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European Elections Poll

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    #62
    Jugs82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Jugs82


    Went for:

    1. O'Luain
    2. O'Keefe
    3. Harkin

    and continued FG, IND etc.. until i ticked everybody except SF & Libertas


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    #63
    SalthillGuy
    Registered Users Posts: 329 ✭✭SalthillGuy


    Looks like it is very black or white with Ganley.
    He will not get many transfers.
    I cannot see him making on first preferences.


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    #64
    PopeBuckfastXVI
    Registered Users Posts: 5,155 ✭✭✭PopeBuckfastXVI


    Changed my mind in the end... you can make that -1 for Harkin and +1 for O'Keefe...


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    #65
    cornbb
    Registered Users Posts: 6,790 ✭✭✭cornbb


    Based on what I'm reading on boards and politics.ie (neither of which will be very accurate, I know) it looks like Susan O'Keeffe might do better than everyone expected.


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    #66
    cooperguy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,650 ✭✭✭cooperguy


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Oh ok, i had a very blonde moment there :D

    Yeah i'm voting for those who advocate a No to Lisbon, so Ganley, MacLochlainn and then some independents from me
    Your right so, definatly a blonde moment :D


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    #67
    crystal castle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 42 ✭crystal castle


    Libertas will come and go like the mushroom it was. End of. Ganley has raised many questions. Big deal. People only add more to his aura by continually attempting to undermine him. What people tend to forget is that Lisbon was a bad deal for Ireland. We'd have been the last outpost of the EU. It didn't take Declan Ganley for us to realise that. I was going to vote no to lisbon long before i ever heard of libertas or declan ganley because I believed that it posed questions to our soverignty, those questions will be answered in the form of the declarations given to ireland and also the issue of tthe commissioner. And I for one will be happy to vote yes when I feel we are being protected.

    But people who attack Ganley have to stop blaming him for showing up the government and organising a NO vote. It was a raw deal. Many people who saw that would have voted No anyways without swallowing the tripe the respective parties were feeding us because "thats who we've voted for since the foundation of the state." On the flip side Ganley and Sinn Fein should stop taking credit for the Irish people who voted no soley for the above.

    Re: Europe -

    I voted for all except SF and FF.

    I didn't vote for Ganley either and I didn't feel the world to be any safer of a place after my ballot was cast. Funny.


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    #68
    ionix5891
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭ionix5891


    crystal castle wrote: »
    What people tend to forget is that Lisbon was a bad deal for Ireland..
    crystal castle wrote: »
    I was going to vote no to lisbon long before i ever heard of libertas or declan ganley because I believed that it posed questions to our soverignty, those questions will be answered in the form of the declarations given to ireland and also the issue of tthe commissioner. .

    how so?

    both of your concerns are based on misconceptions and have been discussed to death on the European politics sub forum and debunked as false

    next :cool:


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    #69
    GerardKeating
    Registered Users Posts: 7,660 ✭✭✭GerardKeating


    cornbb wrote: »
    Based on what I'm reading on boards and politics.ie (neither of which will be very accurate, I know) it looks like Susan O'Keeffe might do better than everyone expected.

    She only raised the Labour vote by less the 2%, well down on the national swing to them. She was well short of a quota in the end, lowest vote of all the "partied" candidates, only a third of the libertas vote


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    #70
    crystal castle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 42 ✭crystal castle


    ionix5891 wrote: »
    how so?

    both of your concerns are based on misconceptions and have been discussed to death on the European politics sub forum and debunked as false

    next :cool:

    Well in my opinion, which is my vote and not the general concenus of you and your debunking, I felt Ireland would be left in a poor position by Lisbon. Along with the majority of the voting public may I add, which clearly rejected the treaty. Sadly for you, stupid people vote while people like you and your euro friends know what is really best for us except the idiot majority won't follow. As Churchhill said "democracy is the worst form of government until you try another one."

    Debunk that my friend.

    NEXT....


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    #71
    cooperguy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,650 ✭✭✭cooperguy


    crystal castle wrote: »
    Well in my opinion, which is my vote and not the general concenus of you and your debunking, I felt Ireland would be left in a poor position by Lisbon. Along with the majority of the voting public may I add, which clearly rejected the treaty. Sadly for you, stupid people vote while people like you and your euro friends know what is really best for us except the idiot majority won't follow. As Churchhill said "democracy is the worst form of government until you try another one."

    Debunk that my friend.

    NEXT....
    Could you try saying why you think that so that somebody would have something to debunk!!


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    #72
    ionix5891
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭ionix5891


    cooperguy wrote: »
    Could you try saying why you think that so that somebody would have something to debunk!!

    they should rename the european politics forum to "mythbusters" :p mainly due to the amount of lies spun by these people


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    #73
    crystal castle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 42 ✭crystal castle


    cooperguy wrote: »
    Could you try saying why you think that so that somebody would have something to debunk!!

    I didn't mean it literally. Why do a lot of people interested in politics seems to have mild Asperger's syndrome.
    ionix5891 wrote: »
    they should rename the european politics forum to "mythbusters" mainly due to the amount of lies spun by these people


    As to why someone would use a political forum as the basis of their denial of someone's opinion, and should be regarded as the center of power of Lisbon II is beyond me. Since you are doing such POWERFUL work over there, why not turn you're attention to a cure for Cancer? Examaine the way forward for CERN? Maybe solve the financial crisis? (I'd say you've already had a go at that one)

    Lies? Spun? These People?

    What lies? How can one's personal opinion be a lie? Explain that.

    Spun? What am I spinning? I thought spinning involved influencing and distorting facts to suit your own ends? What are my ends? I didn't believe in D Ganley, I can't tolerate Sinn Fein? Where's the spin? Again, a personal opinion.

    These people? Again, I don't belong to a particular group or have any ties to any organisation except, I like the majority of the electorate(54.3% stupid people) rejected lisbon and am prepared to explain why I did so?


    When you want me to attempt to sum you up in one sentence, just say the word and i bet i'll be a hell of a lot more accurate than you're assumption of me.


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