The Irish Goverment needs to BanOnline poker.

happyoutscan

Deleted User wrote: »

This isn't really the place to re-hash the "skill v luck" debate. Needless to say if you don't take the time to understand why it is not a game of luck then you shall remain a loser. However, since losers are needed in every game I am glad of your donation.

Agreed. I win because I'm good enough to win, and because there are many who are too good at losing.

Akrasia

eagle eye wrote: »

It should be banned.

Its well known that only 5% of online players are winning.

The amount of money thats being held offshore in poker accounts and other related accounts such as neteller and moneybookers is huge.

Two very well known successful online poker players were playing since their early teens, which leads to the belief that there are many, many more. This surely cannot be a healthy occupation for schoolkids.

Another successful teen was a cheat, and is still a cheat. He has never been legally challenged by anyone over this, in fact the laws are unclear as to cheating at online poker. I mean you could have three or four separate computers going at one time with different names and different ip addresses and play at one table. If you are smart enough you will never be caught.

Poker sites were caught out with players playing on superuser accounts which allowed the players to see the cards of all their opponents. This was a multi million dollar scam. Its unclear exactly how much of this money has been repaid but both poker sites still exist to this very day.

Its for this reason that I don't play online poker with real money. Not so much the big scams, but the fact that you could be playing against poker Bots who are using detailed formulas so that they'll always win over the long term. its just not possible to know that I'm playing in a fair game.
I'd much prefer a low stakes game against real people face to face.

trailerparkboy

phantom_lord wrote: »

yeah but how much did he lose?

:rolleyes: dont you know he always wins, like most gamblers they always win.
Seriously i would say he has lost thousands over the long run, its a game of delusion, thinking you can beat the system when in fact you cannot.

trailerparkboy

trailerparkboy wrote: »

Seriously i would say he has lost thousands over the long run, its a game of delusion, thinking you can beat the system when in fact you cannot.

Tell us about these delusions

RKDus

eagle eye wrote: »

It should be banned.

Its well known that only 5% of online players are winning.

The amount of money thats being held offshore in poker accounts and other related accounts such as neteller and moneybookers is huge.

Two very well known successful online poker players were playing since their early teens, which leads to the belief that there are many, many more. This surely cannot be a healthy occupation for schoolkids.

Another successful teen was a cheat, and is still a cheat. He has never been legally challenged by anyone over this, in fact the laws are unclear as to cheating at online poker. I mean you could have three or four separate computers going at one time with different names and different ip addresses and play at one table. If you are smart enough you will never be caught.

Poker sites were caught out with players playing on superuser accounts which allowed the players to see the cards of all their opponents. This was a multi million dollar scam. Its unclear exactly how much of this money has been repaid but both poker sites still exist to this very day.

You have people now addicted to online poker who would have been educating themselves, playing sports or socialising with this time before the online poker boom. It will lead in a lot of cases to mental and physical problems with anti-social disorders and heart disease leading the way.

Only 5% of teams in the Premiership can win the league, so should we ban football?

The cheating issue is a total red herring.

trailerparkboy

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055504314&page=2:DHeres a nice little link from a poker forum about a guy claiming to be making big money playing poker but people found out he had written in his blog that he was stone broke and all his credit cards were maxed out, thats what will happen to most poker players they might win big at the start but will eventually loose it all and that is for certain. There really fooling no one but themselves and they know it deep down.

thethedev

If your too dumb to realise that you can lose a **** load of money in poker if you bet beyond your skill than Im afraid I believe your money is better off in others hands.
"A fool and his money are soon parted"
Do you get that? Once more just for good measure.

"A fool and his money are soon parted"

People enjoy the thrill of poker, like most things that can be addictive. But should we ban anything addictive?
Yes?
Ok so no more;

Sex.
Bubble wrap.
Alcohol.
Tobacco.
Pringles.

A great deal of money can be lost and the advertisements would lead the un-educated to believe that they can get really good really fast and never loose a cent, but who the **** believes ads anyway?!?

happyoutscan

trailerparkboy wrote: »

:rolleyes: dont you know he always wins, like most gamblers they always win.
Seriously i would say he has lost thousands over the long run, its a game of delusion, thinking you can beat the system when in fact you cannot.

What system are you talking about? If you cannot beat other players, it's only because you are not good enough. I do not think that your lack of poker skill merits calling for poker to be banned, although there are some valid reasons put forth by others in this thread which at least have some substance to them.

mdwexford

trailerparkboy wrote: »

:rolleyes: dont you know he always wins, like most gamblers they always win.
Seriously i would say he has lost thousands over the long run, its a game of delusion, thinking you can beat the system when in fact you cannot.

Who or what is this system you keep referring to, how can i get a copy of this system?

Sean@boards.ie

I'm with the OP on this one. Yes there are skills required to play proper poker but you are at the mercy of the cards and probability.

Here is another sad story I remember from my days playing ppp back when Tribeca was too cool for skool before I lost all my money playing 10/20

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055101028

10k in one session.

People in general are stupid. It is not that the government should ban things like poker but people should be mental health tested every 5 years, barcoded and given licences. For all sorts of things. Driving, breeding, drinking, gambling etc

The world would be a better place IMO.

thethedev wrote: »

"A fool and his money are soon parted"



Sex.
Bubble wrap.
Alcohol.
Tobacco.
Pringles.

Those would require indivdual licences.

By the way I am not suggesting a single license for every thing, it could be like a passport and stamped with the various licence stamps.

Having to carry loads of little licence books with you every were would be silly, though we could do it through the barcode?

phantom_lord

even if poker was pure gambling, why would that be a reason to ban it? other forms of gambling are perfectly legal.

happyoutscan

But why ban something because people don't have a bit of self-control?

stepbar

trailerparkboy wrote: »

Poker a game of skill? Are you serious its gambling simple as that, just because people are brainwashed or deluded enough to think that its a game of skill does not make it true. Its gambling and like all gambling you will eventually loose all your money, i think its time for a lot of poker players to grow up and stop thinking that you can make money for nothing.

trailerparkboy wrote: »

:rolleyes: dont you know he always wins, like most gamblers they always win.
Seriously i would say he has lost thousands over the long run, its a game of delusion, thinking you can beat the system when in fact you cannot.

trailerparkboy wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055504314&page=2:DHeres a nice little link from a poker forum about a guy claiming to be making big money playing poker but people found out he had written in his blog that he was stone broke and all his credit cards were maxed out, thats what will happen to most poker players they might win big at the start but will eventually loose it all and that is for certain. There really fooling no one but themselves and they know it deep down.

Pot calling the kettle black.

I can safely say you wouldn't be here advocating the banning of online poker had you not lost a shed load of money yourself. My advice to you (before you make anymore of a fool of yourself) - swallow your price and turn off the PC. It's time to stop feeling sorry for yourself.

Souljacker

What's the point? People who want to play poker online will just find non Irish sites.

If you want to help people with gambling addictions, making people aware of the problem and providing money for counselling facilities.

yawnstretch

I agree with the OP

phantom_lord

trailerparkboy wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055504314&page=2:DHeres a nice little link from a poker forum about a guy claiming to be making big money playing poker but people found out he had written in his blog that he was stone broke and all his credit cards were maxed out, thats what will happen to most poker players they might win big at the start but will eventually loose it all and that is for certain. There really fooling no one but themselves and they know it deep down.

guess you could be right:




obv the site had decided he had won enough and it was someone else's turn.

phantom_lord

yawnstretch wrote: »

I agree with the OP

that's nice.

happyoutscan

At a guess I would think that the majority of current or ex poker players who want online poker banned are those who never spent any time playing free-chip tables in order to learn the game and the aspects behind it. In too big of a rush to get the money, now that it's not worked for them the bitterness sets in.

I don't have any idea about poker terminology, because at the end of the day it is irrelevant. I don't even think I have ever even posted (or read) the poker threads on boards.ie as far as I know. Do you know why? Because if you want to be good at anything you learn the basics, and you keep learning and practicing them. I don't think enough do this so what else do they expect? Terminology expertise wins nothing, nor does playing above your limits. I'm playing 3 years and I know my limits and strictly stick to them. If others did this they might not be so bitter about the game when it kicks you in the bottom.

SeanW

Sean@boards.ie wrote: »

I'm with the OP on this one. Yes there are skills required to play proper poker but you are at the mercy of the cards and probability.

Here is another sad story I remember from my days playing ppp back when Tribeca was too cool for skool before I lost all my money playing 10/20

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055101028

10k in one session.

People in general are stupid. It is not that the government should ban things like poker but people should be mental health tested every 5 years, barcoded and given licences. For all sorts of things. Driving, breeding, drinking, gambling etc

:eek: I hope you are trolling. Or doing a bad job of playing devils advocate.

Otherwise I really hope you never get into a position of power, or it will be God have mercy the people who have to live under you.

Sean@boards.ie

SeanW wrote: »

:eek: I hope you are trolling. Or doing a bad job of playing devils advocate.

Otherwise I really hope you never get into a position of power, or it will be God have mercy the people who have to live under you.

Now give me a break here, you immediately just saw the negatives and assumes such a system would be used in a bad way. Look for the positives, even though I may have given a simplistic view of the system. It can be about allowing people the good things in life as well as stopping certain elements abusing the bad things in life.

I'm pro oligarchy FWIW

FutureGuy

Ban money

eagle eye

A few questions.
How much is online poker costing the Irish economy?
Would the banning of online poker result in more or less jobs?
What reputable firms have audited online poker companies?
How can we make sure that underrage children are not playing?
How can we make sure that cheating is not prevalent?

I think it should be banned until we can answer all these questions and not only answer them but be capable of policing these sites and making sure that there are no underage players and cheaters, and have laws to deal with people who do cheat and who do allow underage gambling.

Let's just put a few things straight here:

1. Poker is a game of skill. It involves manipulation and calculation of probability and it is mathematically provable that it is a game of skill.

2. People can become addicted to just about anything. Banning things because people cannot exercise self-control would mean banning everything.

3. Licencing behaviour is as close to a mixture between Orwell's nightmare and Aldous Huxley's as I can imagine. It is a truly horrifying idea.

4. POKER IS A GAME OF SKILL. (I believe this required repeating for some of the posters less able to grasp the basics of mathematics)

happyoutscan

eagle eye wrote: »

A few questions.
How much is online poker costing the Irish economy?
Would the banning of online poker result in more or less jobs?
What reputable firms have audited online poker companies?
How can we make sure that underrage children are not playing?
How can we make sure that cheating is not prevalent?

I think it should be banned until we can answer all these questions and not only answer them but be capable of policing these sites and making sure that there are no underage players and cheaters, and have laws to deal with people who do cheat and who do allow underage gambling.

Q1. Not as much as the coercion between the government, banks and developers.
Q2. What jobs?
Q3. Unsure but will google after i bring out the garbage.
Q4. By being half-decent and responsible parents, which should be a given but in many cases isn't. Why is it my fault if people can't look after their offspring?
Q5. Cheating programs and bots are nonsense. Reputable poker sites (Fulltilt, Partypoker to name 2) have good reputations. Table coercion etc can be easily spotted through hand histories or by being half-intelligent if you are at that table. If you're worried about cheating then you should have a look at the horse racing industry. Cheating is a fact of life, every facet of life.

trailerparkboy

Deleted User wrote: »

Let's just put a few things straight here:

4. POKER IS A GAME OF SKILL. (I believe this required repeating for some of the posters less able to grasp the basics of mathematics)

Thats right sure it is :rolleyes: keep thinking that and you will be sure to be a millionaire. so what do you call it when you put money on something? Thats right its called gambling.

Quick question Kayroo how much have you won gambling at poker? IM assuming you win sense nobody looses at poker since its a game of skill.

trailerparkboy

Heres a great article i came across http://www.poker-king.com/poker-king-articles.php?article=191

If you read it it will say that most of the big poker players are long term loosers begging for money on ocassions. Wow what do you call that? Skill? no its called gambling and these big shots will always loose in the end because poker is gambling, its sad that people cant see that or maybe just maybe its not in there interest to see this.

happyoutscan

trailerparkboy wrote: »

Thats right sure it is :rolleyes: keep thinking that and you will be sure to be a millionaire. so what do you call it when you put money on something? Thats right its called gambling.

Quick question Kayroo how much have you won gambling at poker? IM assuming you win sense nobody looses at poker since its a game of skill.

I'd wager more than you by the looks of it. And after re-reading this thread and some of your (ahem) previous posts I think that you need to have the self-control to ban YOURSELF from gambling first before worrying about the rest of us.

Also, that blog link you put up is irrelevant. Why should anyone believe this when sentences start with 'I would say...'. Totally irrelevant.

There is skill involved in poker as well as the sprinkling of luck here and there. If you have the skill the luck goes around. If you cannot even realize there is skill involved then find yourself another game and stop moaning about your ineptness at this one.

jhegarty

trailerparkboy wrote: »

Thats right sure it is :rolleyes: keep thinking that and you will be sure to be a millionaire. so what do you call it when you put money on something? Thats right its called gambling..

If you play Chess for money is it gambling ?

trailerparkboy

The arugment of skill is nonsense its used by players to say there not gambling when infact they are.

jhegarty

trailerparkboy wrote: »

The arugment of skill is nonsense its used by players to say there not gambling when infact they are.

If you play Chess for money is it gambling ?