Separating Speed Garage from Rave

Seanie M

Having a gander through my collection earlier, picking out some really proper old school stuff as I'm supposed to be working, I thought to myself, with the way genres have changed and adapted to tastes for over a decade and a half, what would constitute Rave against what some my think is a Speed Garage track?

For example, if I was to whip up a rave mix tape (think Old Skool, MP3 wasn't even given the acronym it has), I'd come up with:

Alien Factory - Tomorrow
Prodigy - Out of Space
Circuit - Transport of Love*
Westbam - Celebration Generation*
Scooter - Back in Time
Prodigy - Everybody's in the Place
Smart E's - Sesame Street
Jam & Spoon - Say Yes (To Another Excess)*
Legend B - Lost in Love*
Marusha - Go Ahead*
Scooter - Friends
Ultra Sonic - Dreamers of Dreams
Altern-8 - Evapor-8*
Nostrum - Brainchild

However, tracks marked * might be Speed Garage or Fast/Hard Trance. What would you think? Rave used to be classed as 150+BPM, but sometimes some like e.g. Bassheads "Is there anybody out there?" at c. 125+BPM get lobbed into the Rave category.

Remember, most of this is probably based on opinion, so there's no wrong answer (save the smart alec remarks). Feel free to post your favourite Rave track too.

Seanie.

Daroxtar

Personally i always thought speed garage was more along the lines of that "Re re wind" thingy from years back. I was in london in 97-98 when the whole speed garage scene was huge and TBH i hated it. The whole "urban" thing did nothing for me. It was like slowed down dumbed down DnB but with annoying bass lines and no real kick or breakdown/build up to get you whoopin and hollerin. Rave was earlier, more 90-95 by my reckoning. That said, what would you class as Rave? there's a vast difference between happy hardcore and jungle but each could be called Rave by the uninitiated

Helix

that was uk garage youre thinking of

double 99 wouldve been speed garage

jonny68

Seanie M wrote: »

Having a gander through my collection earlier, picking out some really proper old school stuff as I'm supposed to be working, I thought to myself, with the way genres have changed and adapted to tastes for over a decade and a half, what would constitute Rave against what some my think is a Speed Garage track?

For example, if I was to whip up a rave mix tape (think Old Skool, MP3 wasn't even given the acronym it has), I'd come up with:

Alien Factory - Tomorrow
Prodigy - Out of Space
Circuit - Transport of Love*
Westbam - Celebration Generation*
Scooter - Back in Time
Prodigy - Everybody's in the Place
Smart E's - Sesame Street
Jam & Spoon - Say Yes (To Another Excess)*
Legend B - Lost in Love*
Marusha - Go Ahead*
Scooter - Friends
Ultra Sonic - Dreamers of Dreams
Altern-8 - Evapor-8*
Nostrum - Brainchild

However, tracks marked * might be Speed Garage or Fast/Hard Trance. What would you think? Rave used to be classed as 150+BPM, but sometimes some like e.g. Bassheads "Is there anybody out there?" at c. 125+BPM get lobbed into the Rave category.

Remember, most of this is probably based on opinion, so there's no wrong answer (save the smart alec remarks). Feel free to post your favourite Rave track too.

Seanie.

ok ill have to reply here, most of those tunes are not "Rave" and shouldn't really be labelled as such (no offence)

Speed Garage has nothing really in common with Old Skool Rave/Hardcore except using that genres samples.;)


Alien Factory - Tomorrow - Old Skool Trance
Prodigy - Out of Space - Old Skool Rave/Hardcore
Circuit - Transport of Love* Old Skool Trance
Westbam - Celebration Generation* Old Skool Euro Techno
Scooter - Back in Time = cheesy rubbish
Prodigy - Everybody's in the Place - Old Skool Rave/Hardcore
Smart E's - Sesame Street - Cheesy rubbish
Jam & Spoon - Say Yes (To Another Excess)* Old Skool Trance
Legend B - Lost in Love* Old Skool Techno
Marusha - Go Ahead* = Cheesy rubbish
Scooter - Friends = Cheesy rubbish
Ultra Sonic - Dreamers of Dreams = Bouncy Scottish Techno
Altern-8 - Evapor-8* Old Skool Rave/Hardcore
Nostrum - Brainchild = Old Skool Techno

jonny68

IMO If your going to put together an Old Skool Rave set you can either...

(A) Go for the big anthems like... (ill just pick 5 from each)

1-Awesome 3 - Don't Go
2-Shades of Rhythm---Sound of Eden
3-Altern 8 - E-vapor-8
4-SL2 - On A Ragga Tip
5-The Prodigy - Charly

(B) The Underground selection

1-Hackney Hardcore - Dancehall Dangerous
2-Nebula 11 - Seance / Atheama
3-DJ Scoobie - Mash Up The Speakers
4-Q-Bass - Hardcore Will Never Die
5-DMS - Exterminate

jonny68

This is a serious serious tune,samples LFO, you should hear this over a big fu*k off sound system absolutely awesome,underground Hardcore of the highest calibre.

NEBULA II ATHEAMA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyowsBWbAm8

Seanie M

jonny68 wrote: »

ok ill have to reply here, most of those tunes are not "Rave" and shouldn't really be labelled as such (no offence)

Speed Garage has nothing really in common with Old Skool Rave/Hardcore except using that genres samples.;)


Alien Factory - Tomorrow - Old Skool Trance
Prodigy - Out of Space - Old Skool Rave/Hardcore
Circuit - Transport of Love* Old Skool Trance
Westbam - Celebration Generation* Old Skool Euro Techno
Scooter - Back in Time = cheesy rubbish
Prodigy - Everybody's in the Place - Old Skool Rave/Hardcore
Smart E's - Sesame Street - Cheesy rubbish
Jam & Spoon - Say Yes (To Another Excess)* Old Skool Trance
Legend B - Lost in Love* Old Skool Techno
Marusha - Go Ahead* = Cheesy rubbish
Scooter - Friends = Cheesy rubbish
Ultra Sonic - Dreamers of Dreams = Bouncy Scottish Techno
Altern-8 - Evapor-8* Old Skool Rave/Hardcore
Nostrum - Brainchild = Old Skool Techno

No offense taken johnny. You see, you're kind of proving a point with your 'corrections'. I would never myself, for a second, thought of Prodigy - Everybody's in the Place as Hardcore. Think of the era it was released. Hardcore was Binman, (some of) Ultra Sonic, and (some of) DJ Hixxy and Sharkey, for example. Some of it was called Happy Hardcore (I have them on old tapes as such). TODAY, it would be called something different.

Seanie.

jonny68

Seanie M wrote: »

No offense johnny. You see, you're kind of proving a point with your 'corrections'. I would never myself, for a second, thought of Prodigy - Everybody's in the Place as Hardcore. Think of the era it was released. Hardcore was Binman, (some of) Ultra Sonic, and (some of) DJ Hixxy and Sharkey, for example. Some of it was called Happy Hardcore (I have them on old tapes as such). TODAY, it would be called something different.

Seanie.

Binman played bouncy Scottish Techno and Gabba it wasn't classified as Hardcore.

What else could you describe everybody in the place as?It is Rave/Hardcore, it wouldn't be the most underground Hardcore track but it's still categorised as Hardcore nonetheless,Hixxy and Sharkey are just cheesemeisters,i actually like a lot of the 94 Happy sound but after that it got too cheesy.

http://www.discogs.com/release/6316