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Umaga released

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  • #52
    DM_7
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    flahavaj wrote: »
    Watch this space. f4wonline.com has news of a new round of drug testing in the next week, with a list of guys who are likely/possible to be off TV having already been given to creative in advance of a new rash of suspensions.

    Probably explains at least in part their putting the gold on Punk at this time as well.


    That is Big news. I'm amazed that this type of situation still exists. I know WWE's manic schedule and the desired look is a good portion of the blame but nothing is worth doing the drugs that have harmed so many guys.


  • #53
    Rjd2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,164 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    flahavaj wrote: »
    Watch this space. f4wonline.com has news of a new round of drug testing in the next week, with a list of guys who are likely/possible to be off TV having already been given to creative in advance of a new rash of suspensions.

    Probably explains at least in part their putting the gold on Punk at this time as well.

    Is it wrong that when I read this I immediately began to feel worried for John Morrison?:(


  • #54
    DM_7
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    Is it wrong that when I read this I immediately began to feel worried for John Morrison?:(

    That depends, if he is on TV this week then he is unlikely to be caught up in it. As creative would leave him off tv.


  • #55
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    If it's a wellness thing for steroids then he wants a good slap. A John Cena type physique would be almost impossible without steroids, for Umaga it would just take a helluva lot of food.

    Can't say I'm too sorry to see him go.


  • #56
    CMpunked
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,600 ✭✭✭✭CMpunked


    I guess he could be off to join his cousin and lose some weight:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_March#Participants


  • #57
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    Is it wrong that when I read this I immediately began to feel worried for John Morrison?:(

    I'd say we won't be seeing anymore pothead Brian Kendrick anytime soon either. :pac:

    Pure speculation on my part but would the sudden end to Orton's title reign and their eagerness to put it on an injured Batista, despite it making no sense at all be wellness related? It wouldn't be unlike young Randall to have f*cked up yet again in fairness.


  • #58
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,365 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    amacachi wrote: »
    If it's a wellness thing for steroids then he wants a good slap. A John Cena type physique would be almost impossible without steroids, for Umaga it would just take a helluva lot of food.

    Can't say I'm too sorry to see him go.

    wellness covers all controlled substances not just roids


  • #59
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    wellness covers all controlled substances not just roids

    I know yeah, that's why I specified steroids.


  • #60
    ShawnRaven
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    C-B-G wrote: »
    I guess he could be off to join his cousin and lose some weight:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_March#Participants

    S.H.I.T! I had forgotten all about that.


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  • #61
    DM_7
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Wellness violation confirmed.

    World Wrestling Entertainment Terminates Performer

    As reported on WWE.com on Monday June 8th, 2009, WWE Superstar Umaga (Edward Fatu) has been released from his World Wrestling Entertainment contract. However, consistent with the practice of announcing wellness policy violations, it should be noted that Umaga’s termination was due to his second violation of the WWE Wellness Program and his subsequent refusal to attend a rehabilitation facility.

    http://corporate.wwe.com/

    http://www.wwe.com/inside/industrynews/10492878


  • #62
    Rjd2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,164 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    If that is true and I don't see why it would not be, then Umanga has nobody to blame apart from himself.


  • #63
    DM_7
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    If that is true and I don't see why it would not be, then Umanga has nobody to blame apart from himself.


    IF it is untrue WWE will have a lawsuit on their hands.


  • #64
    Rjd2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,164 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    DM-ICE wrote: »
    IF it is untrue WWE will have a lawsuit on their hands.

    Uh I agree it has to be true. Its a pity we wont get to see Taker vs Umanga though.


  • #65
    DM_7
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    Uh I agree it has to be true. Its a pity we wont get to see Taker vs Umanga though.


    That is a pity. I always liked Umaga's in ring work.


    The odd thing for me is he wouldn't do rehab. I know he was injured so maybe pressure was put on to get healthy, this could lead to taking something he shouldn't.


  • #66
    Lone Kimono
    Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭Lone Kimono


    I had just started to like him aswell! The best bigman in the WWE. Big Show and Kane were great years ago but not now, Knox might be good if pushed properly and the less said about Kozlov and that other fellow whos name escapes my mind right now the better.

    Its Umagas own fault though if what the WWE said is true (and I have no reason to believe its not), thankfully Punk got his win back against him before hand though!


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  • #67
    ShawnRaven
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    Dumb schmuck always came across like he had an attitude problem. He got himself into a bar brawl while working for the company when he was one half of three minute warning, now he's refused assistance into his drug related issues.

    Good riddance, seeya in TNA in six weeks.


  • #68
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    ShawnRaven wrote: »
    Dumb schmuck always came across like he had an attitude problem. He got himself into a bar brawl while working for the company when he was one half of three minute warning, now he's refused assistance into his drug related issues.

    Good riddance, seeya in TNA in six weeks.

    Never stopped your career-long Jeff Hardy fandom.:pac:


  • #69
    Fozzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭Fozzy


    It's a bit odd of them to delay the announcement of the failure


  • #70
    DM_7
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Fozzy wrote: »
    It's a bit odd of them to delay the announcement of the failure

    It is odd. I don't think they ever released anyone for refusing to go to rehab since the wellness policy started. The sun or some other gossip site I was reading suggested they were initially unsure if they could release the info or not.


  • #71
    Fozzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭Fozzy


    DM-ICE wrote: »
    It is odd. I don't think they ever released anyone for refusing to go to rehab since the wellness policy started. The sun or some other gossip site I was reading suggested they were initially unsure if they could release the info or not.

    But he failed a test, which they knew about before the weekend, and they only announced it days after he left the company, which goes against what they say their policy is

    On a related note, the Observer this week says that creative were given a list of names not to use starting from next week. Some are big names. The obvious assumption is that they're wellness suspensions, although creative have never been given advance notice on that before


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  • #72
    DM_7
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Fozzy wrote: »
    But he failed a test, which they knew about before the weekend, and they only announced it days after he left the company, which goes against what they say their policy is

    On a related note, the Observer this week says that creative were given a list of names not to use starting from next week. Some are big names. The obvious assumption is that they're wellness suspensions, although creative have never been given advance notice on that before


    But it was only his 2nd violation. I thought you go on your third.

    So the non use of the wellness failures starts next week. I thought it started straight away. I guess we will know next week whats going on.


  • #73
    Rjd2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,164 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    The Sun had an article on Umanga.
    MAGA was fired by the WWE for failing a drug test and then refusing to go to rehab, The Sun can reveal.
    The company terminated the grappler's contract after he violated their Talent Wellness Program for a second time.

    Although not falling foul of the WWE's 'three strikes and you're out' rule, Umaga's unwillingness to get help was the reason for his release.

    Vince McMahon's wrestling group sent SunSport a statement that said: "As reported on WWE.com on Monday June 8 2009, WWE Superstar Umaga (Edward Fatu) has been released from his World Wrestling Entertainment contract.

    "However consistent with the practice of announcing wellness policy violations, it should be noted that Umaga's termination was due to his second violation of the WWE Wellness Program and his subsequent refusal to attend a rehabilitation facility."

    The delay in announcing the drug test failure was due to the unusual nature of Umaga's termination.

    The company currently names all those suspended for breaking their tough rules over steroids and painkillers, but they needed to review the policy in the case of someone being fired in this situation.

    Umaga had been feuding with new world champion CM Punk. He was also being primed for a series of matches with The Undertaker later this year.

    The Samoan Bulldozer's profile has been removed from WWE.com and he has not been added to the Alumni section.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/wrestling/2476291/WWE-fired-Umaga-for-failing-a-drug-test-and-refusing-rehab.html


  • #74
    ShawnRaven
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    flahavaj wrote: »
    Never stopped your career-long Jeff Hardy fandom.:pac:

    Unfair comparison as Jeff had a lot more of a career to throw away when he refused to test in 2003 then Eddie Fatu did. And as much of a Jeff mark as I am (something i never denied), even i can acknowledge and admit his TNA run was fugly as hell.


  • #75
    Machismo Fan
    Registered Users Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭Machismo Fan


    ShawnRaven wrote: »
    And as much of a Jeff mark as I am (something i never denied), even i can acknowledge and admit his TNA run was fugly as hell.

    That Swanton at BFG '05 was insane though and he had a good gimmick match or two with Abyss so it wasn't all bad.


  • #76
    ShawnRaven
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    Machismo Fan wrote: »
    That Swanton at BFG '05 was insane though and he had a good gimmick match or two with Abyss so it wasn't all bad.

    I couldn't get into it at all, and i watched it again there about three months ago.


  • #77
    Machismo Fan
    Registered Users Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭Machismo Fan


    By it do you mean his run with TNA as a whole?


  • #78
    ShawnRaven
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    Machismo Fan wrote: »
    By it do you mean his run with TNA as a whole?

    Yeah, sorry...
    Anyway, back on topic and on to Umaga, how long before we see him in TNA?


  • #79
    Machismo Fan
    Registered Users Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭Machismo Fan


    I'd say once his no compete ends in 90 days. He'd be an interesting fit into Joe's Nation of Violence storyline, whether opposed to or with Joe.


  • #80
    ShawnRaven
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    Machismo Fan wrote: »
    I'd say once his no compete ends in 90 days. He'd be an interesting fit into Joe's Nation of Violence storyline, whether opposed to or with Joe.

    Provided Umaga doesn't end up replacing Joe completely if Joe is unfit. Wouldn't exactly be a suitable replacement, but it'd certainly jumpstart a career for him with the promotion.


  • #81
    Machismo Fan
    Registered Users Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭Machismo Fan


    That actually wouldn't be a bad idea if Joe is out long-term but where would that leave Tazz?


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  • #82
    ShawnRaven
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    Machismo Fan wrote: »
    That actually wouldn't be a bad idea if Joe is out long-term but where would that leave Tazz?

    The token midget?


  • #83
    Fozzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭Fozzy


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    The Sun had an article on Umanga.


    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/wrestling/2476291/WWE-fired-Umaga-for-failing-a-drug-test-and-refusing-rehab.html

    The part that you bolded was WWE's explanation for the delay. But it doesn't make sense if they're following the policy the way they say that they do

    There was a gap between WWE finding out about the test result, Umaga refusing to go to rehab, them releasing him, and their announcement of the failure. If they're following their policy then it should have been announced as soon as Umaga was informed of it

    No big deal though, it's already obvious that they treat the policy more as an annoyance than something helpful


  • #84
    ShawnRaven
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    That wellness policy has been very bendable and fits to suit different talent.
    Fozzy, you suggesting they're using wellness as a scapegoat in this case?


  • #85
    Fozzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭Fozzy


    ShawnRaven wrote: »
    That wellness policy has been very bendable and fits to suit different talent.
    Fozzy, you suggesting they're using wellness as a scapegoat in this case?

    No, I don't think so. I just think that they weren't too pushed about following the letter of the law and wanted to take their time in sorting it all out before making an announcement. I agree with their decision, if a guy is refusing rehab after a second failure then they can't just bring him back in when his suspension's up


  • #86
    ShawnRaven
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    Fozzy wrote: »
    No, I don't think so. I just think that they weren't too pushed about following the letter of the law and wanted to take their time in sorting it all out before making an announcement. I agree with their decision, if a guy is refusing rehab after a second failure then they can't just bring him back in when his suspension's up

    From a business standpoint, the company were probably up to their snot between injuries, comebacks, the fiasco with the arenas etc. I'd agree with their decision too, but for a publically trading company, it's bad form to delay info like that from its shareholders.


  • #87
    Degag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭Degag


    It'd be interesting if guys like Cena, HHH, Taker, Jericho etc were caught for this.... i think that there'd be a cover up. Don't see WWE suspending the likes of HHH or Cena for Wellness Violation:D


  • #88
    ShawnRaven
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    Degag wrote: »
    It'd be interesting if guys like Cena, HHH, Taker, Jericho etc were caught for this.... i think that there'd be a cover up. Don't see WWE suspending the likes of HHH or Cena for Wellness Violation:D

    Said it before a few times, and will say it again.
    CM PUNK FOR WELLNESS VIOLATION! :D


  • #89
    Degag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭Degag


    ShawnRaven wrote: »
    Said it before a few times, and will say it again.
    CM PUNK FOR WELLNESS VIOLATION! :D

    Lol, i'd say if Punk was ever caught for it, Vince would go to town... totally humiliate him. Something tells me the Vince aint a huge fan of being straight edge.


  • #90
    DM_7
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Degag wrote: »
    Lol, i'd say if Punk was ever caught for it, Vince would go to town... totally humiliate him. Something tells me the Vince aint a huge fan of being straight edge.


    What told you that? The way he treats* Punk?


    *Two WHC reigns, Intercontinental Title run, 2 MITB victories, ECW championship run, Tag Team champ, Allowing him use his development contract in a storyline while leaving ROH, the fact he was allowed wrestle for ROH while under said contract when there was a big storm....


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  • #91
    Degag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭Degag


    DM-ICE wrote: »
    What told you that? The way he treats* Punk?


    *Two WHC reigns, Intercontinental Title run, 2 MITB victories, ECW championship run, Tag Team champ, Allowing him use his development contract in a storyline while leaving ROH, the fact he was allowed wrestle for ROH while under said contract when there was a big storm....

    Nah, not really. Vince has employed plenty of wrestlers and given them far bigger pushes than Punk even if he doesn't necessarily like them. I'm just thinking of the Vickie situation the last night on RAW.... Vince is the vindictive kind of guy that would play on such a situation that i mentioned.


  • #92
    orestes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    ShawnRaven wrote: »
    The token midget?

    /takes deep breaths and counts to 10


  • #93
    Fozzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭Fozzy


    That time when Punk returned to ROH for one night wasn't given the ok by Vince and he got mad about it. It was Dreamer who told Punk that it was ok, but he hadn't cleared it with Vince properly

    And to think that those two are the two main champions in WWE today :pac:


  • #94
    ShawnRaven
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    Fozzy wrote: »
    That time when Punk returned to ROH for one night wasn't given the ok by Vince and he got mad about it. It was Dreamer who told Punk that it was ok, but he hadn't cleared it with Vince properly

    And to think that those two are the two main champions in WWE today :pac:

    Something about lunatics and asylum...


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