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Bulmers Announce 10% reduction on their Pint Bottle of Cider
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02-06-2009 5:22pm#1
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As mentioned above, you can serve the bottled version over ice. Making it colder means you don't have to taste it. Another win for people who don't like the taste of drink.
Is that it though?! In a pub I worked in a few years ago, the cider drinkers would usually go for a pint of draught with a side glass full of ice. /recession tip for above mentioned peoples 0 -
toiletduck wrote: »I saw the letter they sent out. Laughable really, looking for sympathy and all.
I don't "get" the concept of a pint bottle, is there really that much of a difference between draught and it tastewise?
One reason people prefer is, you know what your getting from a bottle. With draft stuff it can vary from pub to pub depending on their pints. Then there's the pouring your own in to a pint glass with ice, makes you thing there's more of it
It just sounds messier with a draft pint and ice on the side. 0 -
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keep in mind bottles are often more per ml than draught because of the cost of storing and sorting of the bottles for recycling.
This tirade is not aimed at you lmtduffy
But that is more rubbish from the Vintners trade trying to justify the bull on pricing. We are being totally ripped off and the pub trade is dying on it's feet yet they will not tackle the one reason that people are not going to the pup as often as they did ... pricing :rolleyes: ... idiots ... how can you feel sorry for a trade like that.
I used to work in a night club when I was a lad and 2 people could sort a whole raft of bottles in the bottle yard in an hour. So the extra labour is minimal in the big scheme of things. Soft drink mixers cost pittance and they is at least a 10 fold mark up on them. A vodka & Coke should cost the same as a pint or close to it.
Next put 1 Keg (88pints) beside 4 boxes of stacked beer x 24 bottles (96 beers) . Where is the major space difference, I actually think the keg may take up more space and is much heavier so a bigger effort in moving from yard to keg room. You have to provide fridges for bottles of beer but you have to have a whole spare room (basement) with coolers, gas canisters pipes with draught. Which is easier to manage tell me.
So where is all the extra work coming from ... oh yea I'll give the getting rid of the boxes a bit of an extra there. There may be a cost in getting rid of the packaging but a smart manager should be able to recycle for free.
The Vintners Association :mad:0 -
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keep in mind bottles are often more per ml than draught because of the cost of storing and sorting of the bottles for recycling.
This tirade is not aimed at you lmtduffy
But that is more rubbish from the Vintners trade trying to justify the bull on pricing. We are being totally ripped off and the pub trade is dying on it's feet yet they will not tackle the one reason that people are not going to the pup as often as they did ... pricing :rolleyes: ... idiots ... how can you feel sorry for a trade like that.
I used to work in a night club when I was a lad and 2 people could sort a whole raft of bottles in the bottle yard in an hour. So the extra labour is minimal in the big scheme of things. Soft drink mixers cost pittance and they is at least a 10 fold mark up on them. A vodka & Coke should cost the same as a pint or close to it.
Next put 1 Keg (88pints) beside 4 boxes of stacked beer x 24 bottles (96 beers) . Where is the major space difference, I actually think the keg may take up more space and is much heavier so a bigger effort in moving from yard to keg room. You have to provide fridges for bottles of beer but you have to have a whole spare room (basement) with coolers, gas canisters pipes with draught. Which is easier to manage tell me.
So where is all the extra work coming from ... oh yea I'll give the getting rid of the boxes a bit of an extra there. There may be a cost in getting rid of the packaging but a smart manager should be able to recycle for free.
The Vintners Association :mad:0 -
And there are many many people who do not like the taste of booze. Bulmers is very like cidona and many people like ice in their soft drinks. It also dilutes it so means there is more to drink, it is popular on sunny days, if it is daytime and people are only having one or 2 drinks you often see people drinking them more. It will not have as much of a dehydrating effect if taking in more water. Of course you can just drink a glass of water every so often but the macho men are more scared of water than even diet drinks. Getting your water is a sneaky way around the machoness, just like pepsi max or coke zero are for real men, none of that poncy diet stuff;)Making it colder means you don't have to taste it. Another win for people who don't like the taste of drink.
Never saw ice on the side, you would have to drink a bit and then stick ice in, would be messy. Some will moan about unclean pipes and then go stick a ice cube in made with dirty water handled by the piss drenched hand of a barmanOne reason people prefer is, you know what your getting from a bottle. With draft stuff it can vary from pub to pub depending on their pints. Then there's the pouring your own in to a pint glass with ice, makes you thing there's more of it It just sounds messier with a draft pint and ice on the side. 0 -
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IrishWhiskeyCha wrote: »Next put 1 Keg (88pints) beside 4 boxes of stacked beer x 24 bottles (96 beers) .
How many pints are in a beer? If it's 330ml bottles then it's
50 (roughly) litres (keg) compaired to 31.5 litres (bottles) even with 500ml bottles it's 48 litres, only a litre or two in the difference though
Actually, do the suppliers take back the bottles like the kegs or do the pubs have to get rid of them on their own?0 -
IrishWhiskeyCha wrote: »This tirade is not aimed at you lmtduffy
But that is more rubbish from the Vintners trade trying to justify the bull on pricing. We are being totally ripped off and the pub trade is dying on it's feet yet they will not tackle the one reason that people are not going to the pup as often as they did ... pricing :rolleyes: ... idiots ... how can you feel sorry for a trade like that.
I used to work in a night club when I was a lad and 2 people could sort a whole raft of bottles in the bottle yard in an hour. So the extra labour is minimal in the big scheme of things. Soft drink mixers cost pittance and they is at least a 10 fold mark up on them. A vodka & Coke should cost the same as a pint or close to it.
Next put 1 Keg (88pints) beside 4 boxes of stacked beer x 24 bottles (96 beers) . Where is the major space difference, I actually think the keg may take up more space and is much heavier so a bigger effort in moving from yard to keg room. You have to provide fridges for bottles of beer but you have to have a whole spare room (basement) with coolers, gas canisters pipes with draught. Which is easier to manage tell me.
So where is all the extra work coming from ... oh yea I'll give the getting rid of the boxes a bit of an extra there. There may be a cost in getting rid of the packaging but a smart manager should be able to recycle for free.
The Vintners Association :mad:
No I agree completely they are taking the piss, but bottles are more labour intensive than kegs when it comes to storing,moving, serving and disposing.
And bottles take up space behind the bar and need to be brought from the cold/store room to the bar, they need to be restocked quiet often too if you wan to keep the fridges full as well as being sorted for recycling and yeh its easy to get through one in an hour with two people, but a lot of paces may have up to and over 10 to do after a Saturday night.
And regardless if a manager can get things recycled for free your still paying for someone to get the bottles form cold room to bar, bar to where ever you sort them and then to sort them by hand into there respective crates which also have to be stored until some one comes to take them.
Kegs are brought to the one place and can be changed there and removed from there.0 -
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