
they couldn't claim i was driving like a maniac and that's why i needed it, i'd have the evidence against it. And i'd be driving the safest car on the road. They'd have to give me low insurance.:rolleyes:

randylonghorn

CianRyan wrote: »

It was more of a metiphor than a comparison. I'm sure you can see the likeness in that aspect.

challengemaster wrote: »

Not really the worst comparison. Better to have a rollcage and not need it fitted, than to end up dead from a collision that crumples the car into a tin of beans. Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. See?

Oh, I got Cian's point all right, I'm half-pished not stupid, takes a lot more alcohol to do that ... :P

I'm just saying that dragging guns into the argument in any form is just bringing in a whole set of logic (or illogic very often) that will obfuscate the point you're making.

Turlock

Ha, nice debate going on here...

For info I'd be looking for a track car that I could drive to the track so would be wearing helmet / 5 point harness. It wouldn't be for general hooning :eek:

CianRyan

randylonghorn wrote: »

Oh, I got Cian's point all right, I'm half-pished not stupid, takes a lot more alcohol to do that ... :P

I'm just saying that dragging guns into the argument in any form is just bringing in a whole set of logic (or illogic very often) that will obfuscate the point you're making.

Fine i'll go replace the word gun with cake.
HAPPY?!:p

challengemaster

CianRyan wrote: »

Just out of spite for insurers, i'm going to fit the full racing set up into some car and drive it as carefully as possible, recording every second i am in the car.
they couldn't claim i was driving like a maniac and that's why i needed it, i'd have the evidence against it. And i'd be driving the safest car on the road. They'd have to give me low insurance.:rolleyes:

See, you're forgetting the most important factor. You're in Ireland. Logic works backwards here...

randylonghorn wrote: »

Oh, I got Cian's point all right, I'm half-pished not stupid, takes a lot more alcohol to do that ... :P

I'm just saying that dragging guns into the argument in any form is just bringing in a whole set of logic (or illogic very often) that will obfuscate the point you're making.

You're not stupid?! Could have fooled me mate! :pac: Guess I'm just used to you by now


Actually, out of curiousity - I know roll cages and proper racing seats are fine, but are racing harnesses actually road legal? I've a feeling that I heard before they weren't. And the fact that I've seen quite a few cars with bucket seats, cages and stock belts... hmm..

CianRyan

challengemaster wrote: »

Actually, out of curiousity - I know roll cages and proper racing seats are fine, but are racing harnesses actually road legal? I've a feeling that I heard before they weren't. And the fact that I've seen quite a few cars with bucket seats, cages and stock belts... hmm..

I'm pretty sure my mate has bucket seats and a 5 point belt in his mini. I haven't seen it for a while now, so i'm not sure. I'll find out though.
I actually think he might have a roll cage in it too.

Man... I love that car.

randylonghorn

CianRyan wrote: »

Fine i'll go replace the word gun with cake.
HAPPY?!:p

Yep. I like cake!!!

challengemaster wrote: »

You're not stupid?! Could have fooled me mate! :pac: Guess I'm just used to you by now

You actually ENJOY getting nutslapped into next week, don't you?!

Fishtits

A roll cage in a non competition car... FFS

Either a paranoid coward type expecting to be stuffed by every car they meet;

or: a driver that expects to test the cage due to their driving "style"

or: you think its sexy to have a cage...

PS, if you do have a cage, wear a helmet, the cage will kill you before it protects you, even comp cages, where the inhabitants wear helemets have to be sheathed with energy absorbing material.

Think about it. What is the true reason for it?

challengemaster

CianRyan wrote: »

I'm pretty sure my mate has bucket seats and a 5 point belt in his mini. I haven't seen it for a while now, so i'm not sure. I'll find out though.
I actually think he might have a roll cage in it too.

Man... I love that car.

Lol, sweet. I've actually been challenged to take my fiat punto 1.2 8v out on track for the craic, with R33 GTRs, Scoobies, 106gti, vtec civics, silvias etc (and tbh, I'm tempted to....it'd sure scratch that itch i've got to floor it ) Think I know what I'll be doing when I get some cash!

randylonghorn wrote: »

You actually ENJOY getting nutslapped into next week, don't you?!

quiet you!

Turlock

Fishtits wrote: »

A roll cage in a non competition car... FFS

Either a paranoid coward type expecting to be stuffed by every car they meet;

or: a driver that expects to test the cage due to their driving "style"

or: you think its sexy to have a cage...

PS, if you do have a cage, wear a helmet, the cage will kill you before it protects you, even comp cages, where the inhabitants wear helemets have to be sheathed with energy absorbing material.

Think about it. What is the true reason for it?

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