Ganley looking good in Early Tallies

BlitzKrieg

2nd banking crisis caused by libertas failure?

eagle eye

It will be very interesting to see what happens when the dust settles. The guy has said he is finished with Politics. Maybe thats true but I just have a feeling we have not seen the end of this man in politics.
Even if he does leave Libertas right now, he has gained huge exposure over the last year or so. I mean it just wouldn't surprise me if he decides to concentrate on national issues now and run in the next GE. For a lot of people its very hard to give up the limelight.

BlitzKrieg

he could end up playing a media pundit for the next referendum, rather then directly stay involved.

He knows he has shown the charm for it.

Hitman Actual

We called it well here that Ganley would be extremely transfer-unfriendly, picking up only ~14,000 in transfers after the first count, and most of them from MacLochlainn. [Link].

Hitman Actual

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

according to a canvasser I spoke to for the socialist party, they spent 28 000 all together in dublin, cork and louth, compared to 400 000 by caroline simons alone?

Dont know where he got his figure from, but even if she spent only 28 000 herself, she didnt pull in near enough of the vote to have any of it paid back.

Declan must be happy at least that he only has to pay for 2 irish constituencies rather then 3 I guess.

I wont even ask if he has a debt for all the european constituencies

I've been thinking about this. I reckon his biggest reason for bowing out (if indeed he does) is because he's sick of throwing money around and getting no real return from it. Even though his showing in the NW looks relatively respectable, for the amount of money that he probably threw at it (speculation on my part), and in Europe in general, it's a catastrophe for him.

A Primal Nut

poochiem wrote: »

Ganleys in according to tallies on politics.ie

So much for that.:rolleyes:

Why do people take so much heed of exit polls and tallies?

DeVore

Didnt I mention before that politics.ie is connected to Libertas? The guy who runs p.ie is one of their campaign managers afaik. No problem with that but its hardly surprising there would be a lot of "positive thinking" there.

DeV.

Scofflaw

DeVore wrote: »

Didnt I mention before that politics.ie is connected to Libertas? The guy who runs p.ie is one of their campaign managers afaik. No problem with that but its hardly surprising there would be a lot of "positive thinking" there.

DeV.

There doesn't appear to be very much of that today.

cordially,
Scofflaw

The Corinthian

Scofflaw wrote: »

There doesn't appear to be very much of that today.

Busy updating their CV's, I'd imagine...

Scofflaw

The Corinthian wrote: »

Busy updating their CV's, I'd imagine...

December 2007 - June 2009 Worked in the PR department of a multinational communications company.

cordially,
Scofflaw

The Corinthian

In fairness to Ganley, if nothing else, he did shake up a rather complacent government where it came to the EU.

It was obvious that the government had made absolutely no effort on the Lisbon treaty referendum, and most of the posters around were cynical attempts to cash in on the Yes campaign fund, so as to get a few pictures of yourself (as a politician) with an almost invisible 'Yes' in the corner. All they were expecting was the usual collection of chucky and sticky malcontents to oppose it.

Libertas ran their campaign as a well organized, ruthless business venture and I would be very surprised if those involved in it will not become very sought after in terms of employment. Of course, ignoring their motivations and alleged links/backers, being a ruthless business venture was also their downfall. Business and politics are not the same thing, and if you try doing politics the same way you run a business you're just handing ammo to your opponents.

Mr Benevolent

DeVore wrote: »

Didnt I mention before that politics.ie is connected to Libertas? The guy who runs p.ie is one of their campaign managers afaik. No problem with that but its hardly surprising there would be a lot of "positive thinking" there.

DeV.

True, and I'm going to have words with him when we next meet (unfortunately he's my cousin). Trying to sic that power-hungry anti-EU egomaniac on us was intolerable.

Daroxtar

K-9 wrote: »

There really is only 2 parties in the NW constituency, so I wouldn't really go with the 3rd party point. Connaught/Ulster always had a strong Euro sceptic and protest vote, which is probably the reason Ganley chose this constituency. It will just move to somebody else next, it isn't a loyal group!

The people over here were stupid enough to elect Dana FFS. He was banking on stupidity. He must have forgotten what happened when she ran for a second term after the people had been informed of her dubious God Squad backing

Daroxtar

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

he could end up playing a media pundit for the next referendum, rather then directly stay involved.

He knows he has shown the charm smarm for it.

FYP

The Corinthian

Hitman Actual wrote: »

We called it well here that Ganley would be extremely transfer-unfriendly, picking up only ~14,000 in transfers after the first count, and most of them from MacLochlainn. [Link].

Looking at this, he got screwed with the Labour transfers that he was banking on at least 40% going to him. After that, it was all over, TBH.

P. Breathnach

DeVore wrote: »

Didnt I mention before that politics.ie is connected to Libertas? The guy who runs p.ie is one of their campaign managers afaik. No problem with that but its hardly surprising there would be a lot of "positive thinking" there.

But what, if anything, was the point in creating those false tally reports after the votes were sorted but before the count was started? It seemed to a bit more organised than an outbreak of wishful thinking.

Villain

P. Breathnach wrote: »

But what, if anything, was the point in creating those false tally reports after the votes were sorted but before the count was started? It seemed to a bit more organised than an outbreak of wishful thinking.

I think some Euro Countries may have still been voting so he was probably hoping to generate some good news for Libertas

Rabble

Keano A Legend wrote: »

Quote from Ganley above!

As a political n00b, I ask why oh why did the contest the first referendum so??

The really great news is of course that the 2nd referendum will now go through on the nod.

There will not be a well funded No campaign so at least the great unwashed wont have any confusion in their silly little heads when they go to vote.

Establishment 1 Mavericks 0.

cornbb

Rabble wrote: »

The really great news is of course that the 2nd referendum will now go through on the nod.

There will not be a well funded No campaign so at least the great unwashed wont have any confusion in their silly little heads when they go to vote.

Establishment 1 Mavericks 0.

If by "mavericks" you mean "those more willing to listen to Ganley's lies rather than discover the facts for themselves" then I think this is very positive news.

Hitman Actual

P. Breathnach wrote: »

But what, if anything, was the point in creating those false tally reports after the votes were sorted but before the count was started? It seemed to a bit more organised than an outbreak of wishful thinking.

WooPeeA gave me a good response when I asked the same thing here. So a lot of it was political bluster on the part of the Libertas tally-men (especially as polling was still ongoing in Europe, as Villain says). Also, from reading P.ie, it appears that the Libertas tallymen were inexperienced and were just not very good at reading the trends.

Another guy on P.ie got ridiculed for his tallies, which Scofflaw posted here. He was much more accurate with his tallies throughout the polls, but apparently he get negative-repped on P.ie!

Rabble

cornbb wrote: »

If by "mavericks" you mean "those more willing to listen to Ganley's lies rather than discover the facts for themselves" then I think this is very positive news.

I was referring to Ganley and his crew - if we were to wait for the general public to discover facts for themselves they would have to cancel Big Brother and all GAA matches for six months and even then ...

Ganley was able to use his money to propogate soundbite lies about Lisbon which of course many people swallowed. As he found out its not so easy in an election campaign with people voting on many issues.

The Govt and established parties didnt have good enough soundbite lies during the last referendum but even they should be able to manage it this time around!

ShooterSF

Rabble wrote: »

I was referring to Ganley and his crew - if we were to wait for the general public to discover facts for themselves they would have to cancel Big Brother and all GAA matches for six months and even then ...

Ganley was able to use his money to propogate soundbite lies about Lisbon which of course many people swallowed. As he found out its not so easy in an election campaign with people voting on many issues.

The Govt and established parties didnt have good enough soundbite lies during the last referendum but even they should be able to manage it this time around!

You of course would be equally outraged if the pro Lisbon parties adapted scaremongering tactics on a second run (Again)? Or does your outrage only extend to the people supporting the no campaign?

cornbb

Rabble wrote: »

I was referring to Ganley and his crew - if we were to wait for the general public to discover facts for themselves they would have to cancel Big Brother and all GAA matches for six months and even then ...

Ganley was able to use his money to propogate soundbite lies about Lisbon which of course many people swallowed. As he found out its not so easy in an election campaign with people voting on many issues.

The Govt and established parties didnt have good enough soundbite lies during the last referendum but even they should be able to manage it this time around!

Apologies, I misunderstood you.

Thats the problem with a referendum on something like the Lisbon treaty. Something like abortion or divorce is clear-cut and simple by comparison. Its impossible to write an international treaty that is easily digested by Joe Soap. So unfortunately many of the more gullible and excitable members of society are left open to believing whatever the likes of Ganley tell them. Just throwing the words "Brussels" or "beaurocrat" around is incredibly effective at making people forget that the treaty was democratically negotiated by people from all over Europe.

Then the Yes side are left wavering between the options of trying to present the Treaty in a positive yet honest light (difficult given its complexity) or aggressively fighting back with simplistic soundbites/half truths of its own. Unfortunately they didn't do either of these things very well during the last campaign.

Dinner

ShooterSF wrote: »

You of course would be equally outraged if the pro Lisbon parties adapted scaremongering tactics on a second run (Again)? Or does your outrage only extend to the people supporting the no campaign?

I'd be pretty pissed off if the yes side started lieing to get a Yes vote. I also don't think it's right that some people voted yes just because FF told them too. Scaremongering isn't the way to go either. But the scale of scaremongering on the No side was far greater than on the Yes side.

ShooterSF

Dinner wrote: »

I'd be pretty pissed off if the yes side started lieing to get a Yes vote. I also don't think it's right that some people voted yes just because FF told them too. Scaremongering isn't the way to go either. But the scale of scaremongering on the No side was far greater than on the Yes side.

That's a fair comment. I don't remember either side coming out well. Any of the actual pro lisbon discussion I read was here because all FF and co were doing was putting out vague pro europe comments with nothing to do with the treaty.

K-9

ShooterSF wrote: »

That's a fair comment. I don't remember either side coming out well. Any of the actual pro lisbon discussion I read was here because all FF and co were doing was putting out vague pro europe comments with nothing to do with the treaty.

Or having to defend extremely negative spin and lies from Libertas, Coir and to a lesser extent SF.

At least one of them is gone for Lisbon 2.

Rabble

ShooterSF wrote: »

You of course would be equally outraged if the pro Lisbon parties adapted scaremongering tactics on a second run (Again)? Or does your outrage only extend to the people supporting the no campaign?

Fair question - I'm not outraged more resigned to the fact that lies and scaremongering was used on both sides. The fact that we are having a second referendum because Europe demands it is outrageous.

Scofflaw

ShooterSF wrote: »

That's a fair comment. I don't remember either side coming out well. Any of the actual pro lisbon discussion I read was here because all FF and co were doing was putting out vague pro europe comments with nothing to do with the treaty.

They were dire. I don't know who advised them, but they could have got better messages for free here.

cordially,
Scofflaw

ionix5891

Rabble wrote: »

Fair question - I'm not outraged more resigned to the fact that lies and scaremongering was used on both sides. The fact that we are having a second referendum because Europe demands it is outrageous.

our constitution demands it

do you not agree with our constitution?

:cool:

Rabble

ionix5891 wrote: »

our constitution demands it

do you not agree with our constitution?

:cool:

Our constitution demanded a referendum - where in the constitution does it say we have to keep having referenda until we get the result that the establishment wants?