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Why is Sein Fein such a dirty word down south?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭turgon


    2-D Man wrote: »
    SF are not stuck in the past

    Really? Second point in manifesto: Irish Unification. Surprise surprise.

    Also, any person that says the lack of "friendship" between FG and SF is due to a treaty made 70 years ago is only looking one way: backwards.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭RiverWilde


    There is no way in hell that I would vote for Sinn Fein. I cannot accept anything they say because they have links with criminals and terrorists whether admitted or not. The aforementioned terrorists killed women and children and people going about their daily lives just because they didn't agree with their vision. So long as they refuse to condemn ALL violence in the north and condemn all related deaths they will never get my vote. I hope to God they never gain any power in the south because their ideals do not match mine.

    Riv


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


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    Neither can I. Economic collectivism should only be used to finance the banks and not for something abhorrent like financing a progressive society.

    Long live socialism, of the corporate variety of course.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    turgon wrote: »
    Really? Second point in manifesto: Irish Unification. Surprise surprise.

    If you think that's backward, maybe you should re-examine the meaning of that word. Here's a dictionary:

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Backward


    PS: You can bet there is nobody in the Department of Finance who appreciates the border either. It is profoundly backward to think there is a future without ending partition. And maybe the economic problems associated with it are just sinking in for a lot of people now.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭junder


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    If you think that's backward, maybe you should re-examine the meaning of that word. Here's a dictionary:

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Backward


    PS: You can bet there is nobody in the Department of Finance who appreciates the border either. It is profoundly backward to think there is a future without ending partition. And maybe the economic problems associated with it are just sinking in for a lot of people now.

    certinly going to cause old slab murphy and few other 'friends' of sinn fein so economic problems if you got rid of the border. Saw an atricule today saying that you get charged for the fire brigade coming out to your house, so guy has just got charged over 1000 euros for being rescued from his car by the irish fire brigade add to the the A&E charge it shows how 'profoundly' important it is to keep the border, thanks but we like our free health care and free rescue services, what next are the gardi going to be charging for thier services?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_...st/8082454.stm

    A Donegal motorist has said he was astonished after being charged more than 1,000 euros for firefighters to attend a crash he was involved in.

    The itemised bill from the county council was sent to the man's home in St Johnston.

    It charges him nearly 300 euros for a fire appliance from Stranorlar and 729 euros for one from Northern Ireland.

    The man who does not want to be named said it was "ridiculous", especially as he did not call for the fire service.

    "I never called them out so I don't think I should have to pay it," he said.

    "It just says about the price and what fire brigades came and where they came from and what they're looking for.

    "They're looking for 1,024 for coming out and doing nothing, never had to cut anybody out or nothing."

    Bobby McMenamin, the acting chief fire officer for Donegal, said the billing system has been in place since 1985.

    "With any response from the fire service in the Republic, there is a charge and a bill is issued," he said.

    "A typical house or chimney fire would be about 100 euro."

    "But a commercial or business fire is billed at the full rate plus 30%, and then a road accident is the full rate of 1,000 euro."

    Mr McMenamin said that the bills are sent to the owners of the cars involved in an accident.

    "Sometimes the cost is divided by the number of cars involved," he said.

    "If there is a court case the person who is found responsible for the accident then pays it through their insurance "

    "We do look at every case individually, for example if there are any fatalities we would not bill the family."

    Maybe its you that should be thinking of joining us in the UK ;)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    junder wrote: »
    .... Maybe its you that should be thinking of joining us in the UK ;)

    Interesting post, Junder. I note he was charged more by the firebrigade coming from Derry which adds to my original point.

    Ara I wouldn't worry about all that UK stuff. Sure what with the EU deciding everything and the Scots looking for freedom and all sorts of other commotions its days are numbered. At least in the old empire times the rabble could be sent abroad to civilise the natives and the Scots could be bought off by positions in the same Empire. After the wars are done, politics and nation-making is primarily (if not entirely) about buying people off and the resources aren't in the UK for that anymore. It's no coincidence that the rise in Scottish nationalism correlates with the decline of the British Empire.

    Come on, join us in the European Union, Junder. Share our wonderful metric system and currency with 175 million of your fellow countrymen. The king is dead; long live the king! :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    Jason Mc wrote: »
    All these parties arguing about not wanting to go in collation with the Sein Fein.

    Why is that?

    I vote for them. I don't fully agree with all their policies (they are a bit too left wing for my liking) but I see them as a party with integrity and they have been at the forefront of change in the north for years.

    Obviously they have links with the (P)IRA. Is this the main reason?

    I just find it irnonic that most parties in the south expect DUP and the rest of the unionists to work with them but dare not do it themselves.

    Oh and Jason, Sinn Féin is actually two words ;) (and no matter what anybody tells you it means, it actually means 'We Ourselves' not 'Ourselves Alone')


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    IIMII wrote: »
    There is an element of protectionism to it. FF and Lab don't want a mainstream resurgent SF eating into their share of the electoral pie. FG is more complicated, as they still hold a civil way heritage but at the same token they also have Collins' fans that might also be tempted towards supporting a mainstream SF. The policy on the part of all parties is to keep SF on the margins.

    On a more practical level, there is also the problem of proxy influence from elected representatives in the north using southern seats to influence policy in the south - I don't mean on the reunification issue, I mean on economic matters as well. It probably doesn't help that the SF leadership is northern dominated to the degree it is. To some extent that is the product of reverse of the situation where the northern leadership of the party want to maintain leadership of the party in the north as that is where their primary focus is.

    It would help if SF were more nationally organised for the want of a better word, constituted equally by province or population etc. However, that may be a chicken and egg scenario. If SF are successful in the south, the southern element will push for that reform based on weight.

    In the meantime, none of the other parties will do anything to encourage growth in support for SF, and that includes being in a hurry to include them in a coalition.

    Good post again, IMII. Just curious though what 'civil way heritage' is. Thanks!


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,846 ✭✭✭SeanW


    What would Markievicz say to all these Poles coming in taking Irish women? What would DeValera say to the girls going off to Ibiza and coming back with half-spanish kids?
    :D
    .. that was either a very nuanced attempt at humor, on ah epic PHAIL.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭IIMII


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    Good post again, IMII. Just curious though what 'civil way heritage' is. Thanks!
    Sorry, should have read 'civil war heritage' - need to watch for the typos..!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    IIMII wrote: »
    Sorry, should have read 'civil war heritage' - need to watch for the typos..!

    Ah, I was thinking it was some neologism to describe their politics, something like Anthony Giddens's 'Third Way'.

    'Civil Way Heritage' does sound like it has potential, though!;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Exile 1798


    turgon wrote: »
    Really? Second point in manifesto: Irish Unification. Surprise surprise.

    Also, any person that says the lack of "friendship" between FG and SF is due to a treaty made 70 years ago is only looking one way: backwards.

    Fine Gael - The United Ireland Party.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    turgon wrote: »
    No, perhaps we all oppose them because they are firmly stuck in the past.

    Given the comments that appear on a regular basis around here, its more often those who oppose who are stuck in the past, if not an alternative time line....
    2-D Man wrote:
    Please back that up. .

    Wouldn't hold me breath there......
    turgon wrote: »
    Really? Second point in manifesto: Irish Unification. Surprise surprise.
    .

    On the website? It goes in alphabetical order - 'All-Ireland'.....

    Secondly, your opinion that having that as a policy makes them 'stuck in the past' does not actually make it a fact.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭IIMII


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    Ah, I was thinking it was some neologism to describe their politics, something like Anthony Giddens's 'Third Way'.

    'Civil Way Heritage' does sound like it has potential, though!;)
    Civil war heritage, it's a euphemism for living in the past


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭Red Sleeping Beauty


    mike65 wrote: »
    I was going to start a thread on this but forgot - SF do seem to have gone big on the "Babe"/youth factor, it makes the parties appeal look rather superficial.

    So have Labour and there was that Fine Gael picture.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    3 reasons afik

    1. Sinn fein is Finna Failure without the corruption!

    2. Sinn Fein has done all its promised and only promised what it can do!

    3. Its the only true socialist party that spends countless time trying to franchise the poor and downtrodden. It operates this charter on a 32 county basis!

    But read the papers no doubt they are believed more that all the community workers who constantly comment on the amount of work sinn fein contribute to the community


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,375 ✭✭✭kmick


    3 reasons afik

    1. Sinn fein is Finna Failure without the corruption!

    2. Sinn Fein has done all its promised and only promised what it can do!

    3. Its the only true socialist party that spends countless time trying to franchise the poor and downtrodden. It operates this charter on a 32 county basis!

    Heres what they should put on the poster
    "SF - Its just a different type of corruption."

    Sinn Fein is not in power so they cant promise anything. It will however be very interesting to see if they gain seats in the next election. They could be the new PD's ("PD's with menace" could be their future slogan).

    The opposite of disenfranchise is enfranchise by the way ;p


  • Registered Users Posts: 611 ✭✭✭Can'tseeme


    kmick wrote: »
    Heres what they should put on the poster
    "SF - Its just a different type of corruption."

    Sinn Fein is not in power so they cant promise anything. It will however be very interesting to see if they gain seats in the next election. They could be the new PD's ("PD's with menace" could be their future slogan).

    The opposite of disenfranchise is enfranchise by the way ;p

    Corruption, menace, sure throw in gangsters to make them sound as evil as you can. As I've said, Jim Allister speak.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Liam Byrne wrote: »

    Why not?

    If you haven't an argument to make, don't try to fill the gap with t-shirts.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,375 ✭✭✭kmick


    Can'tseeme wrote: »
    Corruption, menace, sure throw in gangsters to make them sound as evil as you can. As I've said, Jim Allister speak.

    They dont need my help on that one.They are doing just fine on their own.
    Nodin wrote: »
    Why not?

    If you haven't an argument to make, don't try to fill the gap with t-shirts.

    Yes and instead of having any policies sell T-shirts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    kmick wrote: »

    Yes and instead of having any policies sell T-shirts.

    ....but they have policies.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,375 ✭✭✭kmick


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....but they have policies.

    Yes...Yes they do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Nodin wrote: »
    Why not?

    If you haven't an argument to make, don't try to fill the gap with t-shirts.

    Because loads of sympathisers and supporters have been suggesting "move on", as if we were the only ones that have to.

    Basically, things fall into 2 camps:

    1) Those who believe SF have moved on
    2) Those who HOPE they have, and want them to, but hear their statements with a less gullible ear, hear the sectarian differences between their utterances on certain issues and realise that things like not condemning murder* precludes you from deserving to be elected

    When SF move on, we will too.

    *So should taking backhanders and obstructing tribunals, and being completely incompetent, but FF are a law onto themselves....

    Or at least were, up to today........fingers crossed!


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Because loads of sympathisers and supporters have been suggesting "move on", as if we were the only ones that have to.

    Basically, things fall into 2 camps:

    1) Those who believe SF have moved on
    2) Those who HOPE they have, and want them to, but hear their statements with a less gullible ear, hear the sectarian differences between their utterances on certain issues and realise that things like not condemning murder* precludes you from deserving to be elected

    When SF move on, we will too.

    *So should taking backhanders and obstructing tribunals, and being completely incompetent, but FF are a law onto themselves....

    Or at least were, up to today........fingers crossed!


    I think you should go for a few pints and relax. You have been very pent up all week...:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Because loads of sympathisers and supporters have been suggesting "move on", as if we were the only ones that have to.

    Theres no armed campaign anymore. Thats "moving on". You were given other evidence of them having 'moved on', in a post you pointedly ignored.

    Doubtless if they ditched all mention of it, they'd be accused of trying to bury the past.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    I think you should go for a few pints and relax. You have been very pent up all week...:)

    Oh, so my views are because I'm "pent up" ? Thanks for that.....I thought they were just the result of being careful of who I trust and believe, wanting like treated with like, and wanting equal justice for all.

    I guess I'd better get out of the way and go for counselling, leaving Toireasa Ferris & Co to continue with their election campaign unhindered by genuine concerns and questions.

    As for being "pent up", if I am then it's probably down to having been accused of being a "west brit" and "unpatriotic" earlier in the week.

    Imagine, "west brit", "unpatriotic" and now "pent up".......amazing the accusations that fly when you say "I don't believe SF and I want elected representatives to condemn murder". :rolleyes:

    What next, I wonder ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Liam Byrne wrote: »

    As for being "pent up", if I am then it's probably down to having been accused of being a "west brit" and "unpatriotic" earlier in the week.

    Imagine, "west brit", "unpatriotic" and now "pent up".......amazing the accusations that fly when you say "I don't believe SF and I want elected representatives to condemn murder".

    And of course we PSF supporters suffer no abuse and general crap at all, at all.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Oh, so my views are because I'm "pent up" ? Thanks for that.....I thought they were just the result of being careful of who I trust and believe, wanting like treated with like, and wanting equal justice for all.

    I guess I'd better get out of the way and go for counselling, leaving Toireasa Ferris & Co to continue with their election campaign unhindered by genuine concerns and questions.

    As for being "pent up", if I am then it's probably down to having been accused of being a "west brit" and "unpatriotic" earlier in the week.

    Imagine, "west brit", "unpatriotic" and now "pent up".......amazing the accusations that fly when you say "I don't believe SF and I want elected representatives to condemn murder". :rolleyes:

    What next, I wonder ?


    This isnt a personal attack on you or your views but if you are going to get this worked up over posts from strangers then you will get very bitter angry...remember..it is an internet chatroom...dont take it so personally.

    Keep it in context...relax..


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