Corrib gas, the truth is out

sligometalhead

K-9 wrote: »

Oh, this is a serious accusation.

Young children getting filmed.

And Michael Dwyer links.

Do you have any evidence for this?

Heres a link to the RTE documentary on Dwyer and his fascist terrorist colleagues that worked for Shell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zboPyh7LNuQ

The Waltzing Consumer:

The only big difference here is that legally, the Gardai and Shell have a right to do so, and they admit they use force, whilst S2S do not have a right to use force or police areas i.e. checkpoints, and S2S always pretend and deny they have done nothing wrong at all.

Actually that is one of the big problems there - there is one law for Shell and another for everyone else

Much of what the Gardai, Shell and IRMS have done and continue to do is illegal. Intimidation, assault, unlawful detention, unlawful arrest, trespass, criminal damage, Gardai and security personnel hiding their ID's in contravention of the law and a host of other offences. Yet not one of them has faced the courts or being jailed for their criminality

Duncan

The judge was NOT the very lenient Mary Devins that S2S seem to have a problem with.

There are many very very good reasons why Devins should not have been allowed near any cases to do with the Shell project as their is a clear conflict of interest.

She is the wife of FF TD former Minister Jimmy Devins of FF, the party who allowed Shell into Erris and who continue to push them on the people of Mayo and defend their activities.

Secondly Jimmy Devins is a shareholder in Standard Life which is one of Shells top ten stakeholders. As such it is is in Devins financial interests to see an end to protests against Shell and the speedy creation of the pipeline in order to maximise profits for Devins (both of them)

Also her behaviour in the courts in cases related to the protests has been truly shocking where she has let her personal prejudices interfere clearly with her ability to fairly adjudicate in the courts.

Bosco boy

If people behaved themselves they wouldn't be in court in the first place!

sligometalhead

Bosco boy wrote: »

If people behaved themselves they wouldn't be in court in the first place!

Ya think? Birmingham 6 and Guildford 4 might just be a few who would disagree with you

And the point is that wehn the Gardai, IRMS and Shell misbehave (commit crimes) they do not end up in court

galwayrush

sligometalhead wrote: »

And the point is that wehn the Gardai, IRMS and Shell misbehave (commit crimes) they do not end up in court

What crimes did they commmit? Any charges?

sligometalhead

galwayrush wrote: »

What crimes did they commmit? Any charges?

No thats the very point. The courts ruled that a whole host of people had been illegally arrested yet no charges were brought against them. Shell personnel held people captive illegally within their illegal compound at Glengad. Both Gardai and Shell (and IRMS) have trespassed and caused ciminal damage on private land.

I personally witnessed both IRMS personnel and Gardai side by side assaulting people on private property at Glengad.

Numerous independent reports have outlined a litany of human rights abuses carried out by Shell, IRMS and the Gardai yet not one of them has appeared before the courts. One for law for them, another for everyone else

Bosco boy

Maybe shell to sea should run a candidate in the next election and with all the support you say they have they should have no problem getting elected. I know your down 50% of your votes with alot of the protestors being British.

Is mise le key

The fact that the deal was done with shell in the first place by Bertie ahern & Ray Burke bith discredited as being dishonest politicians gioves legitimacy to the terms being renegotited in their entirety.

sligometalhead

Bosco boy wrote: »

Maybe shell to sea should run a candidate in the next election and with all the support you say they have they should have no problem getting elected. I know your down 50% of your votes with alot of the protestors being British.

Not sure who that post is aimed at - Why not hold a referendum on whether we should continue to give away our natural resources including the Corrib Gas or whether we should nationalise them?

Would you support holding such a referendum Bosco boy?

Eric Cartman

will those left wing hippy nutjobs ever just go home, when this non-issue started it was a rake of hippy indymedia bullsh*t about how the pipeline is dangerous and could explode, now those wackos have changed their tune and said that its because we gave away the gas rights to shell , Lock them all up , between that delusional chap who pretended he got beaten up under that truck to that nutter aul wan who locked herself in her car and pretended to be on hunger strike , to the 'rossport 5' who acted like martyrs in prison , all of them have no realistic factual opinion and dont know how to do anything except cuse trouble and hang out in dirty tents with hippys

shell and the gardai are 100% right and I welcome any harm that comes to these nutters trying to stop the progress of the pipeline.

*awaits the replies of dosile students and brainwashed socialist supporters and hippys who got angry because they ran out of weed and noodles*

Duncan31

Iorras55 wrote: »

how long ago is this that you're talking about? It sounds to me like the time (summer 2008) that Maura was on hunger strike at that gate on those old people's land that they sold out, where the mercenary security hides behind and the Solitaire was trying to lay the pipeline in the bay. It also sounds to me like you were there adding to the menace to the local people where every nosy tom dick and harry came nosing about and blocked up all the roads and locals could not get to their own houses. I remember it well. The guards tried to clear nosey people who came to gawp away from the area so that local people could get to their houses. Local people were very angry but it was not S2S people. It was every nosy fuker from belmullet and further afield came to see the 'big boat' or maybe Maura on hunger strike! Sad! That's the last time a scene like that was at those gates. And, you are admitting that you were part of that rabble. Shame on you!

Forgot about this thread.
Shame on me for driving around my own local area? Are you for real? I think I have a hell of a more right to be there anytime of day or night than a gang of f***ing hippy blowins creating havoc!
Ive been Delayed on the odd occasion getting to my home too with lots of locals sightseeing at times when Solitaire was around etc. Its kind of annoying being delayed but everyone should be able to have a look at whats happening or do you believe only the hippies should be involved? The irony of course is that three times as many locals could have come & gone without issue if it wasnt for the hippy presence which then required Gardai roadblocks to get an idea if you were a troublemaker or not. Needless to say, the normal folks were dealt with in a friendly manner by the gardai, I guess only the people travelling 10 to a van looking like they lived in a field were denied access for fear of trouble.

The recent reports of the UK police officer undercover with the hippies in rossport is quite funny. It just shows the kind of gathering of people thats down there, nobody knowing where the others are from or their background. S2S were well able to spout out all about dodgy characters working for security while its unknown what kind of individuals or groups are in action on s2s side. The policeman also had lots of cash and transport. This was enough to gain him popularity within the hippy groups there which just goes to show what a free loading group of assholes they are. He was quite successful with the hippy ladies too a believe having assumed a position of some power within the little community while at the same time reporting all to the uk government.

sligometalhead

Duncan31

The judge was NOT the very lenient Mary Devins that S2S seem to have a problem with.

There are many very very good reasons why Devins should not have been allowed near any cases to do with the Shell project as their is a clear conflict of interest.

She is the wife of FF TD former Minister Jimmy Devins of FF, the party who allowed Shell into Erris and who continue to push them on the people of Mayo and defend their activities.

Secondly Jimmy Devins is a shareholder in Standard Life which is one of Shells top ten stakeholders. As such it is is in Devins financial interests to see an end to protests against Shell and the speedy creation of the pipeline in order to maximise profits for Devins (both of them)

Also her behaviour in the courts in cases related to the protests has been truly shocking where she has let her personal prejudices interfere clearly with her ability to fairly adjudicate in the courts.

profitius

Big companies have a lot of spare cash and brown envelopes.

The Waltzing Consumer

Bosco boy wrote: »

Maybe shell to sea should run a candidate in the next election and with all the support you say they have they should have no problem getting elected. I know your down 50% of your votes with alot of the protestors being British.

sligometalhead wrote: »

Not sure who that post is aimed at - Why not hold a referendum on whether we should continue to give away our natural resources including the Corrib Gas or whether we should nationalise them?

Would you support holding such a referendum Bosco boy?

Way to dodge the original comment sligometalhead

We will be having a general election pretty soon, what candidates will S2S be putting forward? They should have no problems getting elected since it is widely claimed by S2S that they have a majority of support in the area. It should be even easier now that FF will be getting a major thumping in the election so less competition.

As for your counter-point of a referendum, is it a constitutional issue, which would require a referendum? I am hoping you brought up the idea of a referendum because you have the sources showing it is constitutional issue, I myself have no idea.

Eric Cartman

sligometalhead wrote: »

Not sure who that post is aimed at - Why not hold a referendum on whether we should continue to give away our natural resources including the Corrib Gas or whether we should nationalise them?

Would you support holding such a referendum Bosco boy?

we ****ed up everything we nationalised, FACT

HSE - shambles
telecom eireann was a shambles, we sold eircell and it took off
aer lingus - shambles

sligometalhead

The Waltzing Consumer

Way to dodge the original comment sligometalhead

The comment wasn't directed at me so it wasnt a dodge as you try to put it

We will be having a general election pretty soon, what candidates will S2S be putting forward?

Considering they are not a political party, and have people of varying parties and none within it, I would say they would be running as many candidates as Shell will run and Mayo pro-gas will run

profitius

Eric Cartman wrote: »

we ****ed up everything we nationalised, FACT

HSE - shambles
telecom eireann was a shambles, we sold eircell and it took off
aer lingus - shambles

How about running things properly. Its not hard to do.

Eric Cartman

profitius wrote: »

How about running things properly. Its not hard to do.

the only way to run something properly is to have it as a private entity competing for service , privatization is the only way and competition is the only force that keeps a company run well and profitable

nationalization/socialism/whatever you want to call it and putting committees in charge of things do not end well

The Waltzing Consumer

sligometalhead wrote: »

The Waltzing Consumer

The comment wasn't directed at me so it wasnt a dodge as you try to put it




Considering they are not a political party, and have people of varying parties and none within it, I would say they would be running as many candidates as Shell will run and Mayo pro-gas will run

Well, it was an old thread resurrected by you, being pro-S2S, and since you were the only S2S fan at the time of the question, it would seem a good guess it was aimed at you, if not a general question for S2S supporters. You still responded to it, but you did not address the election issue but talked of referendums.

Well they are not a political party themselves, but they are a front group for an amalgamation of other political parties, but with the S2S banner. What do you think your chances of winning seats will be?

sligometalhead

The Waltzing Consumer W

ell, it was an old thread resurrected by you, being pro-S2S, and since you were the only S2S fan at the time of the question, it would seem a good guess it was aimed at you if not a general question for S2S supporters.

No it couldnt have been aimed at me as he/she said: Maybe shell to sea should run a candidate in the next election and with all the support you say they have they should have no problem getting elected. I know your down 50% of your votes with alot of the protestors being British.

That makes reference to a claim that someone must have made - not me.

You still responded to it, but you did not address the election issue but talked of referendums.

He/she didnt ask me. You did and I answered quite clearly for you

Well they are not a political party themselves, but they are a front group for an amalgamation of other political parties, but with the S2S banner.

Actually they are not. Yes, there are individual members from a wide range of political parties, but to be honest I would say that most S2S members are not members of any political party.

What do you think your chances of winning seats will be?

None - since I am not running for election.

Chances of parties and individuals who oppose Shells planned pipeline and giveaway of natural resources? I would say they will gain in the upcoming GE. SF will probably take an extra five to six seats - maybe even more if things go really well for them. The SP and PbP will probably win five or six seats between them. Then there are some independents around the country like Seamus Healy, Declan Bree, Luke Flanagan etc who could win seats also

How many seats do you think Shell or Mayo Pro-Gas will win?

sligometalhead

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the only way to run something properly is to have it as a private entity competing for service , privatization is the only way and competition is the only force that keeps a company run well and profitable

The Banks proved that alright, didnt they?:eek:

The Waltzing Consumer

sligometalhead wrote: »

Chances of parties and individuals who oppose Shells planned pipeline and giveaway of natural resources? I would say they will gain in the upcoming GE. SF will probably take an extra five to six seats - maybe even more if things go really well for them. The SP and PbP will probably win five or six seats between them. Then there are some independents around the country like Seamus Healy, Declan Bree, Luke Flanagan etc who could win seats also

How many seats do you think Shell or Mayo Pro-Gas will win?

Well, I would agree that SF and Independents will gain. The Socialist Party probably will. When it comes to PbP or SWP (same thing, ha), I would not say they will gain very much, maybe a bit, but I will be surprised if they get a seat

sligometalhead

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Well, I would agree that SF and Independents will gain. The Socialist Party probably will. When it comes to PbP or SWP (same thing, ha), I would not say they will gain very much, maybe a bit, but I will be surprised if they get a seat

PbP/SWP (i agree are same thing) will probably win at least two seats. Boyd Barrett in Dun Laoghaire and also take a seat in Dublin South Central. SP will probably win two in Dublin (Higgins/Clare Daly) and a possibility of one in Cork

The likes of Bree in Sligo, Perry in Dublin Central and Flanagan in Roscommon are also potential seat winners this time out

sligometalhead

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Well, I would agree that SF and Independents will gain. The Socialist Party probably will. When it comes to PbP or SWP (same thing, ha), I would not say they will gain very much, maybe a bit, but I will be surprised if they get a seat

Now whos dodging the question?

How many people do you think Shell or Mayo Pro-Gas will get elected?

Augmerson

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the only way to run something properly is to have it as a private entity competing for service , privatization is the only way and competition is the only force that keeps a company run well and profitable

nationalization/socialism/whatever you want to call it and putting committees in charge of things do not end well

Why should we hand over to private enterprise what cost the people, as taxpayers, millions of euro's to build? Then you just go from state monopoly to private monopoly.

capitalism/self-regulation/weak regulation doesn't exactly work either.

The Waltzing Consumer

sligometalhead wrote: »

Now whos dodging the question?

How many people do you think Shell or Mayo Pro-Gas will get elected?

I don't know who you are referring to? Is Mayo pro-gas or Shell pretty much the rest of the country?

sligometalhead

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

I don't know who you are referring to? Is Mayo pro-gas or Shell pretty much the rest of the country?

Continue avoiding the question why dont ya?

Mayo Pro-Gas are the group in Mayo who support Shell building their unsafe pipeline and giving away all the resources to Shell. They are led by a former Garda from Ballina.

So how many seats do you thin Shell will win?

What about Mayo Pro-Gas? How many seats do you think they will win?

The Waltzing Consumer

sligometalhead wrote: »

Continue avoiding the question why dont ya?

Mayo Pro-Gas are the group in Mayo who support Shell building their unsafe pipeline and giving away all the resources to Shell. They are led by a former Garda from Ballina.

So how many seats do you thin Shell will win?

What about Mayo Pro-Gas? How many seats do you think they will win?

Well I don't know these local groups. But to be fair, if you include national parties in your S2S group, obviously national parties that are in favour of Rossport and the Shell project count too. So that would be FF, FG, Lab and Greens so I would predict they win the majority of seats.

Bosco boy

sligometalhead wrote: »

Continue avoiding the question why dont ya?

Mayo Pro-Gas are the group in Mayo who support Shell building their unsafe pipeline and giving away all the resources to Shell. They are led by a former Garda from Ballina.

So how many seats do you thin Shell will win?

What about Mayo Pro-Gas? How many seats do you think they will win?

Is a former Garda not entitled to have an opinion, maybe he's not as easy intimidate as local people!

Is mise le key

Heres a list of people that have said they are opposed to the entire fiasco, (note Lab, Greens are both in there)

.The Irish Cattle and Sheep Farmers Association
.Dr. Jerry Cowley, Independent TD
.The Labour Party
.Sinn Fein
.The Green Party
.Large networks of individuals and groups from all walks of life throughout Ireland and internationally.
.The Socialist Party
.The Socialist Workers Party
.The Workers Party
.The Woodland League
.Louth County Council
.Sligo County Council
.Sligo Borough Council
.Gluaiseacht for Global Justice
.London Greens
.The Louisiana Bucket Brigade
.Robert Ballagh
.Frances Black
.Luka Bloom
.Eamon Dunphy
.Christy Moore
.Leo Moran
.(The Sawdoctors)
.Barry Murphy
.Fintan O Toole
.Des Bonass DCTU
.Noel Murphy IWU
.Jack O' Connor SIPTU
.Mick O Reilly Secretary ATGWU
.Eddie Punch ICSA
.Gerry Adams MP
.Tommy Broughan TD
.Paudge Connolly TD
.Jerry Cowley TD
.Seán Crowe TD
.Bairbre De Brún MEP
.Pat Doherty MP
.Martin Ferris TD
.Michelle Gildernew MP
.Tony Gregory TD
.Seamus Healy TD
.Michael D Higgins TD
.Joe Higgins TD
.Caroline Lucas MEP UK Greens
.Mary Lou Mc Donald MEP
.Finian Mc Grath TD
.Martin Mc Guinness MP
.Arthur Morgan TD
.Catherine Murphy TD
.Conor Murphy MP
.Senator David Norris
.Caoimhghín O Caolain TD
.Aengus O' Snodaigh TD
.Pat Rabbitte TD
.Michael Ring TD
.Trevor Sargent TD
.Jonas Sjostedt MEP Swedish Left Party
.Senator Joanna Tuffy

The Waltzing Consumer

Is mise le key wrote: »

Heres a list of people that have said they are opposed to the entire fiasco, (note Lab, Greens are both in there)

Well, the list is pretty outdated, you have Joe Higgins as a TD still

Greens are in Government and ain't doing anything so they obviously changed their mind. I have also not seen any proposals by Labour to nationalise or get rid of Shell if elected, so again, the list is either outdated or is not valid. It is also pretty embarrassing if you highlight both parties and individual members of a party to make the list look bigger

It is also pretty embarrassing having to resort to:
"Large networks of individuals and groups from all walks of life throughout Ireland and internationally" :rolleyes:

Here is a list of people who support Shell:
- Government parties
- Main opposition parties
- Rossport
- Crabs
- People who, ya know, groups of people, with hats.
- Homosexual eskimos
- S2S

Is mise le key

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Well, the list is pretty outdated, you have Joe Higgins as a TD still

Greens are in Government and ain't doing anything so they obviously changed their mind. I have also not seen any proposals by Labour to nationalise or get rid of Shell if elected, so again, the list is either outdated or is not valid. It is also pretty embarrassing if you highlight both parties and individual members of a party to make the list look bigger

It is also pretty embarrassing having to resort to:
"Large networks of individuals and groups from all walks of life throughout Ireland and internationally" :rolleyes:

Here is a list of people who support Shell:
- Government parties
- Main opposition parties
- Rossport
- Crabs
- People who, ya know, groups of people, with hats.
- Homosexual eskimos
- S2S

Ha ha, your a gas man (pardon the pun)

I am very aware of how old the list is & purposley left it that way to show how some on the list have turn coated on their own country (again)

The point of it is that at one point all of these people were opposed to this & the ones who are now not we can see in the Dail for what they are, corrupted sell outs.

The age of the list matters not, it is the message that this was then & still is wrong.

And just to clear things up here, i am not a S2S man, i am a fu.ck right off shell man, this belongs rightfully to the people on this island in order to make their quality of life better through cheaper natuaral resourses & just to think perhaps if we controlled it for the benefit of ireland it could be traded as a commodity by the state to get us out of the mess we are in now withour crippling the entire nation.

sligometalhead

Bosco boy wrote: »

Is a former Garda not entitled to have an opinion, maybe he's not as easy intimidate as local people!

Gardai are good at intimidating people alright and who sais he was not entitled to have an opinion?

sligometalhead

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Well I don't know these local groups. But to be fair, if you include national parties in your S2S group, obviously national parties that are in favour of Rossport and the Shell project count too. So that would be FF, FG, Lab and Greens so I would predict they win the majority of seats.

I am not in S2S and I did not include them as being in S2S.

As for Labour supporting the Shell project I dont believe that to be the case. I think they are sitting more on the fence?

By the way you still have not answered.

So how many seats do you think Shell will win?

What about Mayo Pro-Gas? How many seats do you think they will win?

Well I don't know these local groups.

Shell are a local group??????

Duncan31

So An Bord Pleanala have granted permission for the pipeline. Can we put this to bed now and allow the works to go ahead I wonder. Somehow, I feel the dirty tricks campaign will really get underway now.

Glorianna Gael

Think about this, Norway gets more taxation revenue from the Corrib gas field through their part ownership of Monarch oil than the we ever will.

Is mise le key

Glorianna Gael wrote: »

Think about this, Norway gets more taxation revenue from the Corrib gas field through their part ownership of Monarch oil than the we ever will.

I am glad you said that because this allows me to offer this as an alternative to Ireland not benefitting from our own gas,

Tax shell/statoil 90% oon every cubic metre of gas taken out of the gas filed once it is set up & running & then use the money to get the country back on her feet again & compensate the people most affected by this pipeline.

If you cant beat them tax them to the hilt.

Glorianna Gael

The subject of how much money a huge multi national is just going to make from OUR resources is ignored by all parties, it seems to suit them to ignore it and it beggars belief.
The Corrib field is very large, but there are rumoured to be bigger ones all down the west and south west coast, I wonder if they have already been sold?
At a time when every service area is being cut, we are giving away desperately needed money to Shell share holders and to the Norwegian Government.

Is mise le key

Glorianna Gael wrote: »

The subject of how much money a huge multi national is just going to make from OUR resources is ignored by all parties, it seems to suit them to ignore it and it beggars belief.
The Corrib field is very large, but there are rumoured to be bigger ones all down the west and south west coast, I wonder if they have already been sold?
At a time when every service area is being cut, we are giving away desperately needed money to Shell share holders and to the Norwegian Government.

Well i did have completley, fully explanatory, contrary to what my sig now says, links in my sig to the United Left Alliance

A vote for any of their candidates is for someone who wants to take back control of our natural resources.

I am awaiting direction on my sig being removed unjustly.

AckwelFoley

Is mise le key wrote: »

Tax shell/statoil 90% oon every cubic metre of gas taken out of the gas filed once it is set up & running & then use the money to get the country back on her feet again & compensate the people most affected by this pipeline.

If you cant beat them tax them to the hilt.

Naive, very naive

drdeadlift

Glorianna Gael wrote: »

The subject of how much money a huge multi national is just going to make from OUR resources is ignored by all parties, it seems to suit them to ignore it and it beggars belief.
The Corrib field is very large, but there are rumoured to be bigger ones all down the west and south west coast, I wonder if they have already been sold?
At a time when every service area is being cut, we are giving away desperately needed money to Shell share holders and to the Norwegian Government.

None of it makes sense,does anyone know who was/is responsible for surveying for oil/gas of the Irish coast?
Could the oil off our cost be used to take a bit off this loan from the eu?

Is mise le key

snyper wrote: »

Naive, very naive

Ye ye ye.

the_syco

Is mise le key wrote: »

And just to clear things up here, i am not a S2S man, i am a fu.ck right off shell man, this belongs rightfully to the people on this island in order to make their quality of life better through cheaper natuaral resourses & just to think perhaps if we controlled it for the benefit of ireland it could be traded as a commodity by the state to get us out of the mess we are in now withour crippling the entire nation.

We, the people of Ireland never have, nor I doubt ever will, have the money to buy machines, and randomly drill holes looking for oil, so there's no hope in us having ever found the oil if Shell hadn't looked.

drdeadlift wrote: »

does anyone know who was/is responsible for surveying for oil/gas of the Irish coast

ASAIK, Shell looked for it, and Shell found it.

Is mise le key

the_syco wrote: »

We, the people of Ireland never have, nor I doubt ever will, have the money to buy machines, and randomly drill holes looking for oil, so there's no hope in us having ever found the oil if Shell hadn't looked.


.

So let shell complete their work & then either offer them to pay 90% tax on it seeing as it got it for nothing or leave the country being fully reimbursed for the work they have done & some small compensation for their trouble.

Then they can buy it off us.

Mark200

the_syco wrote: »

We, the people of Ireland never have, nor I doubt ever will, have the money to buy machines, and randomly drill holes looking for oil, so there's no hope in us having ever found the oil if Shell hadn't looked.


ASAIK, Shell looked for it, and Shell found it.

Exactly. I'm embarrassed for people who cry that they're our resources. We didn't have the tools or finance to dig holes around the coast looking for these resources. We weren't even sure that they were there. And Shell wouldn't have paid the money to look for the resources if they couldn't have profited from it.

Mark200

Is mise le key wrote: »

So let shell complete their work & then either offer them to pay 90% tax on it seeing as it got it for nothing or leave the country being fully reimbursed for the work they have done & some small compensation for their trouble.

Then they can buy it off us.

Did you even read the post you replied to? They didn't get it for nothing. It is extremely costly to look for the resources.

Is mise le key

Mark200 wrote: »

Did you even read the post you replied to? They didn't get it for nothing. It is extremely costly to look for the resources.

LOL. Did you read my post?

Reimburse them for the cost of finding & working on it & some compensation for their trouble or agree to be taxed at 90%.

Shell wont lose a penny that way & will still be in a profitable situation and so will we.

Whats wrong with that?

Glorianna Gael

Sadly we cannot afford embarrassment, what we can do is give permits for exploration, then ensure the terms for exploiting OUR resources are favourable to the IRISH people not shareholders in the company or a foreign country.

Mark200

Is mise le key wrote: »

LOL. Did you read my post?

Reimburse them for the cost of finding & working on it & some compensation for their trouble or agree to be taxed at 90%.

Shell wont lose a penny that way & will still be in a profitable situation and so will we.

Whats wrong with that?

It's stealing, simple as. You don't go into a shop, take whatever you want and give the shop keeper the cost price.

What about the other resources that may be off our coast? You can rest assured that no oil companies will help is look for them if your attitude is prevalent in our Government.

Mark200

Glorianna Gael wrote: »

Sadly we cannot afford embarrassment, what we can do is give permits for exploration, then ensure the terms for exploiting OUR resources are favourable to the IRISH people not shareholders in the company or a foreign country.

If they're not preferable to the company then there'd be no reason for the company to accept them.

Is mise le key

Mark200 wrote: »

It's stealing, simple as. You don't go into a shop, take whatever you want and give the shop keeper the cost price.

What about the other resources that may be off our coast? You can rest assured that no oil companies will help is look for them if your attitude is prevalent in our Government.

So imposing high taxes is stealing, come on now really.

Also it it highly illogical to suggest that if there was say an oil field off our coast worth €100B that a company that would stand to make €10B after all expenses were cleared would say no to it. come on now really.