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conchubhar1 · 10-06-2009 12:36am #1

anyone know where to get info on his past?

political activity mainly

thanks. not wikipedia - - - -

Rb · 10-06-2009 12:39am

Why not Wikipedia?

Email him!proinsias.derossa@europarl.europa.eu

conchubhar1 · 10-06-2009 1:00am

if you know what wikipedia is - then you know it is not the most trustworthy of sources

i am not going to email him, waste of his time and for other reasons.

conchubhar1 · 10-06-2009 1:09am

if you know what wikipedia is - then you know it is not the most trustworthy of sources

i am not going to email him, waste of his time and for other reasons.

lostexpectation · 10-06-2009 1:11am

conchubhar1 wrote: »

if you know what wikipedia is - then you know it is not the most trustworthy of sources

point to something incorrect in wikipedia?

conchubhar1 were you born yesterday?

civildefence · 10-06-2009 1:14am

I know that he was once a hero to the working classes of Inner-City Dublin when he was with the once prosperous Workers Party, back in the days of Tómas Mac Giolla. He, along with Pat Rabbitte and Eric Byrne split the ranks to form Democratic Left and after this was dissolved, they all went to Labour.

skelliser · 10-06-2009 1:16am

hes also 69! would ya believe it!

conchubhar1 · 10-06-2009 1:17am

lostexpectation wrote: »

point to something incorrect in wikipedia?

conchubhar1 were you born yesterday?

:mad: christ

that doesnt deserve refuting. it can be edited by anyone and if you think it is trustworthy . . . .

. . . . . . :pac: . . . . . . . .:) . . . . . . .

. . . . . . .:(:(

Dinner · 10-06-2009 1:19am

conchubhar1 wrote: »

:mad: christ

that doesnt deserve refuting. it can be edited by anyone and if you think it is trustworthy . . . . . . . . . . :pac: . . . . . . . .:) . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:(:(

But you instantly thanked a post by civildefence. Anybody can post on boards...

conchubhar1 · 10-06-2009 1:23am

i have read and heard that before - so i take it as likely true

it was the only decent post so far - the only relevant one anyway...

conchubhar1 · 10-06-2009 1:24am

skelliser wrote: »

hes also 69! would ya believe it!

not to look at him, i would not. but i have heard about his age before, in a nice passing way which is good.

skelliser · 10-06-2009 1:26am

conchubhar1 wrote: »

not to look at him, i would not.

thats what i meant;) he could still pass for being in his late forties

lostexpectation · 10-06-2009 1:27am

conchubhar1 wrote: »

:mad: christ

that doesnt deserve refuting. it can be edited by anyone and if you think it is trustworthy . . . . . . . . . . :pac: . . . . . . . .:) . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:(:(

wikipedia isn't a source its an encyclopaedia the sources are at the bottom of the page

conchubhar1 · 10-06-2009 1:28am

skelliser wrote: »

thats what i meant;) he could still pass for being in his late forties

beards do wonders - plus it makes him look cool

seriously though, i am interested on the recent history of ireland and he is one of the longer standing and innvolved politicians of the time.

conchubhar1 · 10-06-2009 1:29am

lostexpectation wrote: »

wikipedia isn't a source its an encyclopaedia the sources are at the bottom of the page

yes, but somes things are not footnoted......

after your previous insulting comment, i will not reply anymore to you unless you have something good to post on this matter in this thread. thanks.

conchubhar1 · 10-06-2009 1:32am

4 sentences in his wiki entry have footnotes......

so the rest could be right but might not be - in fact there is many cases in the past where stuff was edited to make people look worse or better than the reality was

civildefence · 10-06-2009 1:46am

My father was once well acquainted with him as an active member of the Workers Party, but he along with many other members never forgave for him, Byrne and Rabbitte for turning their back on what could have been the party that changed Irish politics. Its a shame really because he was one of the few politicians who gave a glimmer of hope to the political voice of the ordinary working man. I was only a nipper but I remember seeing the great solidarity of them all back in the general elections of the late eighties.

skelliser · 10-06-2009 1:47am

some stuff here about the history of the workers party
if a little biased
http://www.workerspartyireland.net/history.html

10-06-2009 2:02am

conchubhar1 wrote: »

4 sentences in his wiki entry have footnotes......

so the rest could be right but might not be - in fact there is many cases in the past where stuff was edited to make people look worse or better than the reality was

So instead you ask on a forum where anybody can register and can post what they please (more or less). How do you know that skelliser's link to the website wasn't set up by him purely to discredit De Rossa? It has even less sources linked to than the wikipedia page. And you believed civildefence's post because "i have read and heard that before - so i take it as likely true"? Unless of course the person you heard it from got it from the same inaccurate source as civildefence

PS skelliser and civil defence: Wasn't criticising or questioning either of your posts, just pointing out the absurdity of the OP's bias on sources

conchubhar1 · 10-06-2009 2:09am

i can make a decision on the article..... i have become fairly good at spotting if an article is good or not while doing history

stop attacking me and taking the thread off topic

conchubhar1 · 10-06-2009 2:12am

28064212 wrote: »

So instead you ask on a forum where anybody can register and can post what they please (more or less).

yes, they mention a website or a book or wherever

i read it and see its credibility - not a dificult concept

conchubhar1 · 11-06-2009 5:04pm

anybody know of any books or websites?

humanji · 11-06-2009 6:03pm

conchubhar1 wrote: »

anybody know of any books or websites?

Wikipedia?

conchubhar1 · 11-06-2009 6:11pm

i have checked the four refrences on wikipedia - the rest may aswel not be ther imo as it could be true but it could be crap - more likely thn not it is pure crap

LostinBlanch · 11-06-2009 6:19pm

civildefence wrote: »

I know that he was once a hero to the working classes of Inner-City Dublin when he was with the once prosperous Workers Party, back in the days of Tómas Mac Giolla. He, along with Pat Rabbitte and Eric Byrne split the ranks to form Democratic Left and after this was dissolved, they all went to Labour.

When they had their own printing press in the 80's! There were concerns in the press at the time that "someone*" was using the press to print tenners. Make of that what you will.

*AFAIK not any of the names above.

Nodin · 11-06-2009 7:35pm

LostinBlanch wrote: »

When they had their own printing press in the 80's! There were concerns in the press at the time that "someone*" was using the press to print tenners. Make of that what you will.

*AFAIK not any of the names above.

Look, if you point anyone else other than SF has a past round here, the whole system of the political forum will collapse....It's the glue that keeps it together, ye know....

conchubhar1 · 11-06-2009 7:40pm

what a stupid view ^

Rb · 11-06-2009 7:42pm

From what I've been told, Proinsias once filled in for Santa, but had to be taken off the job for firing the kids presents out of a giant AK47.

I don't know how accurate my source on that was, but it definitely wasn't that shady wikipedia

conchubhar1 · 11-06-2009 9:31pm

its getting harder and harder not to call people who keep making that comment an idiot

you have made your point on wiki - great, now stop.

Tricity Bendix · 12-06-2009 12:12am

lol. thread = fail

De Rossa was a former member of the workers party. He helped set up Democratic Left and was a leading member until it joined up with Labour. He became the Labour MEP for Dublin and sits with the PES.

If you want to learn anything else, ask him. Or read his website. He has press releases going back to 2005.

http://www.derossa.com/

tomcosgrave · 12-06-2009 12:46am

Jeebus, what a hub-bub.

I am a member of the Labour Party and I know several people who were in the Workers Party, Democratic Left or both. I also know DeRossa himself very, very slightly from canvassing for him over the last few years.

The Wikipedia article is correct as far as I know, so feel free to read it - but I'll add in a bit of context as I see it myself -

The most relevant reason for the split (initially called New Agenda) from the Workers Party was to do with the lack of progression by the party in the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Block from 1989 to 1992. The democratic centralist political structures of that time were Soviet inspired, and the fall of the Soviet Union sent shockwaves through left wing political organisations all over the world at that time. What happened in the Workers Party was part of that.

The Workers Party was originally known as Sinn Féin the Workers Party, and before that, had been part of Sinn Féin. Sinn Féin had split in 1970 over political direction - there was a Marxist / socialist grouping centered around what became the Workers Party, and a majority grouping centered around what we know today as Provisional Sinn Féin which was nationalist in orientation.

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