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English P2 Aftermath

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭arthistory


    rhapsody! wrote: »
    Did anyone do 1. for Cultural context?
    Didn't really know how to get conflict into it tbh, we never did conflict in class. I referred to the question in the introduction and conclusion, but the rest was just general cultural context.
    Starting to have doubts? :P

    Yeah I had a lovely cultural context prepared but not an ounce of conflict in it but i shoved bits in here and there. where i screwed up was i started talking bout kate in philadelphia here i come and judy in curious incident and they are NOT main characters. but the role of women was in my plan and i didn't knoe what else to do....anyone else write about non main characters???:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,901 ✭✭✭Twilightning


    I wrote 9 and a half pages on everything except prescribed poetry, which wasn't even attempted due to time restraints.

    Am I safe?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 884 ✭✭✭ya-ba-da-ba-doo


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    Only did part A1 of the Unseen poetry (the 20 mark one) and didnt do the two 10 ones!
    You only do either the two ten markers or the twenty marker, not both?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Hellsing


    Thought the paper was fairly handy tbh :)
    Theme & Issue was no bother, I studied it well and the question was nice

    Macbeth was another good question but I probably should've written more, I did about 4 pages for it.

    Unseen poem, I did OK, seemed pretty straight forward

    Did Bishop for poetry and i think I did really well there, got about 5 pages of good stuff in.

    I'm hoping for a B1 or maybe an A2 if I'm lucky.

    I've heard a lot of complaints about the Walcott Q from friends. I was thinking about doing the Walcott question but decided against it luckily:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,386 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990


    I was happy enough.
    Plenty of BS, but thats grand for English.

    Did: Walcott, Macbeth (Consequences), CC (Conflict)

    Plenty of Quotes but far too much Waffle to get an A.

    My friend studied Longley, and I spent the first 5 minutes consoling her quietly from across the room. She was in tears afterwards.... Women! She'll still get the A1.

    All the lads had Bishop done, so all in all, everyone was happy.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    That paper couldn't have suited me better. Absolutely perfect. And I'll be lucky if I get a B.

    I chose the second Mac question for reasons still unknown to myself even though I knew all the quotes and information for question 1. LOL.

    Bishop, oh what a mind ****. Me being me interpreted the quotation literally and looked for "actual questions" in her poetry, like in 'questions of travel'. Managed to get 2 pages on it and couldn't understand how everyone else wrote pages and pages. Yes, I'm an idiot.

    That's my hopes of an A gone and my college course because of the perfect papaer in my favourite subject. One for the grand-children.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 529 ✭✭✭rhapsody!


    Did anyone hear this? :P
    http://www.dublins98.ie/shows/morning_crew.php#1478

    Scroll down to where it says: We all know the story of the Leaving Cert English 2 paper. I hear Hollywood are interested in making a movie about it. And click play. Made me laugh anyway. Wasn't sure if you heard it already and I'm not bothering going through loads of pages.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    I wrote 9 and a half pages on everything except prescribed poetry, which wasn't even attempted due to time restraints.

    Am I safe?

    You wrote 9 and a half pages on the unseen poem?!? :eek::eek::eek: :pac:

    I assume you didn't attempt any poetry at all? Max you can get in P2 then is 130 marks, so the max you can get is 330/400 if you got 100% in paper 1 and both p2 questions...

    Say you lose 60 marks over both papers, for whatever reason - You'd get 270/400 , which is still around 68% overall. You're safe - but you'd have boosted your marks a whole lot by writing less for the other questions and completing poetry also - Say you lose 75 marks (accounting for the extra questions done - 15 marks lost overall in poetry), you end up with 325/400 - 82%


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28 xprincessashx


    rhapsody! wrote: »
    Did anyone hear this? :P
    http://www.dublins98.ie/shows/morning_crew.php#1478

    Scroll down to where it says: We all know the story of the Leaving Cert English 2 paper. I hear Hollywood are interested in making a movie about it. And click play. Made me laugh anyway. Wasn't sure if you heard it already and I'm not bothering going through loads of pages.
    That was brilliant well done :) :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,676 ✭✭✭✭herisson


    rhapsody! wrote: »
    Did anyone hear this? :P
    http://www.dublins98.ie/shows/morning_crew.php#1478

    Scroll down to where it says: We all know the story of the Leaving Cert English 2 paper. I hear Hollywood are interested in making a movie about it. And click play. Made me laugh anyway. Wasn't sure if you heard it already and I'm not bothering going through loads of pages.

    ha ha ha i just listened to it that hilarious :P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭snazzy


    Ahahahahahahhahahhaahahahah
    That's fantastic!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭QueenOfLeon


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    Only did part A1 of the Unseen poetry (the 20 mark one) and didnt do the two 10 ones!

    Be thankful you didn't! :p You only do either the 20-marker or the 2 10 markers. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    Be thankful you didn't! :p You only do either the 20-marker or the 2 10 markers. :D

    LOL - I thought that's common knowledge! Jaysus. Doing an english paper and you can't read ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭aine-maire


    Wow-cannot believe how quickly the fuss died down.

    Mountain,molehill anyone?

    The paper was kinda strange (prescribed poetry, I'm talking to you!)
    But all in all,it was fair. What caught me was time, I always write waay too much for Macbeth (7.5 pages fyi) so I couldn't finish my Bishop essay (only had time to discuss 4 of her poems) and just wrote a very quick personal response to the unseen poem,just read the thing twice and then wrote away!
    Didn't get a chance to read back over the paper,but hopefully it went ok :)

    And I don't think that they're going to mark it easier because of the 'stress' it caused us. I, for one, was relieved for the extra time to study and four hours wasn't a whole lot from my day. Those who spent hours on the internet lamenting the loss of their saturday/the loss of that 'perfect' paper should have been studying. I'm pretty embarrassing at how us young people (because we are perceived as one entity) completely over-reacted. Many petulantly.

    Was anyone else tempted to write English Paper 3 on their scripts today?!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    aine-maire wrote: »
    I couldn't finish my Bishop essay (only had time to discuss 4 of her poems)

    :eek:

    I've been told from day one by my english teacher - 3 poems is perfect for any essay on poetry. Less than three and you're not showing enough understanding of the poets work, more than 3 and you're not going into enough depth of discussion with each. You ONLY discussed 4? I think you're a bit mad there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭aine-maire


    :eek:

    I've been told from day one by my english teacher - 3 poems is perfect for any essay on poetry. Less than three and you're not showing enough understanding of the poets work, more than 3 and you're not going into enough depth of discussion with each. You ONLY discussed 4? I think you're a bit mad there.



    Seriously?
    Because we'd studied 6 of her poems I thought that I'd have to mention all of them...you have no idea how happy you've just made me!:D

    Not mad...just a bit stressed;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    aine-maire wrote: »
    Seriously?
    Because we'd studied 6 of her poems I thought that I'd have to mention all of them...you have no idea how happy you've just made me!:D

    Not mad...just a bit stressed;)

    Yeah, Seriously! The reason you study more in depth is so you can figure out which you prefer yourself, and draw your own conclusions/comparisons between them. It leaves it a bit more open to diversity than everyone doing the same 3 poems :)

    You'll do fine :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭-ME-


    arthistory wrote: »
    Yeah I had a lovely cultural context prepared but not an ounce of conflict in it but i shoved bits in here and there. where i screwed up was i started talking bout kate in philadelphia here i come and judy in curious incident and they are NOT main characters. but the role of women was in my plan and i didn't knoe what else to do....anyone else write about non main characters???:confused:


    Jesus, didn't even think of that. I assumed you could loosely interpret 'main character' as any character who has a semi- significant role in the text. I talked about people like Madge and Toto's mother for Role of Women. Heh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭moneyman


    I'm the same. I didn't just do the main characters.

    As well as that, I did the conflict question, but I didn't mention conflict all that much in my answer. I mentioned how Gar is frustrated by the lack of social outlets, inability to communicate etc. and this is what causes his desire to leave Ballybeg, would that be OK? The majority of my answer doesn't really deal with conflict, it just deals with cultural differences and similarities eg. religion, social status etc. There are a few references to conflict thrown in, but not alot.

    Am I utterly fecked?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 374 ✭✭Reilly616


    aine-maire wrote: »
    Seriously?
    Because we'd studied 6 of her poems I thought that I'd have to mention all of them...you have no idea how happy you've just made me!:D

    Not mad...just a bit stressed;)

    Lol, yeah, the general rule is write about 4 poems and mention a 5th. Also, you only need to write 4 pages.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    The way it was broken down for us was:

    The ideal essay should be 7-8 paragraphs, and deal with 3 poems.
    1) Opening paragraph, you state the question, your 3 poems, whatever else - Strong opening paragraph is important.
    2+3) Deal with your first poem, relate to question at end of each paragraph. End with a link to poem 2 if possible
    4+5) Deal with second. As above
    6+7) Deal with third poem linking to 2nd somehow
    8) Re-iterate question being asked, make a general statement regarding all 3 poems, conclude your answer. Strong finish is equally as important as opening paragraph.

    That rule worked pretty well throughout the LC course for everyone, and I wrote 4 pages for my Bishop essay following those guidelines... Like I said above - If you're doing 2 paragraphs for each poem, doing 2 is too little, doing over 3 isn't enough to go into depth fully with them all.

    I don't see why you'd mention any extra poems, as that may just lead to the examiner wondering why you mentioned it if you're not discussing it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭Du


    arthistory wrote: »
    Yeah I had a lovely cultural context prepared but not an ounce of conflict in it but i shoved bits in here and there. where i screwed up was i started talking bout kate in philadelphia here i come and judy in curious incident and they are NOT main characters. but the role of women was in my plan and i didn't knoe what else to do....anyone else write about non main characters???:confused:
    you can talk about how the role of women affected the main characters. Implications etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭xOxSinéadxOx


    The Macbeth questions were a bit random. I did the first one and once I got in on it, it was actually grand. I did cultural context for the comparative and the question suited my texts perfectly, that was great! unseen poetry was grand. didn't do the prescribed poetry at all cos I didn't really learn it. I sort of knew longley but he wasn't on it so, was going to attempt walcott, I could think of 2 of his poems but the question was bit WUT?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭xOxSinéadxOx


    ****. was your one in philadelphia called kate? damn I called her catherine :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26 gotabi


    Well thats you ****ed then


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26 gotabi


    The Macbeth questions were a bit random. I did the first one and once I got in on it, it was actually grand. I did cultural context for the comparative and the question suited my texts perfectly, that was great! unseen poetry was grand. didn't do the prescribed poetry at all cos I didn't really learn it. I sort of knew longley but he wasn't on it so, was going to attempt walcott, I could think of 2 of his poems but the question was bit WUT?

    you mean you didnt do prescribed poetry whatsoever??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭xOxSinéadxOx


    gotabi wrote: »
    you mean you didnt do prescribed poetry whatsoever??
    Ha

    yeah. :( 50 marks gone


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭xOxSinéadxOx


    Mr.S wrote: »
    Ah well, its only 12.5%;)

    that's quite a bit though, especially considering I did crap on paper 1 too. hope I don't fail!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭lou91


    gotabi wrote: »
    you mean you didnt do prescribed poetry whatsoever??
    Ha

    Yeah, that's SO funny


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Claypigeon


    "Only 12.5%"? :P Means you've already lost the potential of an A1, not a matter of only or justs. If you did well otherwise you can be confident of a good B still i'd say


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭phic


    Claypigeon wrote: »
    "Only 12.5%"? :P Means you've already lost the potential of an A1, not a matter of only or justs. If you did well otherwise you can be confident of a good B still i'd say

    If she basically didn't do any prescribed poetry, apart from kida doing Longley, doubt she really cares about getting an A1!

    No offense meant to her, she just doesnt seem that bothered!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Claypigeon


    phic wrote: »
    If she basically didn't do any prescribed poetry, apart from kida doing Longley, doubt she really cares about getting an A1!

    No offense meant to her, she just doesnt seem that bothered!

    Truth, but it's easy marks...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭xOxSinéadxOx


    yeah I don't really care, would like to get a C


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Gi joe!


    Thinking back to my cc question is really bothering me:(

    The one with the conflict and interaction with society. I wrote loads about the conflict found, but the thing is, my 3 texts, Philadelphia HIC, Curious Incident and Inside im Dancing featured the main characters having LITTLE interaction with their respective worlds.:confused:

    I just went on about how they were isolated from the societies because of their differences(Michael is disabled and so is marginalised) etc and that Gar refused to interact because of his emotionally stunted upbringing. Only Christopher managed to adapt in his world.

    Reckon I'll be alright? Its just been bugging me cause I'm looking for a B1, maybe even an A and hope I don't achieve because I didn't read the feckin question properly!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭xOxSinéadxOx


    did you do the first or second CC question?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Gi joe!


    did you do the first or second CC question?


    The 1st one that wasn't split into parts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭xOxSinéadxOx


    yeah so did I. ehm I said that chris IS in conflict with his culture cos he doesn't want to interact with the world and he dreams of being an astronaut, and he has that ideal where there's a virus and it kills everyone except him.
    and I said bout Gar that he has the ideal of being known as 'the bachelor' in america, and how that not being married would be weird in his society.
    I just said loads of ****e like that.

    I'd say you're fine cos having little interaction with their worlds does mean that they're in conflict with them really, like I said that Gar is in conflict with his culture, the way men don't show their feelings blah blah blah but he longs for his father to show emotion towards him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Gi joe!


    yeah so did I. ehm I said that chris IS in conflict with his culture cos he doesn't want to interact with the world and he dreams of being an astronaut, and he has that ideal where there's a virus and it kills everyone except him.
    and I said bout Gar that he has the ideal of being known as 'the bachelor' in america, and how that not being married would be weird in his society.
    I just said loads of ****e like that.

    I'd say you're fine cos having little interaction with their worlds does mean that they're in conflict with them really, like I said that Gar is in conflict with his culture, the way men don't show their feelings blah blah blah but he longs for his father to show emotion towards him



    Thats pretty much the jist of what I said too from what I remember! Yeh we'll prob be fine,my comparative will at least better than my previous D grade affairs where I made about 2 links haha!:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Claypigeon


    Gi joe! wrote: »
    Thinking back to my cc question is really bothering me:(

    The one with the conflict and interaction with society. I wrote loads about the conflict found, but the thing is, my 3 texts, Philadelphia HIC, Curious Incident and Inside im Dancing featured the main characters having LITTLE interaction with their respective worlds.:confused:

    I just went on about how they were isolated from the societies because of their differences(Michael is disabled and so is marginalised) etc and that Gar refused to interact because of his emotionally stunted upbringing. Only Christopher managed to adapt in his world.

    Reckon I'll be alright? Its just been bugging me cause I'm looking for a B1, maybe even an A and hope I don't achieve because I didn't read the feckin question properly!

    I have not done some of those texts but as for the "distant" characters and their lack of interaction it only makes for easier contrasting within the answer, in my opinion.

    Whereas Private Gar is in a constant state of upset and inner turmoil when he interacts with certain parts of his culture (particularly the model idea of males as stoic, unfeeling "strong silent men"), the boy from Dead Dog (I have only read Dead Dog myself a few years ago for my own enjoyment, didn't do it for the LC) conflicts with his culture and environment differently; he is scared at some times by it and feels totally alienated by certain emotions (for example the facial expressions mentioned early in the text that he expresses difficulty understanding). He shuts himself off when things go bad - the policeman incident for instance where he "blacks out" and lashes out and iirc hits the policeman.

    He finds it hard to even comprehend what is going on and gets "overloaded" with stimuli from his surroundings. Lots of contrast to be made there but also comparison at least with Gar who has a lot of internal conflicts in sync with those he has with his world. As I said though I did not study Dead Dog critically myself so I don't have anybody elses idea, this would be my PoV or slant on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭xOxSinéadxOx


    Gi joe! wrote: »
    Thats pretty much the jist of what I said too from what I remember! Yeh we'll prob be fine,my comparative will at least better than my previous D grade affairs where I made about 2 links haha!:)

    waaaay go us! seriously though the stuff you said that you said sounds fine


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭leesmom


    thinking back on that paper it was pretty comical the question on the consequences of duncans murder, then it said refer to the play in your answer, i mean wtf?? what else were we going to refer to???:rolleyes:
    its pretty much like something they would stick on a crap mock paper


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Claypigeon


    leesmom wrote: »
    thinking back on that paper it was pretty comical the question on the consequences of duncans murder, then it said refer to the play in your answer, i mean wtf?? what else were we going to refer to???:rolleyes:
    its pretty much like something they would stick on a crap mock paper

    It's always phrased like that, it isn't that funny at any rate. o_ó

    It's to ensure you properly refer to the play using quotes and moments rather than telling the story and ignoring the significance of events in the play rather than just bluffing and not giving any opinions


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