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Politics forum has convinced me who to vote for...

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    #32
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Tarzan007 wrote: »
    any doubts I had about the SF have been changed thanks to the ranting and downright disrespect shown to the country by some who post here.


    :pac: You mean the same people who for decades refused to acknowledge this country at all, claimed to be the 'real' government and army, and stated that all Gardaí and members of the Defence Forces were legitimate targets, who have repeatedly rejected the democratic will of the people of this island?

    What is that if not disrespect. What a crock.


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    #33
    Tarzan007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭Tarzan007


    solice wrote: »
    Would you have ever voted for a centralist or right wing party?

    And to be honest, your initial post indicated that you normally vote for socialist/leftist candidates. I would put it to you that you would have no intention of ever voting for anyone other than Sinn Fein as the main left wing party. Your opinion was not unduly influenced through negative hysteria against the party and the whole purpose of this thread was to promote the SF message.
    You are right my post indicated that I normally vote for socialist/leftist candidates, which I will probably continue to do. I will give Joe Higgins no.2 and then leftist independents. The only reason I am not more big on Joe Higgins and the socialists, is well, at the moment anyway, the party IS Joe Higgins.

    And you are also right, my opinion was influenced through negative hysteria against the party and this forum certainly helped convince me !!!. Ok, it's not been the main factor by any means, but I mean look at the thread - Commemorate 1798 with a 'United Irishmen' Day petition. The same have dozen or so come on with the same old Kevin Meyers/Eoghan Harrisisms and pulled a moderate nationalist thread into the mire accusing Tone, 1916 etc as been something like Al-Qaeda. Some of the leaders of FG ( Garret Fitzgerald, John Unionist Bruton :rolleyes: ) would indeed concur with these postings to a certain extent, Labour party, De Rossa and the former stickes would also be similiar. As for FF the Republican Party - no comment. Listen to the Shinners, no bad mouthing or apologies for our heritage there.

    The more I see the establishment parties steering over their shoulder at them and condemning them, the more I ask, are these the boys to give this country the kick up the arse it needs !!!


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    #34
    solice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭solice


    Tarzan007 wrote: »
    And you are also right, my opinion was influenced through negative hysteria against the party and this forum certainly helped convince me !!!

    That would actually make me wrong....but I dont believe you. I dont believe that somebody that normally votes for left wing socialist parties could possibly have their opinion altered by the ramblings of people on this board and make them want to vote for a left wing socialist party.


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    #35
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Tarzan007 wrote: »
    Listen to the Shinners, no bad mouthing or apologies for our heritage there.

    "Our" heritage? Our heritage is not killing and burying teenagers, blowing up boys in London, kidnapping and executing a mother of a large family because she had the temerity to give a dying man a drink and to call an ambulance. SF make my skin crawl everytime they claim to represent Irish nationalism. They are a disgrace to those who have gone before them.


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    #36
    Tarzan007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭Tarzan007


    solice wrote: »
    That would actually make me wrong....but I dont believe you. I dont believe that somebody that normally votes for left wing socialist parties could possibly have their opinion altered by the ramblings of people on this board and make them want to vote for a left wing socialist party.
    Well as I said regarding the ramblings of people forum, " it's not been the main factor by any means, " and went onto to explain how this disrespect for the country at all costs has been the result of some of the leading politicians and journalists ( if that's what they could be called) that I named and their negativity towards all things nationalist. If you don't believe me, well so be it.


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    #37
    Tarzan007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭Tarzan007


    prinz wrote: »
    :pac: You mean the same people who for decades refused to acknowledge this country at all, claimed to be the 'real' government and army, and stated that all Gardaí and members of the Defence Forces were legitimate targets, who have repeatedly rejected the democratic will of the people of this island?

    What is that if not disrespect. What a crock.
    One page later and already Sceptre's Law is again coming into play :rolleyes:
    "As a boards.ie politics discussion grows longer, the probability of a thread turning into a discussion about Sinn Fein and/or the IRA approaches one."

    Corollary 1: The discussion will degenerate into repetition within twenty posts.
    prinz wrote: »
    "Our" heritage? Our heritage is not killing and burying teenagers, blowing up boys in London, kidnapping and executing a mother of a large family because she had the temerity to give a dying man a drink and to call an ambulance. SF make my skin crawl everytime they claim to represent Irish nationalism. They are a disgrace to those who have gone before them.

    Corollary 2: Most of the sane people won't bother even reading the thread after that. ( Well hopefully we can have a decent discussion without the ranting of prinz :rolleyes: )


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    #38
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Tarzan007 wrote: »
    And maybe he could include the usual chorus who start ranting " Gerry McCabe, Gerry McCabe, Gerry McCabe :pac: Gerry McCabe, Gerry McCabe, Gerry McCabe :pac:" whom I'm sure you know very well.

    Gerry McCabe's fate is a FACT.

    Name calling like "west brit" is a biased lie and a diversionary tactic to avoid admitting that the target might have a valid point; easier to try to cast derogatory aspersions.

    Questioning someone's patriotism because they have an alternative view is pathetic, undemocratic and smacks of "the Borg" style thought-control.

    Any other comments ? Just make the next one comparable and relevant. :rolleyes:

    BTW, nice to know you're so respectful of Irish people who died doing their duty of protecting this country from thugs; if I was pathetic enough to repeatedly abuse Bobby Sands' name, typing it multiple times with smilies, to make a cheap, snide comment, would you be as glib ? I wouldn't do it, btw, I'm just asking in an effort to point out that this was a real person and that your disrespect is sickening.


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    #39
    Tarzan007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭Tarzan007


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Gerry McCabe's fate is a FACT.

    Name calling like "west brit" is a biased lie and a diversionary tactic to avoid admitting that the target might have a valid point; easier to try to cast derogatory aspersions.

    Questioning someone's patriotism because they have an alternative view is pathetic, undemocratic and smacks of "the Borg" style thought-control.

    Any other comments ? Just make the next one comparable and relevant. :rolleyes:

    BTW, nice to know you're so respectful of Irish people who died doing their duty of protecting this country from thugs; if I was pathetic enough to repeatedly abuse Bobby Sands' name, typing it multiple times with smilies, to make a cheap, snide comment, would you be as glib ? I wouldn't do it, btw, I'm just asking in an effort to point out that this was a real person and that your disrespect is sickening.
    I think some people will now understand why I will vote for SF.:)


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    #40
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Tarzan007 wrote: »
    I think some people will now understand why I will vote for SF.:)

    That post makes no sense, which puts it right up there with your previous one. :rolleyes:

    Always MUCH better to come back with a cryptic and irrelevant remark than debate the issue...... :rolleyes:


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    #41
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    ejmaztec wrote: »
    Even the Israeli terrorists of 1940s Palestine became statesmen, after they got what they wanted.


    Same could be said of the ANC, and maybe sometime in the future the terrorists of the PLO & The Basque's.

    Guys, our state was born out of terrorism & constantly harping back to SF's past and the war in N.I. (and even some of their dastly deeds here in the south) smacks of desparation.

    The party has moved on, lets all move on with it. This country is never going back to the armalite, but to keep SF down on its knee's I think it would suit some here to see a return to it.

    OP, no this forum hasn't influenced my vote (I've a postal vote so I've cast mine already) but it has shown me some desparation by the main party supporters & while the SF supporters kept cool heads and didn't rack up sh*t it seem's the other's were tripping over themselves to reminds us all of our recent past.

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    #42
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Lyla Little Luggage wrote: »
    The party has moved on

    There is nothing to indicate this.


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    #43
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    prinz wrote: »
    "Our" heritage? (.....) them.

    Actually it is, if you look through Irish history. Stabbings, killings and the mutilation of animals. And we're saints compared to some head-the-balls.

    You ever go on about this with regards ex-democratic left people in the Labour party?


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    #44
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    There is nothing to indicate this.

    They've an ex-Ruc protestant lay preacher as a councillor. The shooting is long over. Theres only so many times this can be pointed before one suspects the problem lies in the eye of the beholder.


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    #45
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    There is nothing to indicate this.


    Obviously you missed the rest of the paragraph or you deliberatly quoted me out of context!....

    Lyla Little Luggage wrote: »
    The party has moved on, lets all move on with it. This country is never going back to the armalite, but to keep SF down on its knee's I think it would suit some here to see a return to it.


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    #46
    Taxipete29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭Taxipete29


    To say this country is never going back to the armalite is naive considering recent events. Sinn Fein may be done with it but others are not


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    #47
    solice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭solice


    Tarzan007 wrote: »
    Well as I said regarding the ramblings of people forum, " it's not been the main factor by any means, " and went onto to explain how this disrespect for the country at all costs has been the result of some of the leading politicians and journalists ( if that's what they could be called) that I named and their negativity towards all things nationalist. If you don't believe me, well so be it.

    By your own admission in that Boards was not the
    Tarzan007 wrote: »
    main factor by any means
    do you not think that you should re-name the thread to "I wasnt really convinced by the politics forum to vote for....(but I thought I would say it anyway just to get a reaction and another pro SF/ Anti SF argument going)"


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