The hate for Obama

tlev

worldrepublic wrote: »

All lies and "conspiracy theories". Obama has so delivered on his promises of hope, and change. He is also under pressure fighting the War on Terror. Now he even has a major problem in Pakistan. Luckily the Nobel Prize winner Henry Kissinger has met up with Obama and they discussed the Nuclear aspect of the move against Pakistan. All he is doing is trying to bring more change and hope to the poor parts of the world and to endure that oil is traded fairly and that Al Qaeda types like Sadam Hussain and Pakistan do not interfere with the project of getting oil to everyone who need it, especially to Europe and the USA so as to maintain stability in the world.

How do you measure 'hope' if it is by popularity then people don't seem too 'hopeful'. Yes Obama is great and all but the world shouldn't pin all their 'hopes' on him. I personally respect him and admire him and we shall see what he has accomplished when his term comes to an end in 3 1/2 years. It is still too early to make concrete judgements.

And why is anything negative, I mean anything negative at all about Obama a conspiracy theory. Yes there are some silly ones out there like he isn't a US citizen but if someone has a genuine criticism about the way he does things that person isn't being a conspiracy theorist, he/she may just disagree with what is being done. By painting everyone as conspiracy theorist you can just blindly go along with anything. Makes things easier doesn't it?

Saddam Hussien is dead, he isn't interfering with the oil trade anywhere. As for Al-Queda...no comment. However there is a cartel on oil, its called OPEC, look it up. Oil will never be 'traded fairly' we have to deal with that fact and short of actually taking the oil from OPEC (oh wait the US already did that in Iraq) we have to accept this fact. Trust me, the US will not 'share' their oil with anyone, if we want it, we will have to buy it.

If we want people to like us more, as in the Western World, we have to stop acting like World Police and interfering everywhere because we have bigger guns then them and know what is best for the people.

worldrepublic

The point I made is that Obama is fighting the War on Terror and terrorism and the War on Terror kepps getting bigger. so he also has a lot of work to do trying to hunt down Al Qaeda. Osama Bin Ladin is still out there so Obama is trying to find him in Pakistan. This is actually very smart of him because we can then build pipe-lines through Afganistan/Pakistan and make sure the oil gets to Europe and the USA to keep the world stable. And on top of all that progress he is doing wonders and bringing hope to everyone. Even school children can now enlist in what he calls a civilian force, which can serve to monitor the crazy conspiracy types.

All these bad things people are saying about him are just propaganda. Don't buy into the lies or be infected with subtle racism. We all need to get behind the program for change.

tlev

worldrepublic wrote: »

The point I made is that Obama is fighting the War on Terror and terrorism and the War on Terror kepps getting bigger. so he also has a lot of work to do trying to hunt down Al Qaeda. Osama Bin Ladin is still out there so Obama is trying to find him in Pakistan. This is actually very smart of him because we can then build pipe-lines through Afganistan/Pakistan and make sure the oil gets to Europe and the USA to keep the world stable. And on top of all that progress he is doing wonders and bringing hope to everyone. Even school children can now enlist in what he calls a civilian force, which can serve to monitor the crazy conspiracy types.

All these bad things people are saying about him are just propaganda. Don't buy into the lies or be infected with subtle racism. We all need to get behind the program for change.

What bad things? That he isn't popular in America at the moment? That's not because he is black but because he is pushing through an unpopular and unfeasible health care reform which the people don't want. You can't win every arguement of yours by saying that anything negative is racist or anti-sematic. That isn't how this works.
At the same time your devout Obama praising can also be called propaganda.

Oh and the last time children could 'enlist' in a civilian force was in Communist Russia and other states, and Nazi Germany. They both worked out great. :rolleyes:

All this talk of monitoring the 'crazy people' harkens back to a time in eastern Europe when people didn't trust eachother and were afraid the secret police would get them. Everyone was afraid of talking to anyone about anything for fear of being monitored.

is_that_so

worldrepublic wrote: »

The point I made is that Obama is fighting the War on Terror and terrorism and the War on Terror kepps getting bigger. so he also has a lot of work to do trying to hunt down Al Qaeda. Osama Bin Ladin is still out there so Obama is trying to find him in Pakistan. This is actually very smart of him because we can then build pipe-lines through Afganistan/Pakistan and make sure the oil gets to Europe and the USA to keep the world stable. And on top of all that progress he is doing wonders and bringing hope to everyone. Even school children can now enlist in what he calls a civilian force, which can serve to monitor the crazy conspiracy types.

All these bad things people are saying about him are just propaganda. Don't buy into the lies or be infected with subtle racism. We all need to get behind the program for change.

Isn't this just your very own conspiracy theory?

irish_bob

i think hes fighting a loosing battle with his health care plan , rightly or wrongly , americans dont believe in socilised medicine , they believe in working hard for your money and using that heard earned money to buy the best which includes healthcare which is the best in the world for those that can afford it , they believe if you cant afford healthcare , you are simply not working hard enough , its a very tough , black and white view but its the american way

worldrepublic

irish_bob wrote: »

i think hes fighting a loosing battle with his health care plan , rightly or wrongly , americans dont believe in socilised medicine , they believe in working hard for your money and using that heard earned money to buy the best which includes healthcare which is the best in the world for those that can afford it , they believe if you cant afford healthcare , you are simply not working hard enough , its a very tough , black and white view but its the american way

Only the Republicans are spreading these lies. All democrats support Obama, hope and change, and the health-care thing.

All the lies about him are all based on Racism and comes from groups that have been infiltrated by Al Quaeda (VERY sophisticated terrorist network).

tlev

worldrepublic wrote: »

Only the Republicans are spreading these lies. All democrats support Obama, hope and change, and the health-care thing.

All the lies about him are all based on Racism and comes from groups that have been infiltrated by Al Quaeda (VERY sophisticated terrorist network).

Actually it was his own democrat constituency who shot down the healthcare reform in congress. They didn't think it was feasible. So not full support there...

Manic Moran

I read worldrepublic's post as having sarcasm dripping off most every word.

NTM

Overheal

tlev wrote: »

Actually it was his own democrat constituency who shot down the healthcare reform in congress. They didn't think it was feasible. So not full support there...

The socalled Blue Dog Democrats, or something like that.

tlev

Overheal wrote: »

The socalled Blue Dog Democrats, or something like that.

Does it really matter? They are members of his party and he couldn't get full support from them. The only one that is pushing this thing is Obama. Good for him that he believes this is right but the majority don't. It has nothing to do with lies or race, it is a an unpopular policy in the eyes of the people and they don't want the president who happens to be black to put it in place. It would be the same story if it was Bush or Clinton or anyone else. These arguements show exactly how narrow minded some people are.

Person 1: This healthcare reform is unfeasible
Person 2: You just think so because Obama is black
Person 1: *facepalm

And as for Al Queda infiltrating all these groups...really? Do you actually see terrorists everywhere you look? Watch out, there might be some in your local parish...

irish_bob

this health plan will cost in or around the same as the iraq war has cost to date , americans see healthcare for all as more of a waste as a war started on a false premises and while a certain number of people marched against this war , they were a small minority , thier is much greater opposition in middle american to this health plan , as i said earlier , rightly or wrongly , its the american way

Overheal

tlev wrote: »

Does it really matter? They are members of his party and he couldn't get full support from them.

GOOD!

That means theres still hope for us. And by that, I mean this country was built on the ideals of a one/non-party system. Its about ****ing time all our reps and senators werent sheeple for the party line. Whichever party you sat for: theyre both guilty. Free Thinking Leaders. Thats what I want.

banquo

Weren't the founders aware that, like in Rome, a two party system would eventually emerge? And didn't they think that the wisest, best-spoken folk would be in the minority and thus the right people would hold the balance of power? I'm pretty sure I read that in one of my political history books.

worldrepublic

banquo wrote: »

Weren't the founders aware that, like in Rome, a two party system would eventually emerge? And didn't they think that the wisest, best-spoken folk would be in the minority and thus the right people would hold the balance of power? I'm pretty sure I read that in one of my political history books.

Honey bunny, I hate to question your cozy world-view, but 1% of the world's population controls 40% of the world's wealth. Something is very wrong. People who question the establishment line should be encouraged. As for appealing to the wisdom of history books.... have you ever heard of revisionism?

Overheal

worldrepublic wrote: »

The point I made is that Obama is fighting the War on Terror and terrorism and the War on Terror kepps getting bigger. so he also has a lot of work to do trying to hunt down Al Qaeda. Osama Bin Ladin is still out there so Obama is trying to find him in Pakistan. This is actually very smart of him because we can then build pipe-lines through Afganistan/Pakistan and make sure the oil gets to Europe and the USA to keep the world stable. And on top of all that progress he is doing wonders and bringing hope to everyone. Even school children can now enlist in what he calls a civilian force, which can serve to monitor the crazy conspiracy types.

All these bad things people are saying about him are just propaganda. Don't buy into the lies or be infected with subtle racism. We all need to get behind the program for change.

I cant tell whether youre being sarcastic or not.

And if George Dubya wanted to go into Pakistan to chase Al Quaeda, I suspect you wouldnt feel at all the same way.

jonny72

tlev wrote: »

What bad things? That he isn't popular in America at the moment? That's not because he is black but because he is pushing through an unpopular and unfeasible health care reform which the people don't want. You can't win every arguement of yours by saying that anything negative is racist or anti-sematic. That isn't how this works.
At the same time your devout Obama praising can also be called propaganda.

Oh and the last time children could 'enlist' in a civilian force was in Communist Russia and other states, and Nazi Germany. They both worked out great. :rolleyes:

All this talk of monitoring the 'crazy people' harkens back to a time in eastern Europe when people didn't trust eachother and were afraid the secret police would get them. Everyone was afraid of talking to anyone about anything for fear of being monitored.

Okay, disregarding the freak rightwingers who will hate the president no matter what he does. I still don't understand what the more normal rightwing have against nationalised healthcare? I mean all of the countries with the best standards of living in the world seem to have it. Sweden, Denmark, Norway, etc aren't exactly hellholes of socialism.

Its just getting so ridiculous at this point.

Why are so many, if not almost all non-American journalists NOT critical of Obama? The answer the Right seems to give is that all, I mean ALL these people think he is the 'Messiah', that its because they think he walks on water.. I've seen intelligent Republican supporters actually give this as a reason.. incredible.

Or even better, that all media has a left wing bias (except Fox News). I swear this is true, its even used in arguments.

When did this amount of stupid enter the world's superpower??

CPT. SURF

jonny72 wrote: »

Or even better, that all media has a left wing bias (except Fox News). I swear this is true, its even used in arguments.

When did this amount of stupid enter the world's superpower??

Someone in my Facebook recently referred to CNN as Communist News Network. This person has a degree. I'm telling you, you would not believe what people actually think.

orourkeda

At the time of his election I felt that his record as a public representative did not warrant his election to the worlds most powerful political post. He has done nothing in the intervening period to quell my concerns.

worldrepublic

It is not racism to say that Obama is just the same as any other politician -untrustworthy, period.

The healthcare scenarios are:

1.
The new policy will benefit the poor and the sick... and stop those greedy doctors and corporations once and for all.... go Obama!

2.
You pay for socialised health-care (or whatever you care to term it). Then, you have the option (at least in the medium term) of retaining you current scheme, or seeking private healthcare... but here's the catch: it's not paying for one or the other, it's a 'choice' to pay for both. So, even more money out of the average worker's pockets.

I mean come on, Obama had one of the slickest and best financed election campaigns in the history of Washington. Why? Because he is such a caring and loving guy? Or because Wall Street interests are being served?

And remember if America gets a cold, the rest of the world get pneumonia! If they get pneumonia, what will happen to the rest of the world?

worldrepublic

CPT. SURF wrote: »

Someone in my Facebook recently referred to CNN as Communist News Network. This person has a degree. I'm telling you, you would not believe what people actually think.

I have an M.A. (First Hons) . I agree with the above, and would also say that BBC stands for 'British Brainwashing Corporation'.

Basically, years of education and working for three different banks have thought me that we are surrounded by bull****. Is this so hard to believe.

On another note my uncle is fond of saying that with all these educated people there won't be enough uneducated people left to employ them :pac:!! He also agrees with your facebook friend: we are living in a world that surrounds the unsuspecting public with bull****. Believing in 'hope' and 'change' requires a 'suspension of disbelief' on the part of the average person, just like when they encounter other fictional narratives, or enjoy a good movie!

tlev

worldrepublic wrote: »

Believing in 'hope' and 'change' requires a 'suspension of disbelief' on the part of the average person, just like when they encounter other fictional narratives, or enjoy a good movie!

But you talk about 'hope and change' as though it were air...its all you talk about and how much people need it and to crush the al queda of course.

orourkeda

Barack Obama is a sham. I still find it difficult to believe that the American public have allowed themselves to be hoodwinked to such an extent.

JohnMc1

orourkeda wrote: »

Barack Obama is a sham. I still find it difficult to believe that the American public have allowed themselves to be hoodwinked to such an extent.

It is sad. And its also sad how peole from Ireland have fallen for the sham as well.

orourkeda

JohnMc1 wrote: »

It is sad. And its also sad how peole from Ireland have fallen for the sham as well.

Indeed. The pre inauguration hype was never going to be fulfilled.

tolosenc

Great on the campaign trail, I'll give him that. Not exactly great at being president, though...

JohnMc1

orourkeda wrote: »

Indeed. The pre inauguration hype was never going going to be fulfilled.

Agreed. They put him on such a high pedestal that the only place he can go is down. People really fell hard for his buzz word fest campaign.

Toulousain wrote:

Great on the campaign trail, I'll give him that. Not exactly great at being president, though...

Agreed. He's trying to push too many things down the citizens throats that people will [if they haven't already] turn on him. When Pres. Bush start debriefing Obama immediately after the election he should have realized what he would be able to do and not be able to do. The Obama administration has been full arrogance that its disgusting.

orourkeda

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Agreed. They put him on such a high pedestal that the only place he can go is down. People really fell hard for his buzz word fest campaign.



Agreed. He's trying to push too many things down the citizens throats that people will [if they haven't already] turn on him. When Pres. Bush start debriefing Obama immediately after the election he should have realized what he would be able to do and not be able to do. The Obama administration has been full arrogance that its disgusting.

They are beginning to turn on him if the polls are anything to go by. You put it very well when you say his campaign was something of a buzzword fest. When it all comes down to it actions will always speak louder than words.

JohnMc1

orourkeda wrote: »

They are beginning to turn on him if the polls are anything to go by. You put it very well when you say his campaign was something of a buzzword fest. When it all comes down to it actions will always speak louder than words.

When you really look at his campaign speeches they were just "feel good" buzzwords like "Hope", "Change", "Transparancy", "Openess", "Honesty". All style and no substance.

jank

Better than electing a 72 year old man who was 8 years too late.

JohnMc1

jank wrote: »

Better than electing a 72 year old man who was 8 years too late.

yeah because Obama doubling the deficit [and will add more to it] was a better alternative than McCain. Yep can't fault that logic. :rolleyes: