Soccer forum. Re: Economist thread.

Bounty Hunter · 03-06-2009 2:12am

Helix wrote: »

if we want to get technical here, it wasnt officially affiliated. someone put the name in the title of the top division completely without permission. the league im in didnt have boards.ie in the league name. therefore is it an affiliated site?

this i think is the important thing, this really has nothing to do with boards.ie except that the two people happen to post here too and ones a mod.

if a new rule needs to be made about affiliated sites including what constitutes an affiliated site go ahead lads, but there seems to be no reason for Boards.ie as it is to be handing out bannings over this as things stand now.

Nevyn · 03-06-2009 2:13am

Jazzy wrote: »

and maybe the other kid shouldnt have been such a douche in school in the first place?
it all comes down to ppls ability to not take their licks (on both sides)

No mod should have to put up with abuse, end of.
We all contribute to this site in our own way and some people take on the extra added responsibly of the mod chores to help the place run better and that should not equate to a large target on a person.

I know people get passionate about things but the level of abuse which some of the mods have had to put up with when doing their bit to keep certain sections of this site open and running is frankly appalling and should not be tolerated.

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

My school suspended someone for dying his hair bright red. Some students also got detention for smoking. I don't really think comparing boards to a school is a valid comparison.

Like a school this site set it's code of conduct and if you break it tough.
We ban people for a range of things here.

ShooterSF · 03-06-2009 2:14am

Putting aside the issue for a sec, Poor Dev has a lot of reading to do in the morning :pac:

mayordenis · 03-06-2009 2:14am

Oh also another slightly off point - why if the admin team are discussing this currently was the decision made to permaban immediately?
surely the old adage would be that one is innocent until proven guilty?

AlmightyCushion · 03-06-2009 2:15am

Thaedydal wrote: »

Like a school this site set it's code of conduct and if you break it tough.
We ban people for a range of things here.

Where in the boards code of conduct does is say that breaking the rules of this site/forum on another site will get you a ban?

Kirnsy · 03-06-2009 2:16am

Thaedydal wrote: »

No mod should have to put up with abuse, end of.
We all contribute to this site in our own way and some people take on the extra added responsibly of the mod chores to help the place run better and that should not equate to a large target on a person.

I know people get passionate about things but the level of abuse which some of the mods have had to put up with when doing their bit to keep certain sections of this site open and running is frankly appalling and should not be tolerated.

Like a school this site set it's code of conduct and if you break it tough.
We ban people for a range of things here.

without being smart ass or anything but if they get abuse they can (and do ban people).

if they cant handle dealing with that then they shouldn't be mods.

Nevyn · 03-06-2009 2:16am

mayordenis wrote: »

Oh also another slightly off point - why if the admin team are discussing this currently was the decision made to permaban immediately?
surely the old adage would be that one is innocent until proven guilty?

Private site their rules, they do not need to apply that, same way employers will suspend people pending an investigation/hearing.

lordgoat · 03-06-2009 2:17am

orestes wrote: »

I can't be held accountable for your feelings.

So should he run off make an issue out of it as he's feeling upset by your posts?

Also you comments on the soccer forum are a disgrace and as stated a massive insult to all the posters there. imo. There's an ironic comparison between them and this whole fiasco.

That_Guy · 03-06-2009 2:18am

mayordenis wrote: »

Oh also another slightly off point - why if the admin team are discussing this currently was the decision made to permaban immediately?
surely the old adage would be that one is innocent until proven guilty?

That rule is not affiliated with boards.ie it would seem.

hullaballoo · 03-06-2009 2:18am

eagle eye wrote: »

But how can you be sure that he was attacking a member of this site?

There is a GuanYin on xperteleven.

Shockingly enough, that's the same GuanYin as the Soccer Mod here.

Nowhere in the post that was made on that forum is there anything saying that this person is a soccer forum moderator. Nowhere does it say that this is about a person on boards.ie soccer forum. The post is regarding the Congress Blitz Manager whose mane is GuanYin.

Are you sure?

How do you know for certain that this H3lix is the same Helix who is a member of boards.ie? Or how did you know?

Frankly, that's ridiculous, and I don't think that's ever been an issue. All posters have openly admitted to being who they seem to be on xperteleven.

@mayordenis & Helix, the boards.ie brand was used. Do we want to associate ourselves with this sort of bullying and abuse? Nope.

Nevyn · 03-06-2009 2:18am

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Where in the boards code of conduct does is say that breaking the rules of this site/forum on another site will get you a ban?

It gets amended as matters arise, once the dust settles on this and there is a clear cut ruling I am sure it will be in the rulz.

mayordenis · 03-06-2009 2:18am

Thaedydal wrote: »

Private site their rules, they do not need to apply that, same way employers will suspend people pending an investigation/hearing.

That's fair was just a question don't throw this Private Site nonsense at me though, I understand the admins make the rules and are under no obligation to us to change them however they are under an some obligation to themselves and boards as a whole to not throw around stupid rules and to treat people like dirt.

eagle eye · 03-06-2009 2:19am

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Oh come on. It's clear he's on about the GuanYin here, the conversation GY linked to above shows that pretty clearly.

If I showed you a post from a GuanYin abusing me on another site, would you ban the GuanYin on this site?

redout · 03-06-2009 2:19am

I think this is a bit nuts and going a bit to far. I shall give an example. I am a member of boards and also frequent another football forum were it just so happens a soccer forum mod from boards is an admin. Now if I were to call said person a bollox or whatever on this other forum and write abuse to said person then surely that could not be used against myself here on boards and get myself a ban on this forum. The whole associating thing with boards is bollox imo as none of you'se seemed to care about it before any of this happened even though some of you had to be aware of it.

orestes · 03-06-2009 2:20am

That_Guy wrote: »

I mean I dislike orestes.

So do plenty of other people, thankfully I don't care about your opinion of me or theirs

Kirnsy wrote: »

That's both insulting to anyone who seriously posts there including mods such as Xavi6 LL etc and an opinion from someone who doesn't even contribute much.
Personally im not a massive poster but read plenty of soccer threads (Arsenal thread being the first always;) ) so i certainly feel there's no reason to shut it down.
I don't post in the Paranormal forum and personally don't believe in it however it doesn't affect me in the slightest whether its running or not.

I already explained in this thread that I didn't mean that to offend the soccer mods, I have the utost respect for all of them.

And it's true that I don't contribute much to the soccer forum, I don't contribute anything at all, I don't even have access and there is not a force of man/nature/gods that could compell me to request it at this stage.

AlmightyCushion · 03-06-2009 2:20am

Thaedydal wrote: »

It gets amended as matters arise, once the dust settles on this and there is a clear cut ruling I am sure it will be in the rulz.

I hope not as it's a bad road to go down.

AlmightyCushion · 03-06-2009 2:21am

eagle eye wrote: »

If I showed you a post from a GuanYin abusing me on another site, would you ban the GuanYin on this site?

Hell no. I'm completely against this banning. I'm just saying that it's obvious that it is the GuanYin here they were talking about.

mayordenis · 03-06-2009 2:22am

hullaballoo wrote: »

@mayordenis & Helix, the boards.ie brand was used. Do we want to associate ourselves with this sort of bullying and abuse? Nope.

For sure, here are you options

- Start vetting anyone who wants to use the Boards.ie name for community events.

- Warn people that off-forum squabbles are not the responsibility of the Boards.ie

- Stop allowing people to use the Boards.ie name because if you are worried that the name could be dragged into disripute then it could be much much more serious next time - Boards.ie Child Porn Site?

Set a rule - don't move the goal posts.

eagle eye · 03-06-2009 2:23am

hullaballoo wrote: »

Shockingly enough, that's the same GuanYin as the Soccer Mod here.

Are you sure?

Frankly, that's ridiculous, and I don't think that's ever been an issue. All posters have openly admitted to being who they seem to be on xperteleven.

@mayordenis & Helix, the boards.ie brand was used. Do we want to associate ourselves with this sort of bullying and abuse? Nope.

Oh wait, so now its the electricpicnice posts that are the problem?
I thought it was the xperteleven post that was the problem?

In the xperteleven post there is no mention of a soccer forum moderator or the soccer forum.

Bounty Hunter · 03-06-2009 2:23am

ive posted in many threads with Orestes and have to say hes a good guy but Orestes and anyone else including Thaedydal and her schoolyard metaphor (i teach primary btw

) making generlisations about all of the soccer forum as if they are all the same and should be treated like whatever is just plain silly especially coming from mods.

ShooterSF · 03-06-2009 2:23am

Thaedydal wrote: »

No mod should have to put up with abuse, end of.
We all contribute to this site in our own way and some people take on the extra added responsibly of the mod chores to help the place run better and that should not equate to a large target on a person.

I know people get passionate about things but the level of abuse which some of the mods have had to put up with when doing their bit to keep certain sections of this site open and running is frankly appalling and should not be tolerated.

The thing is though, it comes with the territory. That doesn't make it right but people know this before they take the role. Hell if a mod stepped down right now there will be people, well aware of this fact climbing over each other to replace them.
At the end of the day a mods job is to help make and keep boards a generally good place to go for the users. If this issue had been dealt with where it happened 99.9% of the users on this site would have been blissfully unaware and it would in no way diminish their opinion of the site.

invincibleirish · 03-06-2009 2:23am

orestes wrote: »

And it's true that I don't contribute much to the soccer forum, I don't contribute anything at all, I don't even have access and there is not a force of man/nature/gods that could compell me to request it at this stage.

Then why are you in this thread? you complain about how tough the soccer forum is, how awful the posters are and make lame wisecracks about bebo, whats the point?

Jazzy · 03-06-2009 2:24am

Thaedydal wrote: »

No mod should have to put up with abuse, end of.
We all contribute to this site in our own way and some people take on the extra added responsibly of the mod chores to help the place run better and that should not equate to a large target on a person.

I know people get passionate about things but the level of abuse which some of the mods have had to put up with when doing their bit to keep certain sections of this site open and running is frankly appalling and should not be tolerated.

doesnt give her the right to get snotty on another site, then come back to this one and flex her muscles a bit and expect nothing to come of it.. either on this site or the other.
mods arent above reproach as regards abuse. where did u get that idea? sure it states it in the rules of fora here but those are just rules. they have better protection and harsher penalties (for obvious reasons) but u can still abuse a mod. ive abused two mods today on a completely different internet application and nothing is going to happen me.. and its an application which is attached / has the boards name attached, but im not going to get banned

orestes · 03-06-2009 2:24am

lordgoat wrote: »

So should he run off make an issue out of it as he's feeling upset by your posts?

Also you comments on the soccer forum are a disgrace and as stated a massive insult to all the posters there. imo. There's an ironic comparison between them and this whole fiasco.

If you or anyone else has an issue with any post I make on this site feel free to report them.

Sully · 03-06-2009 2:24am

This isn't as clear cut as people would like to make out. It seems clear to me that GY was annoyed/upset/hurt by the comments about her (I think that's fair) and wanted to get something done about it. She cant ban them herself but reported it to the Admins clearly looking for support and looking for something to get done. I cant see any other reason why she would bring it to their attention. I have mixed feelings about that.

That brings us to the question; Should any mod who volunteers their time on Boards be expected to sit back and take abuse from people who are on a different website but are Boards.ie members and post in forums modded by the user they commented on elsewhere?

Part of me wants to say, No. GY or anyone else, regardless of how good/bad/fair they are, should not be expected to take that kind of abuse. BUT. In reality, we cant really take revenge by banning them (for any length of time) from the website for comments made elsewhere. The posters have their issues, don't have the balls to take it up themselves with the mod and so post it elsewhere. I'm sure if these people have met up they had similar discussions in the pub or whatever. Regardless of where the comments were made, once there not on Boards.ie then its out of the Admins/Founders hands.

From reading this thread, it seems clear that a large majority of people do not like the idea of a possible ban from a Boards forum for abusing another user/mod off-site. I think overall, I agree with them. I can see why the admins made the decision but I don't think it was a good decision and sets a new precedent which is very unfair.

Mods are not allowed ban users from their forum for a comment a user made elsewhere on Boards - why should it be allowed if the post is off-site? It really shouldn't. I also got the impression an attempt was being made to brush this under the carpet, but I think if it was done here a big outcry would be heard.

If there is more to this then meets the eye, I for one would like to know. Publicly. I cant see how it will make the difference of course, as the issue still stands unless it was taken onto Boards.ie.

That_Guy · 03-06-2009 2:24am

What would the outcome be like if it wasn't a mod involved. What if Helix had said stuff about me on this other site and I reported it here to a mod requesting a ban for him.

You'd have told me to piss off saying that this site is not affiliated with boards.

javaboy · 03-06-2009 2:25am

Thaedydal wrote: »

Funny cos schools will suspend/expel/ban kids for that as it is seen as bullying another pupil even with it being not on school property.
Soccer posters needing to be treated like school kids shocker.

Does that not also imply that the soccer mods need to be treated like school kids?

eagle eye wrote: »

In the xperteleven post there is no mention of a soccer forum moderator or the soccer forum.

Ah come on seriously. You're only going to lose support by coming up with specious reasoning like that. We all know who is being talked about.

orestes · 03-06-2009 2:27am

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

ive posted in many threads with Orestes and have to say hes a good guy

Nice one, balances out with that other guy not liking me, cheers BH

invincibleirish wrote: »

Then why are you in this thread? you complain about how tough the soccer forum is, how awful the posters are and make lame wisecracks about bebo, whats the point?

Because I think that the abuse towards a user of this site who volunteers their time to it and the way in which the abuse was done was a complete disgrace and certain users of the soccer forum constantly giving out about GuanYin sickens me

smashey · 03-06-2009 2:28am

mayordenis wrote: »

Oh also another slightly off point - why if the admin team are discussing this currently was the decision made to permaban immediately?
surely the old adage would be that one is innocent until proven guilty?

We have discussed this issue at length and it was quite heated. In the end, the decision could probably be best summed up as follows...

We will intervene when someone who is openly associated with these forums, using a nickname from these forums, in a game that affiliates with these forums, starts an attack on one of our moderators. The abuse came from an external group, and we have no problems in acknowledging that it is an external group but, this group was using the boards name to garner members and we will do our utmost to protect the boards.ie name and our moderators/users.

The above isn't about setting precedent, it's about us doing what we unanimously agreed to be the right thing in this particular instance.

That_Guy · 03-06-2009 2:29am

orestes wrote: »

Nice one, balances out with that other guy not liking me, cheers BH

Ah it's only because you made fun of my bebo.

Soccer forum. Re: Economist thread.

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