Muse

hypermuse

Decade of Decadence wrote: »

Do you have the Roundhouse gig set list?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZanpCrhYQMQ

skip to 10mins in.. gig starts there.. not the best of performances imo

miralize wrote: »

You could hear his voice struggling with a few songs last night. He'd pass out trying to sing SS :P

yea his voice wasn't that great (certainly was far from impressive) but I also think the sound engineer fecked up a bit.. For what was supposed to be backing vocals in most songs, his voice was just too loud and overstated!

Save me is not an easy song to listen too...

Racket

Ah, the Roundhouse gig was brilliant. That new album has so much energy live, delighted to have been there. Follow Me is a beast live. And Survival was amazeballs. As was pretty much every song off the album played. And even after having MotP at every gig I've been to, glad to hear it again. Was worried it would be lost in the new setlist mix.

miralize

hypermuse wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZanpCrhYQMQ

yea his voice wasn't that great (certainly was far from impressive) but I also think the sound engineer fecked up a bit.. For what was supposed to be backing vocals in most songs, his voice was just too loud and overstated!

Save me is not an easy song to listen too...

I had to mute it for a bit... hard enough song to sing, but with nervousness too... he'll get better, hopefully he'll do liquid state instead later

Mike Litoris

Decade of Decadence wrote: »

(Send Away the Tigers & Journal for Plague Lovers) are arguably some of their strongest output since The Holy Bible

hypermuse

Racket wrote: »

Ah, the Roundhouse gig was brilliant. That new album has so much energy live, delighted to have been there. Follow Me is a beast live. And Survival was amazeballs. As was pretty much every song off the album played. And even after having MotP at every gig I've been to, glad to hear it again. Was worried it would be lost in the new setlist mix.

when your there your always gonna enjoy it more! MotP is one of my favourite muse songs.. Would be devastated if they didn't play it come November!

I'd prefer MotP instead of starlight anyway thats for sure!

budgemook

MOTP probably the 2nd best song of black holes and revelations, Knights of Macedonia being the best. Starlight is great though. It's my drivin' across the Nullarbor song from Australia. Had just come out and I'll always associate the song with that time.

Xavi6

That setlist is very very disappointing

fitz

Anyone else think the new album is a bit lazy?

Far too many melody lines on the new record that are uncomfortably familiar.
Madness sounds like a slowed down version of George Michael's Faith, there's melodies/arrangements lifted from Queen's Don't Stop Me Now, Radiohead's No Surprises, Michael Jackson's Thriller, Zep's Kashmir....and that's only in the first half of the record.

Uprising had the Sabbath/Blondie reference, but I can't get my head around why they have so many really obvious melodic references to other songs on The 2nd Law.

As a fan, it's a huge turn off for me tbh.

Decade of Decadence

Mike Litoris wrote: »

You're not disagreeing with me I see

Decade of Decadence

fitz wrote: »

Anyone else think the new album is a bit lazy?

Far too many melody lines on the new record that are uncomfortably familiar.
Madness sounds like a slowed down version of George Michael's Faith, there's melodies/arrangements lifted from Queen's Don't Stop Me Now, Radiohead's No Surprises, Michael Jackson's Thriller, Zep's Kashmir....and that's only in the first half of the record.

Uprising had the Sabbath/Blondie reference, but I can't get my head around why they have so many really obvious melodic references to other songs on The 2nd Law.

As a fan, it's a huge turn off for me tbh.

My girlfriend said EXACTLY the same thing.

I did not the similarities, but didn't think there was THAT many at first.

Still though, think it's a solid, 7/10 album.

Basically re-inventing the wheel as far as Muse are concerned, but much prefer this to The Resistance

solarith

Xavi6 wrote: »

That setlist is very very disappointing

Regardless of everything else, overlooking they've just released a new album and want to promote it, ignoring they're not the same type of band as they once were.. where is hell is Hysteria!??!?

miralize

Its now called Panic Station :P

Xavi6

^^^ Blasphemy

miralize

Xavi6 wrote: »

^^^ Blasphemy

Same solo more or less! And arent you just the most negative person about the 2nd law.It's not that bad...

hypermuse

solarith wrote: »

Regardless of everything else, overlooking they've just released a new album and want to promote it, ignoring they're not the same type of band as they once were.. where is hell is Hysteria!??!?

they only played one song from absolution, that being TiRo.. *sigh*:(

At least they played 2 from OOS

Cool_CM

Mike Litoris wrote: »

Decade of Decadence wrote: »

(Send Away the Tigers & Journal for Plague Lovers) are arguably some of their strongest output since The Holy Bible

Switch The Holy Bible to Everything Must Go and you'd be spot on.

Xavi6

miralize wrote: »

Same solo more or less! And arent you just the most negative person about the 2nd law.It's not that bad...

I possibly am and it *is* that bad imo, music being subjective and all that.

miralize

I'm not challenging you, you have a right to be let down! It's just interesting

Racket

Xavi6 wrote: »

^^^ Blasphemy

Had much more fun during Panic Station than the 3 times with Hysteria anyhow.

Cool_CM

miralize wrote: »

Xavi6 wrote: »

^^^ Blasphemy

Same solo more or less! And arent you just the most negative person about the 2nd law.It's not that bad...

Read a review somewhere online which said something along the lines of that the album is hit and miss, when they hit it's a bullseye, but when they miss they miss completely.
It's unreasonable to expect a band like Muse not to evolve, but one of the best things about the band was that their albums never seemed to have a bad song on them. Even then, if they did, it grew on you. Especially if you heard a song on the album that they had started doing different things with live. The early album tours were amazing as you didn't know what to expect, the last ones have been choreographed so much that it's removed that sense of unexpectedness, which is a pity.

Xavi6

miralize wrote: »

I'm not challenging you, you have a right to be let down! It's just interesting

Without wanting to sound like a Muse snob, the sound is just all wrong. People getting to describe songs as "fun" and "funky" is not what I want from them, hence why I think Panic Station is such drivel for example.

I first saw Muse in 2002 and looking back at that setlist, they're now a completely different band apart from one or two songs and are now appealing to the type of people who wouldn't have given them the time of day.

Here's the setlist, and it still has that wow factor, something I can't say at all about the one posted earlier on. I guess that's the difference for me.

Space Dementia
Hysteria
New Born
Micro Cuts
Dead Star
Citizen Erased
Sunburn
Uno
Megalomania
Feeling Good
In Your World
Hyper Music
Muscle Museum
Plug In Baby
Bliss

hypermuse

Xavi6 wrote: »

Without wanting to sound like a Muse snob, the sound is just all wrong. People getting to describe songs as "fun" and "funky" is not what I want from them, hence why I think Panic Station is such drivel for example.

I first saw Muse in 2002 and looking back at that setlist, they're now a completely different band apart from one or two songs and are now appealing to the type of people who wouldn't have given them the time of day.

Here's the setlist, and it still has that wow factor, something I can't say at all about the one posted earlier on. I guess that's the difference for me.

yea but that was 10 years ago thou man.. Almost everybody who has commented on this thread would agree that that setlist trumps most setlists from the last 8-10 years say!

But its time to move on!! You cant expect a band to release 2-3 fantastic albums and then live off them for the rest of their lives!
People would get bored of it.. Muse themselves would get bored of it, hence why they have moved on and evolved to a different sound.

It may not suit everybody, each to their own opinion and all that

Decade of Decadence

Cool_CM wrote: »

Mike Litoris wrote: »

Decade of Decadence wrote: »

(Send Away the Tigers & Journal for Plague Lovers) are arguably some of their strongest output since The Holy Bible

Switch The Holy Bible to Everything Must Go and you'd be spot on.

Journal is stronger than EMG in my opinion!

Decade of Decadence

Set list when I saw them in the Button Factory/Temple Bar Mysic Centre in May 2000

Fillip
Riff
Sunburn
Cave
Plug In Baby
Agitated
Uno
Sober
Ashamed
Unintended
Muscle Museum
Showbiz


Sooooooooo good

Mike Litoris

Decade of Decadence wrote: »

You're not disagreeing with me I see

Remove them damn shades!!

iMuse

Muse played Bliss tonight in Paris Theres still hope yet

Decade of Decadence

iMuse wrote: »

Muse played Bliss tonight in Paris Theres still hope yet

Not really, it was played at the expense of Plug In Baby, and I'd much prefer to here P.I.B to Bliss live.

This must be the first time in 12 years they've not played it

SantryRed

Do people actually like the new album?

miralize

I do. I like their older stuff much more but I like the new stuff too.

hypermuse

iMuse wrote: »

Muse played Bliss tonight in Paris Theres still hope yet

great to hear but would also personally prefer to hear PiB than bliss! Well really I'd love to hear both!!

Decade of Decadence

SantryRed wrote: »

Do people actually like the new album?

Love Supremacy and Panic Station, meh about the others so far, but will give it a proper listen today

hypermuse

Decade of Decadence wrote: »

Love Supremacy and Panic Station, meh about the others so far, but will give it a proper listen today

I'm loving madness.. The live version they did on Jools Holland is brilliant! Made me appreciate the song alot more for some reason. Have it on my phone now and everything.

Decade of Decadence

hypermuse wrote: »

Decade of Decadence wrote: »

Love Supremacy and Panic Station, meh about the others so far, but will give it a proper listen today

I'm loving madness.. The live version they did on Jools Holland is brilliant! Made me appreciate the song alot more for some reason. Have it on my phone now and everything.

Quite like Animals at the moment!

Wing126

SantryRed wrote: »

Do people actually like the new album?

Yes. I find it very enjoyable. I like every song on the album. I do find Unsustainable to be the weakest of the lot but this version of it is better imo http://soundcloud.com/lukehmuse/unsustainble-no-news-reporter

SantryRed

Wing126 wrote: »

Yes. I find it very enjoyable. I like every song on the album. I do find Unsustainable to be the weakest of the lot but this version of it is better imo http://soundcloud.com/lukehmuse/unsustainble-no-news-reporter

You like Survival?

Wing126

Yep. Very enjoyable and intense, it would be an amazing song to see live I think.

Decade of Decadence

Panic Station will be deadly live

hypermuse

Survival is a nice song musically.. Its just hard to forgive those horrendous lyrics!

Cool_CM

In my attempts to get this on my phone as soon as possible I fupped up the synch and it's now the only music I have to listen to. In fairness, it's a grower. Quite liking Explorers and Liquid State above all others.
Follow me just reminds me of Freddie's Living on my own and you can totally imagine them writing supremacy with the specific aim of being a Bond song as opposed to Dom coming out and saying the other day that it would just suit it.
All in all, it's not the Muse I love but it's not the worst.

miralize

In fairness it's a would be cracking Bond song. Hopefully its included in the end-credits or something

ManOfMystery

Have been listening to the album for the last few days and have to say, it's definitely improved with repeated listens. It's not as instantly compelling to listen to as their older stuff, but give it some time and the songs are growers. I actually quite like it now, apart from Panic Station which still sounds like a Queen-meets-Inxs cheesefest no matter how many times I listen to it.

Decade of Decadence

Go listen to the opening few lines of 'Explorers' and tell me it's not a complete rip off of Queens 'Dont Stop Me Now'

ManOfMystery

Decade of Decadence wrote: »

Go listen to the opening few lines of 'Explorers' and tell me it's not a complete rip off of Queens 'Dont Stop Me Now'

It has a similar tempo on piano, but a totally different arrangement and tone so no ......... I don't think it's a complete rip off of Queens 'Dont Stop Me Now'. And I say that as a massive Queen fan whio generally doesn't like bands who try and emulate them.

Decade of Decadence

ManOfMystery wrote: »

Decade of Decadence wrote: »

Go listen to the opening few lines of 'Explorers' and tell me it's not a complete rip off of Queens 'Dont Stop Me Now'

It has a similar tempo on piano, but a totally different arrangement and tone so no ......... I don't think it's a complete rip off of Queens 'Dont Stop Me Now'. And I say that as a massive Queen fan whio generally doesn't like bands who try and emulate them.

From reading YouTube comments a lot of people beg to differ!

Madness also reminds me of 'Its a kind of Magic'

Meesared

Decade of Decadence wrote: »

From reading YouTube comments a lot of people beg to differ!

Madness also reminds me of 'Its a kind of Magic'

I don't think YouTube comments are the best source of reasoned debate

hypermuse

There is alot of Queen sounds in their songs, and not just from their new this album. I don't know how that is supposed to be a bad thing tbh.


But to call it a rip off of Queen is just wrong.. Yea it has a similar sound but they are hardly blantly trying to rip off Queen now!

Nothing wrong with showing where your inspiration comes from in some songs.

ManOfMystery

Exactly.

You might pick out a similar note here or there, but the same could be said of many songs/bands. Muse are very obviously inspired by Queen, and that's been known for a while based on their last few albums. However I wouldn't say any of their songs are a ripoff.

Ice Ice Baby by Vanilla Ice - that's an example of a Queen rip-off. I think they even went to court over it.

fitz

They're not ripping of any songs entirely.
But they are taking very recognisable melody lines from other songs and re-using them - as I said in a previous post.
Personally, I think it's lazy from a band as talented as Muse.

Decade of Decadence

fitz wrote: »

They're not ripping of any songs entirely.
But they are taking very recognisable melody lines from other songs and re-using them - as I said in a previous post.
Personally, I think it's lazy from a band as talented as Muse.

Well said

Decade of Decadence

They have never been afraid to wear their influences on their sleeves but I feel they've taken it a step too far