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Another lie of libertas
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04-06-2009 3:32am#1Libertas has no program, that's why they can tell different things and different plans in many different countries.
In Ireland for example they claim themselves as pro-Europeans, in Poland they recruit ultra nationalists and anti-Semites that are against euro currency at all. Same story in other countries.. Something special for every member states where seats can be taken. They see lacks of parties supporting several ideas and slide in.
They do the same in Germany, where anti-European part of public had no party to vote for (except some ultra nationalistic ones), so the libertas slided in.
How do you think why they didn't publish any program? Still don't know? Read above again..
In UK they recently changed their policy into anti-European, trying to get votes of the most anti-European British party called UKIP which shows one of their latest spot:
Oops, someone forgot to say he's not anti-EU..?
So that is another libertas' lie that I found recently while speaking to my European friends from different countries. Is libertas an answer or Ganley has hundred faces? Judge yourself.3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flt-dGUsJnYComments
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They have a program. Their program is short and simple - act destructively against EU.Libertas has no program, that's why they can tell different things and different plans in many different countries.
Opposing the Treaty of Lisbon is clearly acting against EU, because the Treaty of Lisbon would provide EU more efficient way to take solutions. It would help us avoid the state of stagnation.
Let's have in mind that they are pan-European party, so they do not defend any interests on any separate country also they do not use nationalistic principles because of that. So the only reason left to act like this is antiEuropean attitude and destructivism.
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By the way, if you like conspiracy theories yesterday I have noticed that the server of Libertas is in USA. Also then they have used a timer for the beginning of the EP elections, they have used time of middle USA. And that is not their server time, their server is near Los Angeles.
These are the screenshots:
Time
GMT 16:30h. The beginning of the elections - 00h (24h). 24:00h - 16:30h = 7:30h.
The counter says it is 14h left. 14h - 7:30h = 6:30h difference or the time zone is UTC-6:30. That is equal to the middle of USA. See the map.
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Their server is located near Los Angeles. Therefore the time used is not of their server. Their server time is UTC-8.
USA project? One of my friends says I'm crazy. Maybe I am
I understand this is far from enougt to state something as a fact, I also understand that in such global times there is no problem to rent a server in any corner of the world. But still the time used is interesting choice to say at least 
Pentagon has once said, that it will act against EU cohesion if EU will try to work without USA provision. The Treaty of Lisbon is exactly what allows Europe to get closer to the international geopolitical level that it deserves regarding its economical and other capacity. USA don't want to meet counterweight for its geopolitical monopoly (this will end soon anyway, if not EU, then China; therefore I suggest USA to start working together with EU on one level, not acting against us, EU is much more reliable partner for them than any other).
More on this topic:
http://euobserver.com/9/26386
http://www.yellow-stars.com/Europe/America.Lisbon.Europe.htm (notice the sources; they seem reliable)
Source.On 15 July 2008, RTÉ News on Two covered Ganley's comments at The Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C., where he stated that Libertas intended running as a political party at European level.
You can find The Heritage Foundation mentioned in the previous link I have gave.
Always have your own mind and think analytically. You don't have to take what I have said as a true. I don't want to sound somehow cathegorical, I don't give it as a fact, I simply reason
By the way I am not the only one who rises suchlike questions. I.e. you can find Fine Gael asking:Should the Pentagon Decide on the Future of Europe?
They say:
Source.Fine Gael European Affairs Spokesperson, Lucinda Creighton has today questioned whether the motivation for Ulick McEvaddy and Declan Ganley's opposition to the Lisbon Treaty is their central involvement in the provision of US military equipment and intelligence. <...>
Messrs Ganley and McEvaddy's own personal economic and military interests in the US must be directly informing their own positions in opposing the Lisbon Treaty.
Mr. McEvaddy stated in an interview with the Sunday Business Post on January 21st 2007 that: "I have huge connections with the U.S. military and, if it came to using them, I would."
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"The businesses of both Ulick McEvaddy and Declan Ganley are heavily dependent on contracts from the State Department, the Pentagon and US Government Agencies. I believe that these men are a lot less concerned about Irish sovereignty and the wording of the Lisbon Treaty than they are about the potential hit to their own personal business interests."
And we can remember Eueopean Parliament president Hans-Gert Pottering:
Source.He has <...> asked the parliament's political groups to consider launching an inquiry to discover whether US agencies actively supported Libertas in the June 12th referendum.
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Mr Pottering was responding to a speech by Green Party president Daniel Cohn-Bendit at the opening of the parliament's monthly plenary session in Brussels. Mr Cohn-Bendit called on the EU council to undertake an investigation into Libertas funding to determine if claims of interference by US bodies such as the CIA or Pentagon were true.
"We are awaiting confirmation of reports in the media regarding funding of Libertas's campaign for a No vote to the Lisbon Treaty. If proved true, this would clearly show that there are forces in the US willing to pay people to destabilise a strong and autonomous Europe," he later explained in a press statement.
Let's go forward:
Source.<...> the chief sponsor of the No vote is Libertas, a group led and funded by two Irish entrepreneurs who head U.S.-based companies with strong ties to the American military. Whether that is a coincidence or not, it has given rise to conspiracy theories galore and suspicions of U.S. involvement in the anti-Lisbon campaign.
Libertas was founded by Galway native Declan J. Ganley, chairman and CEO of Rivada Networks, a provider of interoperable public safety communications networks for homeland security forces and first responders headquartered in Washington, D.C.
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Comments by John Bolton, former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, added fuel to the conspiracy theory. In an interview with Britain’s Daily Telegraph, Bolton said the treaty would undercut NATO <...>
There is enough to discuss for even a new thread: Libertas - the antiEuropean project of USA?
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Libertas will fail big time in Ireland.0 -
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Nigel Farge UKIP is not part of Libertas, but he entertaining to watch. He should have his own TV show. Maybe we should get him for the Late Late Show, the tv poll rating will increase.Libertas has no program, that's why they can tell different things and different plans in many different countries.
In Ireland for example they claim themselves as pro-Europeans, in Poland they recruit ultra nationalists and anti-Semites that are against euro currency at all. Same story in other countries.. Something special for every member states where seats can be taken. They see lacks of parties supporting several ideas and slide in.
They do the same in Germany, where anti-European part of public had no party to vote for (except some ultra nationalistic ones), so the libertas slided in.
How do you think why they didn't publish any program? Still don't know? Read above again..
In UK they recently changed their policy into anti-European, trying to get votes of the most anti-European British party called UKIP which shows one of their latest spot:
Oops, someone forgot to say he's not anti-EU..?
So that is another libertas' lie that I found recently while speaking to my European friends from different countries. Is libertas an answer or Ganley has hundred faces? Judge yourself.
Libertas are not any different than Fianna Fail, They both lie to get what they want and that your vote at Elections....
Can you show proof that Libertas has connections with other European Parties running under the banner of Libertas in other countries? beside the basic fact that most of them are against the EU. Ultra right Parties and Ultra Left patries are so different that the only thing they agree on is they both want power and anti EU. These extreme Parties in other EU countries are no different than parties in the centre. They all lie to get your vote..0 -
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Agree. Take that server stuff as a bonusI wouldn't say that server matters here.
Maybe I shouldn't put that at all, it only damages the post But the rest makes some sense in my opinion. And I would really like to know it better what interests lies under Libertas if there are any other than their official ones. 0 -
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PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »Indeed, I'm hoping the 'it's either 1 or 13 for ganley' attitude I've heard will do him in.
Yeah, I'm another person who filled out the full ballot just to give Ganley 13. 0 -
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Another interesting stat I heard on RTE was that only 6% of FF defectors switched to Libertas in the euros. So they're not picking up much of the protest vote.
Another stat was that Pat the Cope was on ~33% in Donegal, and the SF guy (can't remember his name
) was on 32% there. I guess they were exit poll figures.
Edit: Of course any nationwide figures on Libertas are skewed, as the only real contender is Ganley.0 -
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From this long thread on Politics.ie, Ganley is reported to be doing very well (according to several posters involved in the tallies). Or, more to the point, Pat the Cope is doing poorly outside Donegal, which could be his undoing. Ganley and Pat the Cope to fight it out for the last seat, by the look of things. I've a horrible feeling Ganley will make it.
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