Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

The hate for Obama

Options
1…910121415…17

Comments

  • Options
    #332
    JohnMc1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    imokyrok wrote: »
    That's is exactly the kind of nonsense he should be ignoring. Dictator, kenyan birth certs, death panels, socialists - I mean why pander to the lowest common demoninator. Don't give them time to make up their foolish lies or at least not to spread them . He needs to go for the "wham, bam thank you mam " approach.

    Your Intelligence is truly breathtaking. :rolleyes: If he tried the "Wham,bam thank you ma'am" approach the people would make sure he is "One and done"


  • Options
    #333
    imokyrok
    Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭imokyrok


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    Your Intelligence is truly breathtaking. :rolleyes: If he tried the "Wham,bam thank you ma'am" approach the people would make sure he is "One and done"

    Look try some logic for a change instead of hannity soundbites. He won. He has the people behind him. Those who voted for him want him to do what he said he would do. Then they will vote for him again. Trying to appease a bunch of conservative pseudochristian fruitcakes is a waste of time - they are never going to vote for him anyway.


  • Options
    #334
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,319 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    imokyrok wrote: »
    I don't understand why Obama doesn't just get on with the job he was elected for, bring in exactly the healthcare programme he wants and tell all those moronic birther/death panel nutjobs and their puppetmasters to go f**k themselves.
    Friend HEllo, and welcome to Washington DC:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ


  • Options
    #335
    JohnMc1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    imokyrok wrote: »
    Look try some logic for a change instead of hannity soundbites.

    Practice what you preach. You sound like an Olbermann, Garafallo clone.

    He won. He has the people behind him.

    You might want to check his approval ratings. They are sinking.
    Those who voted for him want him to do what he said he would do. Then they will vote for him again.

    His campaign promises and his actual Presidential agenda are two different things. One is alot more radical than the other.

    Trying to appease a bunch of conservative pseudochristian fruitcakes is a waste of time - they are never going to vote for him anyway.

    You might want to check the voting breakdown. The majority of his votes came from Christians. Learn some facts before mouthing off again.


  • Options
    #336
    imokyrok
    Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭imokyrok


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    Practice what you preach. You sound like an Olbermann, Garafallo clone.




    You might want to check his approval ratings. They are sinking.



    His campaign promises and his actual Presidential agenda are two different things. One is alot more radical than the other.


    You might want to check the voting breakdown. The majority of his votes came from Christians. Learn some facts before mouthing off again.

    Olbermann eh - someone with a brain - he'll do.

    Of course his approval ratings are sinking - sheer frustration! My approval is sinking too. He hasn't got time for this arsing around he's only got 3 and a half years left to clean up the everest sized heap of dogdoo left by Bush - he needs to get on with it.

    I said pseudochristians - you know - the ones who forgot about the camel and the eye of the needle bit.

    On his campaign he promised healthcare for all - now he needs to get on and deliver it and get on to the next cleanup operation. Half of the US and most of the rest of the world is waiting.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #337
    JohnMc1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    imokyrok wrote: »
    Olbermann eh - someone with a brain - he'll do.

    Somehow I'm not surprised you like him.
    Of course his approval ratings are sinking - sheer frustration!

    He done nothing but pile on to the defecit by out of control spending and just rushing through bills like the Stimulus and attempting to like Healthcare.Plus he put numerous generations of Americans on the hook for this.

    He hasn't got time for this arsing around he's only got 3 and a half years left to clean up the everest sized heap of dogdoo left by Bush - he needs to get on with it.

    Obama currently is responsible for more of the debt than Bush is.
    I said pseudochristians - you know - the ones who forgot about the camel and the eye of the needle bit.

    I have no idea where you are going with this other than a very very thinly veiled attack on Christians.
    On his campaign he promised healthcare for all - now he needs to get on and deliver it and get on to the next cleanup operation. Half of the US and most of the rest of the world is waiting.

    He needs to realize in this deep recession adding to it is not a good idea. The tax and spend mantra of the Democrats is not working it is only making things worse. Obama's only responsible to America. Not Canada, Europe, or anywhere else. Let them solve their own problems.


  • Options
    #338
    imokyrok
    Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭imokyrok


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    Somehow I'm not surprised you like him.



    He done nothing but pile on to the defecit by out of control spending and just rushing through bills like the Stimulus and attempting to like Healthcare.Plus he put numerous generations of Americans on the hook for this.




    Obama currently is responsible for more of the debt than Bush is.



    I have no idea where you are going with this other than a very very thinly veiled attack on Christians.



    He needs to realize in this deep recession adding to it is not a good idea. The tax and spend mantra of the Democrats is not working it is only making things worse. Obama's only responsible to America. Not Canada, Europe, or anywhere else. Let them solve their own problems.

    Bushs policies created the debt. Obama has the misfortune to take over just after the bill came due.

    I'm being entirely clear on pseudochristians . I quite like the cuddly love thy neighbour ones even if they believe in foolish myths but the spit in the eye of the poor,the gay, the black evolution denying material loving money grubbers -ie the ones who vote GOP -not my favourite people.

    The US doesn't exist on it's own solo planet however much some of us might wish it did. What happens there effects the rest of the world. The regimes they support and the ones they undermine effect the rest of the world. The people they massacre effect the rest of the world. Their economy effects the rest of the world.


  • Options
    #339
    JohnMc1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    imokyrok wrote: »
    Bushs policies created the debt. Obama has the misfortune to take over just after the bill came due.

    Oh you mean those same ones that Obama is continuing?
    I'm being entirely clear on pseudochristians . I quite like the cuddly love thy neighbour ones even if they believe in foolish myths but the spit in the eye of the poor,the gay, the black evolution denying material loving money grubbers -ie the ones who vote GOP -not my favourite people.

    How non-judgemental and tolerant of you.:rolleyes:
    The US doesn't exist on it's own solo planet however much some of us might wish it did. What happens there effects the rest of the world. The regimes they support and the ones they undermine effect the rest of the world. The people they massacre effect the rest of the world. Their economy effects the rest of the world.

    Oh. Now you're accussing the Bush admin of genocide. :rolleyes:


  • Options
    #340
    imokyrok
    Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭imokyrok


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    Oh you mean those same ones that Obama is continuing?



    How non-judgemental and tolerant of you.:rolleyes:



    Oh. Now you're accussing the Bush admin of genocide. :rolleyes:

    What would you call killing a million plus Iraqis - oh I know "collateral damage".


  • Options
    #341
    JohnMc1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    imokyrok wrote: »
    What would you call killing a million plus Iraqis - oh I know "collateral damage".

    How cute of you to dodge every other point. :rolleyes:


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #342
    imokyrok
    Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭imokyrok


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    How cute of you to dodge every other point. :rolleyes:

    You had a point! Now why didn't you say so. I'll dig out my magnifying glass and see if I can find it.


  • Options
    #343
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,319 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    jank wrote: »
    Tell me again, why are the USA in Iraq?



    See there is this thing called a deficit that all of sudden wasnt a problem before january 2009 now its the death clock of America.... Go figure!

    Bush's plan, cut taxes, raise spending and start 2 wars that have cost Trillions of dollars! See NOW you have to pay for it but Obama gets the blame. Hmmm maybe Bush was kinda smart after all....:pac:

    auw7rfzmnovul-full.gif

    The deficit was Bush's doing, Obama is trying to turn around the economy with one hand behind his back. Its an awkward position to be in.
    Sorry but the huge hole in the budget is the fault of the guy from Texas
    I just Heart how your prettyful chart fails to stretch back far enough to include WWII. I'm just curious.

    No, its not that Obama is trying to rebalance the books, He's trying to say "Well **** it, we already have 11 trillion dollars Red on the books. Hey Hilldog, you think anyone would bat an eyelid if I added 2 trillion for a new healthcare plan we cant afford?"

    *Checks the books*

    Cost of Wars since 2001: $900 billion.

    So to be honest Jank, I don't think you know what you're talking about.
    imokyrok wrote: »
    What would you call killing a million plus Iraqis - oh I know "collateral damage".
    Not genocide.

    This is Genocide

    This is Genocide

    This is Genocide

    Even This is Genocide

    What happened to the Iraqi people - particularly during the Bombing - was tragic and frightening. But I honestly do not believe it to be Genocide.


  • Options
    #344
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    JohnMc1 wrote: »


    Oh. Now you're accussing the Bush admin of genocide. :rolleyes:

    Thats a pretty big leap even for you JohnMC1


  • Options
    #345
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,319 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    jank wrote: »
    Thats a pretty big leap even for you JohnMC1
    Not really, given Imokyrok basically agreed,
    imokyrok wrote: »
    JohnMc1 wrote: »


    Oh. Now you're accussing the Bush admin of genocide.

    What would you call killing a million plus Iraqis - oh I know "collateral damage".


  • Options
    #346
    imokyrok
    Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭imokyrok


    I used the word massacre. He used genocide. semantics. A shi*tload of dead innocent civilians.


  • Options
    #347
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,405 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Most of those Iraqis (And I query the one million number) were killed by other Iraqis. I don't think that's anything other than a civil strife. 'Genoncide' has a pretty specific definition.

    NTM


  • Options
    #348
    imokyrok
    Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭imokyrok


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    Most of those Iraqis (And I query the one million number) were killed by other Iraqis. I don't think that's anything other than a civil strife. 'Genoncide' has a pretty specific definition.

    NTM

    Since this is moving very of topic I'll let you google for yourself. Here's one link you might like to start with.

    http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/1-over-one-million-iraqi-deaths-caused-by-us-occupation/

    None so blind as those who will not see.


  • Options
    #349
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,405 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    As, as you say, this is going off-topic, I'm not going to voice my objections to the figure and associated article, other than to say that I have...concerns.

    NTM


  • Options
    #350
    JohnMc1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    Most of those Iraqis (And I query the one million number) were killed by other Iraqis. I don't think that's anything other than a civil strife. 'Genoncide' has a pretty specific definition.

    NTM

    You should realize by now that for people like imokyrok that's an incovenient truth.


  • Options
    #351
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,319 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I also wonder if those figures aren't inflated - either from Missing or Presumed Dead, most of which could very well be refugee's which have not been accounted for. They might not be dead at all.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #352
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    There are in fact no truly reliable figures on the subject. A rough minimum of 100,000 and an extreme high of over 800,000 have been cited, the truth falling somewhere between the two stools.

    However, 5,000 would have been too many, in an unessecary war.


  • Options
    #353
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,319 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Do you really have to add that blase level of spin?

    Its a War.


  • Options
    #354
    LostinKildare
    Registered Users Posts: 990 ✭✭✭LostinKildare


    Overheal wrote: »
    Do you really have to add that blase level of spin?

    Its a War.

    Do you not think it's relevant whether or not a war is justified?


  • Options
    #355
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,319 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    LostinKildare wrote: »
    Do you not think it's relevant whether or not a war is justified?
    To this discussion?

    No.

    Next question.


  • Options
    #356
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Overheal wrote: »
    Do you really have to add that blase level of spin?.

    Its fact, not "spin".
    Overheal wrote: »
    Its a War.

    Well, more of a beating up. The actual State V State part of it was fairly much what could be expected when a superpower decided to beat the crap out of a second/third world state. It actually only developed into something vaguely resembling a two sided conflict when non-state actors emerged.

    And yes, it was unnessecary.


  • Options
    #357
    imokyrok
    Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭imokyrok


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    You should realize by now that for people like imokyrok that's an incovenient truth.

    You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the ass. Typical Fox News Might is Right attitude.

    "Schwartz suggests that if a low pro rata share of half the unattributed deaths were caused by US forces, a total of approximately 80 percent of Iraqi deaths are directly US perpetrated."

    http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/1-over-one-million-iraqi-deaths-caused-by-us-occupation/


  • Options
    #358
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    General handbag warning - specific baiting warning to JohnMc1.

    moderately,
    Scofflaw


  • Options
    #359
    JohnMc1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    Scofflaw wrote: »
    General handbag warning - specific baiting warning to JohnMc1.

    moderately,
    Scofflaw

    :rolleyes:


  • Options
    #360
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,319 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Cant we all just get along while we beat the ideological pulp out of eachother?


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #361
    JohnMc1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    Overheal wrote: »
    Cant we all just get along while we beat the ideological pulp out of eachother?

    You kidding. imokyrok is doing the baiting and I'm the one getting warned. :rolleyes:


Advertisement