The Irish Goverment needs to BanOnline poker.

partyguinness

And I would like to ban stupid poor people from procreating...but I cant...:mad:

SouthKerry

PeakOutput wrote: »

haha you are clearly clueless

Must be a deluded gambler. Ask yourself this question? Have you lost more money than you have one? of course you have like all gamblers.
Or are you one of those deluded gamblers who tells everyone how much they have won today but forgot to tell them how much they lost yesterday.

sink

To be fair if you call for a ban on poker, you must also call for a ban on the stock market and basically anything with a risk to reward ratio.

belgowho

SouthKerry wrote: »

Must be a deluded gambler. Ask yourself this question? Have you lost more money than you have one? of course you have like all gamblers.
Or are you one of those deluded gamblers who tells everyone how much they have won today but forgot to tell them how much they lost yesterday.

I lost a 5er today but won a tenner yesterday. Should I tell my friends I broke even or im a degenerate gambler, and should I tell them tomorrow or should I have told them yesterday

Quint

Somehow I don't think the government will ban online poker for the OP's reasons. They they'd have to ban all gambling and we have the horse racing industry to think of. It's just not gonna happen.

Cremated

trailerparkboy wrote: »

I know where your coming from but online poker needs to be banned its far worse than any drug. Its targetiing mostly young males who are now becoming totally adicted when they hear all the stories of peole winning money when in fact no one wins only the poker rooms, its just one big scam with money swirling around and the poker room taking a cut. We need to ban it like America and the sooner the better, people are destroying there lives with this addiction to poker.

Just let the Government dictate what we do with our money,

I'm sick of people going on about gambling being a bad thing,

for example, I work 5 days a week and I earn ''X'' amount why cant I decide to spend my extra cash after paying bills etc on gambling, it's my money which I work hard for,

and I should get to decide what to do with my own money...

SeanW

trailerparkboy wrote: »

IN the u.s.a they have banned poker and yesterday they started seizing money from online poker players accounts who play from america. This is great news, poker is gambling and all froms of gambling should be banned espically poker as it now has become a serious addiction here in Ireland thanks to the media and people saying its not gambling but a skill, these peole are delusional compulsive gamblers who need help before they end up with nothing. The fact is if you gamble you will eventually end up broke that is for sure. I think we need to lobby the goverment to ban online poker in Ireland as its causing so much pain to the addicted people and there loved ones.

People need to take responsibility for themselves, and stop begging the government to ban and regluate everything that might be dangerous. I don't want to know about you, but I do NOT want to live in a world ruled by inflationary Central Banks, CCTV, GPS tracking, Nanny State laws and all of that.

trailerparkboy wrote: »

Why dont you say that to the countless women and children who are hungary tonight because there Father has lost the weeks money on poker gambling

I'd say she shouldn't have married a deadbeat loser and should leave his ass and take the kids too - she can claim some state benefits and get his wage packet garnished.

Any man who would put gambling above his families needs does not deserve to be the head of that family.

conchubhar1 wrote: »

you made that choice op
im sorry you lost that money
but banning poker is ridiculous

I see we are getting to the nub of the OPs complaint, he lost money on a gambling addication

and now he wants to punish all gamblers including those who are actually capable of making sensible choices.

With the rise of government power (and associated abuse) here in the West and the rise of certain totalitarian cultures, it's threads like this that really make me fear for the future of mankind.
What almost as alarming is the number of "Thanks" the OPs post recieved. :eek:

Zuiderzee

Deleted User wrote: »

Loving the ignorance in this thread. It's heartwarming.

Mate, I suppose I need to be clearer - who regulates online casinos.

No I have never played poker online, dont particularly want to - but bookies are regulated, casinos are regulated, slot machines are regulated.

I guess I am just concerned that people will get ripped off by dodgy dealers - pardon the pun.

Macspower

wow just got an infraction for my post above!! from an admin.. not just a normal mod

lee_arama

amacachi wrote: »

I think online poker was banned in the US because in general gambling is banned in the US.

Let's ban driving. And smoking. And dancing, I don't like dancing.

It was banned because money is considered to be crossing state lines, making it federal.

If they were smart they'd unban it and tax it. I mean, live poker in the states isn't illegal, AND taxable.

sceptre

Macspower wrote: »

wow just got an infraction for my post above!! from an admin.. not just a normal mod

The admin mods this forum.

Complaints about the moderation can be put in the Help Desk, where they always go.

That applies to anyone else as well who got a warning or infraction on this thread for either not bothering to read the rules or choosing to disregard them.

As an aside and nothing to do with the above, try to make your posts actually say something guys - while the "nanny state" counter is cute and probably appropriate, other people said it before you. Being the twentieth guy to say it just makes it look like you can't read.

okioffice84

I agree, the gov. should ban online poker.
They should also issue nappies and pacifiers to all adult citizens.

sceptre

mdwexford wrote: »

OP is just jealous because he is awful at poker and all the rest of us on the poker forum make thousands of dollars every month easily. He tried to find out our secrets and we wouldnt tell him so now hes on a personal crusade to get poker banned in Ireland.

Perhaps he is. But you can still make a go for the ball rather than the man when you're discussing things, can't you?

Yes, that's a moderator post. I don't give a monkey's fig for the OP's credentials, poker ability or the veracity of his gaming claims. Neither should you. Not on this forum.

I don't think it should be banned but I'd rather I shouldn't have to explain why as an argument closer - I'd rather you guys did some discussing on the topic itself instead. The topic. Not the poster. That's a marker laid down so being very clear, discuss the issue at hand or don't discuss it at all.

mdwexford

OK then i think OP's statement is ridiculous, he is making unfounded, unproven and ignorant comments about professional poker players. Saying that all poker players are gambling degenerates who leave their families to go hungry is frankly stupid.

happyoutscan

Self control. If you don't have it, don't play poker. If you're playing and you're having a bad day then walk away. If you're losing 14000k on poker then you need to return to the play-chips tables until you get the discipline needed to win at higher stakes poker.

Which is, incidentally, what I do. Quite often.

sceptre

sceptre wrote: »

The topic. Not the poster. That's a marker laid down so being very clear, discuss the issue at hand or don't discuss it at all.

Not discussing moderation here but the point is that, notwithstanding the fact that OP is 100% a ****-stirrer, often people's position on this issue stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of what poker is and how it is played.

If the OP is incapable of understanding that then it is a concomitant argument to refer to his misunderstanding as well as the individual merits of his more general position regarding the legal status of online poker.

With that in mind one can see that, to paraphrase your own metaphor, one must play both the man and ball; albeit in this instance one can refrain from a personal critique as long as you focus on his understanding of poker as a game of skill.



To the issue at hand: In a free society you need a good reason to ban something and the inability of a person to moderate their usage of a publicly available facility is not good enough. Unlike cigarettes, for example, poker is not specifically designed to be addictive. Indeed anything can be addictive and harmful if consumed in sufficient quantities. Trusting in the ability of people to regulate themselves in their own self-interests, within the confines of a legal system, is a cornerstone of civil liberties. To remove that liberty is a greater injustice than to allow poker to be played by the huge majority of people who are not addicted to it as well as the small minority who are.

zuutroy

trailerparkboy wrote: »

Why dont you say that to the countless women and children who are hungary tonight because there Father has lost the weeks money on poker gambling

Pokerstars have addressed this by having Boris Becker detail cost effective dinner recipes in their advertising.

eagle eye

It should be banned.

Its well known that only 5% of online players are winning.

The amount of money thats being held offshore in poker accounts and other related accounts such as neteller and moneybookers is huge.

Two very well known successful online poker players were playing since their early teens, which leads to the belief that there are many, many more. This surely cannot be a healthy occupation for schoolkids.

Another successful teen was a cheat, and is still a cheat. He has never been legally challenged by anyone over this, in fact the laws are unclear as to cheating at online poker. I mean you could have three or four separate computers going at one time with different names and different ip addresses and play at one table. If you are smart enough you will never be caught.

Poker sites were caught out with players playing on superuser accounts which allowed the players to see the cards of all their opponents. This was a multi million dollar scam. Its unclear exactly how much of this money has been repaid but both poker sites still exist to this very day.

You have people now addicted to online poker who would have been educating themselves, playing sports or socialising with this time before the online poker boom. It will lead in a lot of cases to mental and physical problems with anti-social disorders and heart disease leading the way.

Chucky the tree

eagle eye wrote: »

It should be banned.

Its well known that only 5% of online players are winning.

The amount of money thats being held offshore in poker accounts and other related accounts such as neteller and moneybookers is huge.

Two very well known successful online poker players were playing since their early teens, which leads to the belief that there are many, many more. This surely cannot be a healthy occupation for schoolkids.

Another successful teen was a cheat, and is still a cheat. He has never been legally challenged by anyone over this, in fact the laws are unclear as to cheating at online poker. I mean you could have three or four separate computers going at one time with different names and different ip addresses and play at one table. If you are smart enough you will never be caught.

Poker sites were caught out with players playing on superuser accounts which allowed the players to see the cards of all their opponents. This was a multi million dollar scam. Its unclear exactly how much of this money has been repaid but both poker sites still exist to this very day.

You have people now addicted to online poker who would have been educating themselves, playing sports or socialising with this time before the online poker boom. It will lead in a lot of cases to mental and physical problems with anti-social disorders and heart disease leading the way.

A+

GuanYin

Hrmm... I don't think the Irish government or any government should ban online poker or any form of gambling.

All this does is remove the need for people to learn and operate a little bit of self control in their lives.

Sure regulate it, make sure the systems aren't preying on people and maybe even cap what someone can gamble (and I say *maybe* - but then I'd rather not see someone gamble away their kids college funds).

If there was *ANY* kind of regulation put on gambling, I think the most that a government should do is issue personal gambling licenses, perhaps with caps based on income, that way they could ensure people gamble responsibly, without banning it.

But even then, again, the best solution is for people to just learn self control, but I think in the US at least, they will maintain some level of prohibition on it (although I see this current ban being challenged). As devil's advocate, I can see why people might object to say, tax money going to welfare for people who just gamble it all away...

sceptre

I've taken out eagle eye's mentioning of the "notorious online poker cheat" as he's become known by some for two reasons - he hasn't been convicted of anything even though he's documented all over the Internet as having admitted it and as a 16-year old, he's a minor - it's reasonable as a policy decision to follow the same rules we'd follow if he was in the jurisdiction out of fairness.

Easily findable on google for those who are curious but for what it's worth, having googled the basic info on this guy included by eagle eye in his post, the accusations of cheating seem to be true.

Whether this is important to the discussion is of course up to you guys who are discussing it.

sink

eagle eye wrote: »

It should be banned.

Its well known that only 5% of online players are winning.

The amount of money thats being held offshore in poker accounts and other related accounts such as neteller and moneybookers is huge.

Two very well known successful online poker players were playing since their early teens, which leads to the belief that there are many, many more. This surely cannot be a healthy occupation for schoolkids.

Another successful teen was a cheat, and is still a cheat. He has never been legally challenged by anyone over this, in fact the laws are unclear as to cheating at online poker. I mean you could have three or four separate computers going at one time with different names and different ip addresses and play at one table. If you are smart enough you will never be caught.

Poker sites were caught out with players playing on superuser accounts which allowed the players to see the cards of all their opponents. This was a multi million dollar scam. Its unclear exactly how much of this money has been repaid but both poker sites still exist to this very day.

You have people now addicted to online poker who would have been educating themselves, playing sports or socialising with this time before the online poker boom. It will lead in a lot of cases to mental and physical problems with anti-social disorders and heart disease leading the way.

All very valid concerns, but is the only answer to outright ban the practice or is there a less invasive and more liberal less authoritarian approach. I think you are overlooking the possibility of combating the negatives of on-line poker through better education. If people are aware when they're being ripped off they will demand action by the poker company or they will take their money elsewhere. There could be a quality assurance scheme, whereby a independent body monitors and awards security level ratings to poker websites.

trailerparkboy

Deleted User wrote: »

Not discussing moderation here but the point is that, notwithstanding the fact that OP is 100% a ****-stirrer, often people's position on this issue stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of what poker is and how it is played.

If the OP is incapable of understanding that then it is a concomitant argument to refer to his misunderstanding as well as the individual merits of his more general position regarding the legal status of online poker.

With that in mind one can see that, to paraphrase your own metaphor, one must play both the man and ball; albeit in this instance one can refrain from a personal critique as long as you focus on his understanding of poker as a game of skill.



To the issue at hand: In a free society you need a good reason to ban something and the inability of a person to moderate their usage of a publicly available facility is not good enough. Unlike cigarettes, for example, poker is not specifically designed to be addictive. Indeed anything can be addictive and harmful if consumed in sufficient quantities. Trusting in the ability of people to regulate themselves in their own self-interests, within the confines of a legal system, is a cornerstone of civil liberties. To remove that liberty is a greater injustice than to allow poker to be played by the huge majority of people who are not addicted to it as well as the small minority who are.

Poker a game of skill? Are you serious its gambling simple as that, just because people are brainwashed or deluded enough to think that its a game of skill does not make it true. Its gambling and like all gambling you will eventually loose all your money, i think its time for a lot of poker players to grow up and stop thinking that you can make money for nothing.

Fighting Irish

eagle eye wrote: »

It should be banned.

Its well known that only 5% of online players are winning.

The amount of money thats being held offshore in poker accounts and other related accounts such as neteller and moneybookers is huge.

Two very well known successful online poker players were playing since their early teens, which leads to the belief that there are many, many more. This surely cannot be a healthy occupation for schoolkids.

Another successful teen was a cheat, and is still a cheat. He has never been legally challenged by anyone over this, in fact the laws are unclear as to cheating at online poker. I mean you could have three or four separate computers going at one time with different names and different ip addresses and play at one table. If you are smart enough you will never be caught.

Poker sites were caught out with players playing on superuser accounts which allowed the players to see the cards of all their opponents. This was a multi million dollar scam. Its unclear exactly how much of this money has been repaid but both poker sites still exist to this very day.

You have people now addicted to online poker who would have been educating themselves, playing sports or socialising with this time before the online poker boom. It will lead in a lot of cases to mental and physical problems with anti-social disorders and heart disease leading the way.

:rolleyes:

There's no point even arguing with you, lets just hope people like you never get into power

Fighting Irish

trailerparkboy wrote: »

Poker a game of skill? Are you serious its gambling simple as that, just because people are brainwashed or deluded enough to think that its a game of skill does not make it true. Its gambling and like all gambling you will eventually loose all your money, i think its time for a lot of poker players to grow up and stop thinking that you can make money for nothing.

I'm not big into poker but there is skill involved

zuutroy

trailerparkboy wrote: »

Poker a game of skill? Are you serious its gambling simple as that, just because people are brainwashed or deluded enough to think that its a game of skill does not make it true. Its gambling and like all gambling you will eventually loose all your money, i think its time for a lot of poker players to grow up and stop thinking that you can make money for nothing.

[x] deluded

Nodin

happyoutscan wrote: »

Self control.

That too will be banned.

jhegarty

trailerparkboy wrote: »

Poker a game of skill? Are you serious its gambling simple as that, just because people are brainwashed or deluded enough to think that its a game of skill does not make it true. Its gambling and like all gambling you will eventually loose all your money, i think its time for a lot of poker players to grow up and stop thinking that you can make money for nothing.

If poker is 100% a game of luck then why do the same faces keep appears at the final table for major tournaments ?

trailerparkboy

trailerparkboy wrote: »

Poker a game of skill? Are you serious its gambling simple as that, just because people are brainwashed or deluded enough to think that its a game of skill does not make it true. Its gambling and like all gambling you will eventually loose all your money, i think its time for a lot of poker players to grow up and stop thinking that you can make money for nothing.

This isn't really the place to re-hash the "skill v luck" debate. Needless to say if you don't take the time to understand why it is not a game of luck then you shall remain a loser. However, since losers are needed in every game I am glad of your donation.

phantom_lord

zuutroy wrote: »

[x] deluded

yeah but how much did he lose?