Discussion Alliance

Handsome Bob

SDooM wrote: »

I guess the choice is do you want the in depth discussion (which is clearly keeping the masses from voting) or if you want a popularity contest in the next one.

The popularity contest isn't of much value anyway, the tournament ends quicker, that's it.

I think I'll reduce the votes required from eight to six next time, I have to talk to Pter about it.

Galvasean

Overheal wrote: »

im not. im just wondering. what i was aiming for was a tight battle so i am trying to suss what the tightest one would have been.

Heck maybe i should have just left Iron Man to do it by himself then :pac:

How about a rematch where Iron Man and War Machine team up with Batman... and he gets to use THIS!

Galvasean

LZ5by5 wrote: »

The popularity contest isn't of much value anyway, the tournament ends quicker, that's it.

Popularity is fickle. The Transformers are kicking ass and taking names right now partially because of the wave of hype that comes with their new movie, but if there wasn't a shiny new movie (that the Nocs are going to conveniently enough) they probably wouldn't be doing as well.
Kind of like how the Joker beat Doomsday (somehow) off the back of The Dark Knight's popularity.

Rhyme

LZ5by5 wrote: »

I think I'll reduce the votes required from eight to six next time, I have to talk to Pter about it.

Maybe throw around the idea of removing a vote quota and having the team with the most votes at the end of a set amount of time taking the win.

LZ5by5 wrote: »

If we didn't have to give reasons, I think arguably all three of the competitors in this final could have been knocked out due to them coming up against popular teams.

I tend to balance 'who I want to win' with 'who should win' to keep things varied keeping in mind inherent abilities and my own perceptions of the character. When I write my little spiels about the characters, I usually haven't decided my vote until the last few lines.

Handsome Bob

Galvasean wrote: »

Popularity is fickle. The Transformers are kicking ass and taking names right now partially because of the wave of hype that comes with their new movie, but if there wasn't a shiny new movie (that the Nocs are going to conveniently enough) they probably wouldn't be doing as well.
Kind of like how the Joker beat Doomsday (somehow) off the back of The Dark Knight's popularity.

Ah I don't know, there seems to be a core group of people around the Noc that are hardcore Transformer fans. I think anyone who has voted for them has voted because they genuinely know their **** (unfortunately:p)!

But I totally hear you on the Joker and Doomsday, that's another case of no-one knowing who the hell the "other guy" (Doomsday) was!

Rhyme wrote: »

Maybe throw around the idea of removing a vote quota and having the team with the most votes at the end of a set amount of time taking the win.

Good idea man, I think that would be the way to go at this stage.

I tend to balance 'who I want to win' with 'who should win' to keep things varied keeping in mind inherent abilities and my own perceptions of the character. When I write my little spiels about the characters, I usually haven't decided my vote until the last few lines.

That's the way to do it man, I'd hate to think people were voting with just an idea of one side without not having an idea about the other side.

Doctor DooM

The popularity thing is why I was so pushy in favour of the doctor.


i'd say bats would win in a fight 4 times out of 10 with the doc. It'd be close. But I would have hated if batdude walked it. Thankfully there was pter to make it a proper debate.

Overheal

Okay now I want to know: who wins between Predator and Batman?

Blame LZ's sig. Its been bugging me for ages now.

Rhyme

Overheal wrote: »

Okay now I want to know: who wins between Predator and Batman?

Blame LZ's sig. Its been bugging me for ages now.

I made the sig from a scan, I'd hate to spoil the ending (and subsequent sequels) but my money would be on Batman.

Handsome Bob

45 minutes away from crowning MegaPrime champions.

Doctor DooM

Game over.

So... whats happening next gentiles?

chopperbyrne

I didn't vote in the final because I couldn't decide between the Cybertronians and Hulk.

Handsome Bob

SDooM wrote: »

Game over.

So... whats happening next gentiles?

As in?

Galvasean

Overheal wrote: »

Okay now I want to know: who wins between Predator and Batman?

Blame LZ's sig. Its been bugging me for ages now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOZVp9NFhQE

cyberwolf77

Overheal wrote: »

Okay now I want to know: who wins between Predator and Batman?

Blame LZ's sig. Its been bugging me for ages now.

Batman actually beat two Predators on seperate occasions in the comics

Handsome Bob

I won't pit Megatron against Optimus Prime, it defeats the purpose of their "Deadly Alliance". Megatron just gets in a cheap shot on Optimus and escapes.:p:pac:

Galvasean

LZ5by5 wrote: »

I won't pit Megatron against Optimus Prime, it defeats the purpose of their "Deadly Alliance". Megatron just gets in a cheap shot on Optimus and escapes.:p:pac:

After a startling admission...

Handsome Bob

Hey people, I feel Pter and I have a good opportunity in this thread to get feedback from posters in regards to what the next tournament should be like. All ideas welcome as this is about you, the Nocturnal posters, and you all getting as much enjoyment out of this as possible.:)

Rhyme

Historical figures duke it out.

Video game pro/antagonists beat the piss out of each other.

Movie pro/antagonists tear each other apart.

Celebrity stars from stage, screen and television pull hair and haul ass.

Handsome Bob

Rhyme wrote: »

Historical figures duke it out.

Video game pro/antagonists beat the piss out of each other.

Movie pro/antagonists tear each other apart.

Hmmmm......if we go down the route that DooM wants, i.e. leagues, then that can be perfectly adaptable.

Celebrity stars from stage, screen and television pull hair and haul ass.

This one would be up to the mods and whether they feel it would be within the remit of the forum.

Doctor DooM

I'd rather we keep it to the realm of fictional, tbh. Waaa too many can o' worms with alive people and not in the remit of the forum- Supposed to be spooky, remember (although we allow nerdy too).

Handsome Bob

SDooM wrote: »

I'd rather we keep it to the realm of fictional, tbh. Waaa too many can o' worms with alive people and not in the remit of the forum- Supposed to be spooky, remember (although we allow nerdy too).

So would that cross out historical as well as celebrity?

Doctor DooM

LZ5by5 wrote: »

So would that cross out historical as well as celebrity?

Depends how historical. I'm not going to put out Joan of Ark (who was basically an emo, anyway).

Steve Irwin? Maybe not.

Galvasean

No real people. Seriously bad can o' worms.

Handsome Bob

SDooM wrote: »

Depends how historical. I'm not going to put out Joan of Ark (who was basically an emo, anyway).

Steve Irwin? Maybe not.

Galvasean wrote: »

No real people. Seriously bad can o' worms.

Points taken.

I haven't spoken to Pter about it in a few days but we were leaning towards a fantasy draft. I know DooM is reluctant, but I just want to see what the general consensus is. It's either fantasy draft or leagues, it's up to yourselves. Bare in mind the fantasy draft would require more commitment, but it would certainly give you more control as to how your chosen characters fare in the tourament.

Rhyme

SDooM wrote: »

I'm not going to put out Joan of Ark (who was basically an emo, anyway).

Fan of Clone High?

Doctor DooM

Basically I think there should be leagues. I pointed out examples before. Fights chosen randomly. Perhaps a number of champions could fight at the end.

I guess the question would be how ou run the leagues...

We keep this thread open and make a rule that only current battle discussion goes on in the thread. I'll actively enforce and move posts between one and the other and keep it straight.

That'd be the DooMidea.

Handsome Bob

SDooM wrote: »

Basically I think there should be leagues. I pointed out examples before. Fights chosen randomly. Perhaps a number of champions could fight at the end.

I guess the question would be how ou run the leagues...

We keep this thread open and make a rule that only current battle discussion goes on in the thread. I'll actively enforce and move posts between one and the other and keep it straight.

That'd be the DooMidea.

What do ya mean?

Doctor DooM

Rhyme wrote: »

Fan of Clone High?

Never even heard of it!

LZ5by5 wrote: »

What do ya mean?

I mean... do you do the leagues one by one? Or do you skip from one to the other?

Obviously if there's a draft, this is irrelivant.

Rhyme

SDooM wrote: »

Never even heard of it!

Ah, never mind. Joan of Arc is an emo in it *shrugs*

Handsome Bob

SDooM wrote: »

I mean... do you do the leagues one by one? Or do you skip from one to the other?

Hmmmm, as I said it's a concensus we're looking for, what do you all think would be the best route?

Doctor DooM

If you go down a draft route, who picks the drafts?

Handsome Bob

Pter and I talked it over and we agreed that we wouldn't limit the pool of characters that you can draft from, other than disallowing huge forces such as Galactus.

You could pick 1 character each, anyone you'd like, from 5 seeded groups such as Robots, Super powered beings (either hero or villain), human heroes, Mystics and demons/vampires.

cyberwolf77

I had an idea for a funny division actually.
Here's a few examples I came up with:
Chucky(Child's Play)vs. Stewie Griffin(Family Guy)
R2-D2 vs. K-9(Doctor Who)
C3-PO vs. Shaggy (Scooby-Doo)

Doctor DooM

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Pter and I talked it over and we agreed that we wouldn't limit the pool of characters that you can draft from, other than disallowing huge forces such as Galactus.

You could pick 1 character each, anyone you'd like, from 5 seeded groups such as Robots, Super powered beings (either hero or villain), human heroes, Mystics and demons/vampires.

I'm confused... we're all fighting against each other? With teams? How does the voting work?

We'll be dangerously open to political voting... or am I getting this wrong?

Handsome Bob

SDooM wrote: »

I'm confused... we're all fighting against each other? With teams? How does the voting work?

We'll be dangerously open to political voting... or am I getting this wrong?

To be honest I haven't fully worked out the voting aspect with Pter, it's still in the early stages of development. But I imagine what would happen is that users are drawn against each other, and they both pick a character out of their five to represent them. Then each user will write an argument as to why they feel their character would win the bout.

Admittedly it would require a lot of commitment and hard work, but Pro Wrestling and Soccer have done this, and they seemingly haven't had any issues in regards to political voting.

That's how the draft would work if we decide to go down that route. But as I said, we are still in the early stages.

cyberwolf77

SDooM wrote: »

I'm confused... we're all fighting against each other? With teams? How does the voting work?

We'll be dangerously open to political voting... or am I getting this wrong?

Un less LZ plans to have the draft determine pairings in the competition.

Baggly

I think LZ said it best when he said we will end up with a tournament(or perhaps league) of who picked the best team

I think its a natural progression and incorporates at least part of most of the suggestions made before about ensuring hyper powered beings dont end up facing 'human' heores.

Doctor DooM

Pter wrote: »

I think its a natural progression and incorporates at least part of most of the suggestions made before about ensuring hyper powered beings dont end up facing 'human' heores.

Definitely. The closer the fight, the more interesting it is.

Overheal

I could just imagine a robot league being seriously dominated by transformers.

Gizmodo tried one a while back with a light and heavyweight division. Megatron and Caprica Six took it away wildly due to popular vote and nothing to do with actual combat. Though Megatron did lose out finally to MegaMaid from Spaceballs.

Baggly

Well thats the good thing about the draft....people are going to pick strong contenders....hence there will be few competitors in the fights who wouldnt actually belong there.

grames_bond

am i reading this right....it is basically a nocturnal/fantacy version of the pro wrestling draft?! in which each person gets their pic in order to build up a team etc?

Galvasean

cyberwolf77 wrote: »

I had an idea for a funny division actually.
Here's a few examples I came up with:
Chucky(Child's Play)vs. Stewie Griffin(Family Guy)
R2-D2 vs. K-9(Doctor Who)
C3-PO vs. Shaggy (Scooby-Doo)

Could do a series of 'grudge matches' before the next proper tournament begins.

Doctor DooM

I got to say lads I have a confused. Maybe because I don't really know what a draft is in this meaning of the word, so if it sounds like I am asking stoopid questions I pwomise I'm not.

If I'm reading this right-

There's a pool of characters.

Lets say randomly SDooM and Nerin are picked to fight each other, in the Giant Robot league.

SDooM picks Optimus Prime. Nerin picks Voltron.

From the same pool? From seperate ones? From a pool we picked earlier? If one "player" picks a character, does that mean no one else can?

SDooM gives his reasons why Prime would win this fight, using logic, humour, whatever.

Nerin does the same for Voltron.

Then people vote on the winner? Is that it?

Of course, DooMPrime would win.

Is it Doom or Optimus who goes through to the next round?

If it's Doom, can Optimus be used again?

Or is it, you'd pick one character per league? And your stuck with him?

If so, can someone else also pick that character? If not, who decides who picks first?

*scratches head*

Baggly

LZ need to go over it some more.

But basically...no

Each person who is competing gets 5 picks

Each pick should be from 1 of five types (robot, human, super powered....etc)

Then people, lets say Doom and Nerin for examples sake are drawn against each other for the first round

Doom and Nerin fight with their (for example) robot characters this time

Voting is something LZ and i have to agree on, but again, lets say its a public vote based on the facts that each person presents regarding why they think their fighter should win.

A character (eg Prime) can only be chosen once by one player for the whole tourney (so once Doom picks Prime, he is stuck with him for the whole thing and noone else can pick him)

The winner would be the person who has the team that has racked up the most wins accross all 5 types of hero.

I think. Thats just my idea. Have to discuss with LZ but thought you guys should know the gist.

And i mean very gisty.

Doctor DooM

thanks. Obviously I was really confused.

chopperbyrne

Do one based solely on 80s cartoon characters.

Exclude any Transformers though because it would be an automatic win for them.

Characters from Mask, Thundercats, TMNT, He-Man, She-Ra, Bravestarr, Gem & The Holograms (for the ladies), Inspector Gadget, GI Joe/Action Force, etc, etc.

Everyone knows the 80s produced the best cartoons ever.

Baggly

I was gonna say She Ra was for the ladies too....but we all know thats not strictly true

Ah young love....

The Don

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Do one based solely on 80s cartoon characters.

Exclude any Transformers though because it would be an automatic win for them.

Characters from Mask, Thundercats, TMNT, He-Man, She-Ra, Bravestarr, Gem & The Holograms (for the ladies), Inspector Gadget, GI Joe/Action Force, etc, etc.

Everyone knows the 80s produced the best cartoons ever.

Danger Mouse would beat them all

Baggly

And im sure Sharkey and George would figure it all out.

Rhyme

The Turtles.


...oh boy.