Polish Candidate Running For Town Council

dianababyddori

In my local town, tomorrow will be the election for the town council.
What amuses alot of people is a independant polish canditate running for election:

Is This the start of a new generation.

Whats Your views????

aidan_walsh

":rolleyes:"? Guess we don't need to ask your views...

PaulieD

dianababyddori wrote: »

In my local town, tomorrow will be the election for the town council.
What amuses alot of people is a independant polish canditate running for election:rolleyes:.....

Is This the start of a new generation of being excepted....
Is it right or wrong???
etc..

Whats Your views????:cool:

She may be only in the country a few years, but she has the right to run in elections if she so wishes.

Dont like it, dont vote for her. I noticed she is a member of Fianna Fail, that doesnt give her much hope of being elected.

dianababyddori

aidan_walsh wrote: »

":rolleyes:"? Guess we don't need to ask your views...

Ohhh no sorry that came out totally the wrong way.. i had to re-edit it.
I just been hearing a few people not keen on the issue..
One woman commenting ''next the president will be polish'' haha

Haha maybe its the next generation like obama being the first black president..

Just looking for views...

dianababyddori

PaulieD wrote: »

She may be only in the country a few years, but she has the right to run in elections if she so wishes.

Dont like it, dont vote for her. I noticed she is a member of Fianna Fail, that doesnt give her much hope of being elected.

Yeah everyones not keen on fianna fail these days but i think she has a chance of it. i hope she does get it.

But i hate fiana fail... useless...

PaulieD

dianababyddori wrote: »

Yeah everyones not keen on fianna fail these days but i think she has a chance of it. i hope she does get it.

But i hate fiana fail... useless...

You have completely changed your views because one person made a comment. Why is that? Be honest in your beliefs and dont be swayed by others.

From reading your post it was obvious you hope she did not get in. Il be honest and admit it would worry me if immigrant candidates started to win seats in the dail as they mostly pander to their own fellow nationals.

prinz

PaulieD wrote: »

Il be honest and admit it would worry me if immigrant candidates started to win seats in the dail as they mostly pander to their own fellow nationals.

Xenophobia is alive and well. Suppose it doesn't bother you that everywhere the Irish went, one of the first things they did was enter politics? USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc etc.

Stabshauptmann

Your post could do with the name of the candidate or the town, or your own opinion.

That aside, you dont seem to be too up on the times: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotimi_Adebari

Was reported on CNN, BBC, RTE, Sky News. The Daily Mail has done a number of articles on him (it turns out he worked illegally in the UK, was deported from France, and would have been deported from Ireland were it not for the old Irish born child loophole).

Tarzan007

PaulieD wrote: »

She may be only in the country a few years, but she has the right to run in elections if she so wishes.

Dont like it, dont vote for her. I noticed she is a member of Fianna Fail, that doesnt give her much hope of being elected.

I thought he said " independent polish candidate ". I'd certainly approach her views with a more open mind than that of our native born who have made a shambles of running the country for decades.

PaulieD

prinz wrote: »

Xenophobia is alive and well. Suppose it doesn't bother you that everywhere the Irish went, one of the first things they did was enter politics? USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc etc.

All new world countries. We need a major shake up in Irish politics. People still vote along civil war loyalities. The last thing we need is poles voting for poles, nigerians voting for nigerians.

Hate to break this to you but everyone who entered politics in USA, Canada, Australia, or New Zealend is an immigrant or of immigrant stock.

A strawman. We are discussing Ireland here.

prinz

Kaptain Redeye wrote: »

Your post could do with the name of the candidate or the town, or your own opinion.

That aside, you dont seem to be too up on the times: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotimi_Adebari

Was reported on CNN, BBC, RTE, Sky News. The Daily Mail has done a number of articles on him (it turns out he worked illegally in the UK, was deported from France, and would have been deported from Ireland were it not for the old Irish born child loophole).

Problem with this is that he can't win in your eyes can he? He comes here, gets an education, makes and honest living, gets elected for public office and still you're against him.

Perhaps he should've gone on the dole and done nothing.

prinz

PaulieD wrote: »

The last thing we need is poles voting for poles, nigerians voting for nigerians.

Hate to break this to you but everyone who entered politics in USA, Canada, Australia, or New Zealend is an immigrant or of immigrant stock.

And what are the Poles, Latvians, Nigerians here if not immigrants? Who do you think voted for the Irish politicians abroad, if not the Irish immigrant community? You say we need a shake up, well this could be the catalyst, if a significant proportion of the population start not to vote along civil war lines maybe the rest will follow.

dianababyddori

PaulieD wrote: »

Il be honest and admit it would worry me if immigrant candidates started to win seats in the dail as they mostly pander to their own fellow nationals.

Haha yeah id do the same thing if it was for the irish in another country.
We look after each other:D

prinz

PaulieD wrote: »

All new world countries.

wtf has that got to do with anything? As our current Republic we're only 60 odd years old. President Sarkozy is second generation immigrant in France. What makes Ireland so different, only the latent racist parochial nature of some people.

PaulieD

prinz wrote: »

wtf has that got to do with anything? As our current Republic we're only 60 odd years old. President Sarkozy is second generation immigrant in France. What makes Ireland so different, only the latent racist parochial nature of some people.

The government has responsibalities to these groups of people,

1-Irish citizens.

In that order.

PaulieD

prinz wrote: »

And what are the Poles, Latvians, Nigerians here if not immigrants? Who do you think voted for the Irish politicians abroad, if not the Irish immigrant community? You say we need a shake up, well this could be the catalyst, if a significant proportion of the population start not to vote along civil war lines maybe the rest will follow.

I will post up some election manifestos from immigrant candidates later, it seems to me that they are pandering to their own community.

If an immigrant ran for election with a good manifesto to benefit the people of Ireland that I agreed with, they would get my numero uno. We need intergration not more of the same civil war type politics as we have already.

Liam Byrne

PaulieD wrote: »

From reading your post it was obvious you hope she did not get in. Il be honest and admit it would worry me if immigrant candidates started to win seats in the dail as they mostly pander to their own fellow nationals.

Works both ways. How lucky was it for Irish in the U.S. that Kennedy got elected ?

As for pandering to their "fellow nationals"; could work out better for all of us than politicians who pander to their Galway Tent buddies.

prinz

PaulieD wrote: »

The government has responsibalities to these groups of people,

1-Irish citizens.

In that order.

You're assuming that they are not already Irish citizens?

Dr Galen

PaulieD wrote: »

I will post up some election manifestos from immigrant candidates later, it seems to me that they are pandering to their own community.

If an immigrant ran for election with a good manifesto to benefit the people of Ireland that I agreed with, they would my numero uno. We need intergration not more of the same civil war type politics as we have already.

isn't that what all politician do though?

take the Socialist workers party for example. Don't they pander to thier wn community, i.e left wing socialists. Use the PD's as another example, they initially anyway, put forward a pro-enterprise, small government, liberal platform. That is one that would appeal to only a section of the community, but they ran with it anyway, over the years you could say that they "pandered" to that community with their ideas on policies etc.

I also don't see how racial integration and civil war politics can be used in the same sentence as you have done?

PaulieD

Mystik Monkey wrote: »

isn't that what all politician do though?

take the Socialist workers party for example. Don't they pander to thier wn community, i.e left wing socialists. Use the PD's as another example, they initially anyway, put forward a pro-enterprise, small government, liberal platform. That is one that would appeal to only a section of the community, but they ran with it anyway, over the years you could say that they "pandered" to that community with their ideas on policies etc.

I also don't see how racial integration and civil war politics can be used in the same sentence as you have done?

There is a big difference between nationality and community. A polish man may be part of the Irish communtiy, but he is not an Irish national.

If you run for election your job is to look after your ward, not your fellow nationals in that ward. Looking at all the foreign nationals manifestos I have found no evidence that their main priorities lie with the Irish people, only that of their own.

Loads of talk about multiculturalism, support for the Polish,Latvian,Nigerian community alright. Not much about the native Irish.

One Lithuanian wants to send Irish people over to her native land to private recieve health care there. Evidence and links will be supplied when I have more time tonight.

Stabshauptmann

prinz wrote: »

Problem with this is that he can't win in your eyes can he? He comes here, gets an education, makes and honest living, gets elected for public office and still you're against him.

Perhaps he should've gone on the dole and done nothing.

Are you ****ting me?

He didnt come to Ireland to make something of himself, he was a well off educated man in Nigeria (bachelor of economics from Benin).

Working illegally does not constitute an honest living.

Honesty is the most important thing to have in our elected officials. Lying about his past and sneaking into 3 countries illegally. This sounds like an honest chap to you?

Why should the standard be any different for Adebari - oh right, because saying anything other than praise is racism?

prinz

Kaptain Redeye wrote: »

Are you ****ting me?

He didnt come to Ireland to make something of himself, he was a well off educated man in Nigeria (bachelor of economics from Benin).

Working illegally does not constitute an honest living.

Honesty is the most important thing to have in our elected officials. Lying about his past and sneaking into 3 countries illegally. This sounds like an honest chap to you?

Why should the standard be any different for Adebari - oh right, because saying anything other than praise is racism?

My question stands, can he win in your eyes? There was a legal loophole here and he got the advantage of that. I couldn't give a crap if someone praises him or not, what I do give a crap about is closet-xenophobia. Plenty of educated Irish flowing out of this country now to many countries, many of them illegally, do you have an issue with them?

PaulieD

prinz wrote: »

My question stands, can he win in your eyes? There was a legal loophole here and he got the advantage of that. I couldn't give a crap if someone praises him or not, what I do give a crap about is closet-xenophobia. Plenty of educated Irish flowing out of this country now to many countries, many of them illegally, do you have an issue with them?

Still many foreigners arriving here, mostly from eastern europe. The Irish emigrating are mainly going to Australia/Canada/NZ/USA, which they would need a work permit to enter.

Yet if anyone brings up introducing work permits for the accession states, they are labelled xenophobic.

Now Germany, the biggest economy in europe has a work permit system in place for eastern europeans. Meanwhile in Ireland, a bankrupt small island, we allow them free access to our label market. We were told they are going home. Somebody should tell that to the 36,044 immigrants who applied for PPS numbers since January the 1st 2009. We certainly are a gombeen nation.

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Topics/PPSN/Pages/ppsn_all_month09.aspx

How many dependants arrived with them? How many illegals arrived? How many claim social welfare and work the black market? Nobody has a clue in this Banana Republic.

nkay1985

I think it's great for people who aren't Irish-born to get involved in politics. It can help to bring freshness to parochial Irish politics. And the foreign people living in that area will feel that they have a voice in the community which will help with integration.

It can't be a bad thing.

PaulieD

nkay1985 wrote: »

I think it's great for people who aren't Irish-born to get involved in politics. It can help to bring freshness to parochial Irish politics. And the foreign people living in that area will feel that they have a voice in the community which will help with integration.

It can't be a bad thing.

If you think its great vote for one. Never mind issues and all that jazz. Sure they will bring a unique freshness, not much interest in the native Irish but sure never mind that.

Surely the best candidate for the role should get your vote. Or, heaven forbid are you calling for reverse racism? Affirmative action while voting? Sounds that way.

Mean while back on planet earth......

nkay1985

PaulieD wrote: »

If you think its great vote for one. Never mind issues and all that jazz. Sure they will bring a unique freshness, not much interest in the native Irish but sure never mind that.

Surely the best candidate for the role should get your vote. Or, heaven forbid are you calling for reverse racism? Affirmative action while voting? Sounds that way.

Mean while back on planet earth......

Of course the best candidate for the job should get your vote. Nobody's suggesting otherwise.

And if a candidate doesn't "have much interest in the native Irish" then they wouldn't get my vote. But you seem to be intimating that just because somebody isn't from Ireland, they couldn't possibly be a good representative.

I think it's you who's not on planet Earth to be honest.

PaulieD

nkay1985 wrote: »

Of course the best candidate for the job should get your vote. Nobody's suggesting otherwise.

And if a candidate doesn't "have much interest in the native Irish" then they wouldn't get my vote. But you seem to be intimating that just because somebody isn't from Ireland, they couldn't possibly be a good representative.

I think it's you who's not on planet Earth to be honest.

I have said already on this thread that I looked up each ones campaign manifesto. It seems to be they are more interested in their fellow nationals than the good of the country. I will post up links later on this evening to be back up my view.

In the mean time you can use google and have a look yourself if you so wish.

af_thefragile

Don't see the big deal.

If you don't like it, don't vote for it.

prinz

PaulieD wrote: »

There is a big difference between nationality and community. A polish man may be part of the Irish communtiy, but he is not an Irish national.

Once again you assume all immigrants are non-national. Personally I have come across many people of foreign origin who are Irish citizens.

PaulieD wrote: »

If you run for election your job is to look after your ward, not your fellow nationals in that ward. Looking at all the foreign nationals manifestos I have found no evidence that their main priorities lie with the Irish people, only that of their own.

But then you go on to say one of them wants to send us abroad for better health care..... which is it?

PaulieD wrote: »

Loads of talk about multiculturalism, support for the Polish,Latvian,Nigerian community alright. Not much about the native Irish.

Again with the weeping violin, poor us poor us. Talk about word for word from Mein Kampf, strangers and outcasts in our own land, boohoo.

PaulieD wrote: »

One Lithuanian wants to send Irish people over to her native land to private recieve health care there. Evidence and links will be supplied when I have more time tonight.

But you just said they weren't interested in doing anything for Irish people

If the health care I'd receive there would be better than here, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, then I'd be glad to go. Many Irish people are already going abroad for healthcare.

PaulieD wrote: »

Still many foreigners arriving here, mostly from eastern europe. The Irish emigrating are mainly going to Australia/Canada/NZ/USA, which they would need a work permit to enter.

What about the thousands of illegals in the US for example? I suppose you would be one of the people campaigning for them to be excused from the legalities of immigration?

PaulieD wrote: »

How many claim social welfare and work the black market? Nobody has a clue in this Banana Republic.

I think you'll find in a recent department spot check, the vast majority of those claiming fraudulently were Irish....

PaulieD wrote: »

If you think its great vote for one. Never mind issues and all that jazz. Sure they will bring a unique freshness, not much interest in the native Irish but sure never mind that.

Surely the best candidate for the role should get your vote. Or, heaven forbid are you calling for reverse racism? Affirmative action while voting? Sounds that way.

And the best candidate could not possibly be an immigrant no? You do realize you are using all the arguments, language, and reasoning of the UKIP, BNP, and other historical parties of questionable character.

You have a severe case of paranoia pal, its not a case of us versus them unless you make it into one.

prinz

PaulieD wrote: »

I have said already on this thread that I looked up each ones campaign manifesto. It seems to be they are more interested in their fellow nationals than the good of the country.

{A} These are candidates for local elections, not national.

{B} If there campaign manifestos showed pandering to the "native" Irish as you put it, you'd be ok with that?

{C} They are, like everyone else, aiming their literature, at the people they feel are most likely to vote for them. Every party has a target audience, of people they can sway, or who traditionally would vote along certain lines.

{D} Personally I look at SF manifestos and I see nothing in there relating to the good of the country either, ditto I look at manifestos of "native Irish" independents and see nothing positive relating to the good of the ward, all simply relying on the protest vote. Which is crap, if they're looking for my vote why don't they tell me some policies etc. instead of telling me what I already know about the economy and FF.

Stabshauptmann

prinz wrote: »

My question stands, can he win in your eyes? There was a legal loophole here and he got the advantage of that. I couldn't give a crap if someone praises him or not, what I do give a crap about is closet-xenophobia. Plenty of educated Irish flowing out of this country now to many countries, many of them illegally, do you have an issue with them?

Closet Xenophobia? Would I have voted for him if I was a racist?
I wont vote for him again because of the questions over his honesty [edit]And more importantly his refusal to comment on these matter.[/edit]

Where does race come into this?

Get off your high horse