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Irish referendum on right to citizenship
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KINGVictor wrote: »Sir...can you stop all your ranting...you allowed the yanks to stop over at Shannon...knowing fully well their intentions and motives ...we are just as culpable.
Your last statement is very laughable considering that the Irish government are literarily begging the American government to give asylum to thousands of Illegal Irish .There was absolutely nothing sanctimonious about the qouted poster.
We allow them to refuel in Shannon airport, yes, but we are not the ones blitzing the place. The yanks are. To compare the two is absurd. Especially coming from a yank.
You do realise the difference between an asylum seeker and an illegal immigrant, dont you? Why would the Irish government be calling for its own citizens to be given asylum.
Irish illegals should be deported, as should 97% of failed Nigerian asylum seekers who still reside in this state.
Let us prove our dedication to the asylum process by removing ourselves from all current conventions and conducting an emergency intervention programme in actual warzones. Let us fly planes to Darfur, to the Ivory Coast, to Uganda, and to the other places at actual war (unlike Nigeria or Romania) and give a new life in Ireland to people who actually deserve it.
In most of the places on the planet where people have the greatest need of asylum, Irish charity workers are already on the ground. We should consult these NGO workers to establish who ought to be given the chance of a new life in Ireland and use them to establish screening processes to keep out criminals.
*The 97% comes from Department of Justice figures for numbers of asylum seekers whose cases were refused.*
**Furthermore, the only Irish I have ever heard of seeking asylum in the USA are a tiny handful of former Republicans and Loyalists**0 -
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We allow them to refuel in Shannon airport, yes, but we are not the ones blitzing the place. The yanks are. To compare the two is absurd. Especially coming from a yank.
We allowed them to refuel and transport suspected terrorists..so we were adequately aware of this facts...unless we are a naive nation..which I doubt we are...the "yanks",british and other allied forces are responsible for the "blitzing"..but we are equally responsible for the logistical pathway while been fully aware of the intents...its just like providing the bomb to the suicide bomber( knowing what his intentions were ) and later accuse him of being a terrorist.
You do realise the difference between an asylum seeker and an illegal immigrant, dont you? Why would the Irish government be calling for its own citizens to be given asylum.
So what are they desperately as a matter of policy asking the US government to do.Give the "undocumented Irish" their God given right!!!
These people went to the US and intentionally overstayed their visas...decided to work and live illegally and now lobbying the US government to stay in the US because they have ostensibly built a life for themselves and their families so they cant return to Ireland...call it illegal,undocumented,asylum...whatever...they are just as guilty of the people you are complaining so much about.
Irish illegals should be deported, as should 97% of failed Nigerian asylum seekers who still reside in this state.
The government,and a lot of Irish people would disagree with you about the "former".Yes I agree that all failed asylum seekers irrespective of their country of origin( I am sure that some are not Nigerians) should be deported as long as they have exhausted all legally binding routes and I am also of the opinion that the Asylum system should be overhauled to make way for a fairer,comprehensive and concise one.
Let us prove our dedication to the asylum process by removing ourselves from all current conventions and conducting an emergency intervention programme in actual warzones. Let us fly planes to Darfur, to the Ivory Coast, to Uganda, and to the other places at actual war (unlike Nigeria or Romania) and give a new life in Ireland to people who actually deserve it.
Thats a splendid but also complex idea...how would you put such policy in place.How would you be able to decipher who truly deserves it or not...by looking at them or their country of origin? That would be very myopic and stupid...because everyone is an individual with different experiences in life.
In most of the places on the planet where people have the greatest need of asylum, Irish charity workers are already on the ground. We should consult these NGO workers to establish who ought to be given the chance of a new life in Ireland and use them to establish screening processes to keep out criminals.
And lets pray they have not been raped yet..lol.......an Irish NGO operating in Louisana during the hurricane would tell you of the sufferings of many families...would you take them in because of that...or they would be able to tell who is a criminal because it is very visible on their foreheads.Sudan is a very big country and you cannot possbly envisage that every national of that country needs asylum...some are medical doctors,engineers who would earn a relatively decent living and because South Africa or Nigeria that are richer wont have people who would genuinely have a need to seek asylum...bandwagon fallacy.
*The 97% comes from Department of Justice figures for numbers of asylum seekers whose cases were refused.*
Give us a link to that information
**Furthermore, the only Irish I have ever heard of seeking asylum in the USA are a tiny handful of former Republicans and Loyalists**
Thats what you have heard...the Irish that are shown on Rte begging the US govt to give them legal papers to stay do not strike me as loyalists or republicans...just ordinary people that made wrong choices and praying for respite.I dont think Bertie Ahern,Brain Cowen,Micheal Martin and the President Mary would be actively lobbying if it was just the aforementioned people.0 -
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Here are the figures I was referring to previously:sideshowsue wrote: »278. Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform the number of pending naturalisation applications that were filed in 2006; the number that were filed in 2005; and the number that were filed in previous years. [18802/09]
Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Deputy Dermot Ahern): The following is a breakdown of the number of applications for certificates of naturalisation received from 2002 - 2006 and the number pending a decision.
Year....No. of applications received....No. of applications pending
2001...................1,431..................................0
2002...................3,574..................................2
2003...................3,580................................26
2004...................4,074................................87
2005...................4,527...............................470
2006...................7,030............................3,019
The checks that are run as as follows:
The checks that the DoJ undertake include the following:- Checks regarding length and periods of residency. These details are sent in as evidence by the applicant in their Passports. The DoJ also have computer records of all Visas granted and periods of stays
- Financial checks. Applicant has to send in EOY Financial Records (P60, P45, P21 etc.) for each year. This information is also available from the Dept of Social Welfare. If you request this information individually it takes less than a week to have it supplied to you. No idea how long this is taking the DoJ.
- Character (Security) Checks: This involves checking with the Garda Siochana that the person has not been involved in any crime during their period of residency. This takes 1-2 weeks if one applies individually, but it is taking the DoJ 3-8 months
It can only be totally gross incompetence or deliberate delays that cause the process to drag on for over 3 years, and that's over and above the 5 years you need to be here already.
http://www.immigrantcouncil.ie/press_detail.php?id=91#
That shows processing times in other countries, where they obviously know what they are doing...
That was my argument with relation to the time it takes, nothing else.0 -
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Originally Posted by cabinteelytom
But 'worry' about an Irish child being raised in a foreign culture seems a bit unenlightened. My logic: If the mother of an Irish-born child does not have four years residence in her own right, the child must be aged three or less. Children of this age are adaptable and take changes of domicile and vernacular language in their stride. There could also be benefits to the child of increased maternal self-confidence,( being at home in her own culture), and from having the support of mother's extended family. Worry should not be universal in these circumstances.
Your fantastic. easy known it's not your child. A child born in Ireland is culturally linked to Ireland. (Being at home in her own culture) How would the child even know another culture. What about her extended family here. Grandparents aunts Uncles and cousins. Perhaps you wouldn't worry, but I think no parent would disregard the child's rights just like you have just done. What about if this country is a basket case, destroyed in poverty. Still you just send an Irish citizen packing back to the slums of god knows where.
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