UK Independence Party

sink

conchubhar1 wrote: »

meh, i dunno i presume they had to do something in exchange for it

The Swiss have to implement all EU directives pertaining to the common market and they don't get a say in their formulation. They are what has been termed a 'fax democracy', Brussels faxes directives to the Swiss and they implement them without question. If the Swiss decide not to implement directives their only option left is to leave the common market.

How that is a better situation to our own, when we actually have influence over the formulation and implementation of directives, is beyond me. But as is so common in this life it appears the people are more content with the illusion of sovereignty than the delusional fear of losing it by sitting at the decision making table.

conchubhar1

it is not better - who stated it was?

conchubhar1

sink wrote: »

But as is so common in this life it appears the people are more content with the illusion of sovereignty than the delusional fear of losing it by sitting at the decision making table.

''illusion of soverignty''

''more content''

hhm (the sound - if you dont know what that means, christ)

delusional fear of losing it - ah ya that never ever happened before
so feckin delusional (sarcasm)

sink

conchubhar1 wrote: »

delusional fear of losing it - ah ya that never ever happened before
so feckin delusional

Delusion of losing it by taking a seat a the decision making table. They're happier to have no say rather than to have some say, that is delusional.

oscarBravo

conchubhar1 wrote: »

illusion of soverignty

more content

hhm

delusional fear of losing it - ah ya that never ever happened before
so feckin delusional

No offence, but do you think you could post in, like, sentences? That way we might have an idea what you're talking about.

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conchubhar1

i believe in them

i just dont practive them on a forum

what did you not believe? do you believe in a thing called loovve?

K-9

conchubhar1 wrote: »

''illusion of soverignty''

''more content''

hhm (the sound - if you dont know what that means, christ)

delusional fear of losing it - ah ya that never ever happened before
so feckin delusional (sarcasm)

Must have got it from some No voters. Sorry!

extragon

UKIP want unlimited free trade, and free movement of people ( British ).
They could achieve this by withdrawing from the EU, accepting all EU directives, and contributing to the EU budget. They would, however, rid the British of the tyranny of EU passports, car number plates, and the EU flag.

UKIP's policy: hide the EU.

conchubhar1

well for the british - that would be ideal

they are rich and would get most of the benefits and the party who gives the vote or advocates it gets to be a champion of the people

ireland withdrawing from the eu - would be, on the other hand, monumentaly stupid on so many levels

extragon

conchubhar1 wrote: »

well for the british - that would be ideal

Except there would be economic damage. They wouldn't accept all the directives, or want to pay all the money, and little by little things would fall apart. They might even realize that the sheer institutional dead weight of the EU, and the political project ( flags and all ) is needed to head off the constant tendancy towards short term protectionism in 27 countries.

Of course UKIP would hardly exist without its rich Atlanticist funders who may simple wish to reduce EU independence from the US.

conchubhar1

extragon wrote: »

Of course UKIP would hardly exist without its rich Atlanticist funders who may simple wish to reduce EU independence from the US.

ah, this is what the poster must have meant with delusional fear

extragon

Well I was thinking of that ex Clinton aide turned neo-Con imported as their chief strategist. Though more recently, playing the polls, they like to pretend they were against the Iraq war.
But UKIP would hardly exist without their peculiarly narrow funding base - a succession of millionaire benefactors, from Michael Holmes onwards, who - and I think it's a pretty safe generalization - are more Atlanticist that European in outlook.

conchubhar1

ye - okay, any evidence?

netron

They came 2nd nationally in the UK Euro elections

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2009_(United_Kingdom)

Conservative : 27.7%
UKIP: 16.5%
Labour: 15.7%
Liberal Democrat: 13.7%
Green: 8.6%
BNP: 6.2%
SNP: 2.1%

As for accusations that they are "BNP lite" - well, in the early days they did attract the nastier elements of the uber-far right Conservative Party, but since Nigel Farage has become leader they have become far more Libertarian.
AFAIK a purge of the "nasty" wing has occured under his leadership.


There is an interesting snippet on Farage's wiki page , which kind of shows that he sure aint your traditional Tory unionist/loyalist type:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Farage#Prince_Charles

"Prince Charles gave a speech to the European Parliament on 14 February 2008, in which he called for EU leadership in the war against climate change. During the standing ovation that followed, Farage was the only MEP to remain seated and went on to describe the Prince's advisers as "naïve and foolish at best." "

netron

sink wrote: »

The Swiss have to implement all EU directives pertaining to the common market and they don't get a say in their formulation. They are what has been termed a 'fax democracy', Brussels faxes directives to the Swiss and they implement them without question. If the Swiss decide not to implement directives their only option left is to leave the common market.

How that is a better situation to our own, when we actually have influence over the formulation and implementation of directives, is beyond me. But as is so common in this life it appears the people are more content with the illusion of sovereignty than the delusional fear of losing it by sitting at the decision making table.

Ah - but its a bit more complicated than that - the Swiss FEDERAL government can be overruled at Canton level. Switzerland is a federation. So technically, the Swiss can say "yes , we implemented it" , while on the ground no such law has been passed.

Plus theres the matter of the Swiss being able to have citizen enabled referenda on any law they do not like.

conchubhar1

they did come second yes
the bnp mopped up the nastier elements no?

of course he is not the ''typical'' type - there are other parties like that......

if he doesnt want to stand for the prince - let him?
as for the comments, what about gordon browns comments on the polish recently?

he shouldnt make a comment on his views on their views and comments (farage that is)?