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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    ecoli wrote: »
    Probably depending on what the specialist says on corrective procedures

    only one way to be sure
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 806 ✭✭✭woodchopper


    ecoli wrote: »

    . Followed this up with a 10 hour wait in A&E to confirm the nose is broke and I have a narrowed air passage


    I never thought TRR's dose of reality could hit you so hard!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    I never thought TRR's dose of reality could hit you so hard!

    Yup his harsh words broke me physically, mentally and spiritually. Need to get me one of them super munster coaches working wonders to give me a chance to beat him ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 806 ✭✭✭woodchopper


    ecoli wrote: »
    Yup his harsh words broke me physically, mentally and spiritually. Need to get me one of them super munster coaches working wonders to give me a chance to beat him ;)

    Aye but will you be able to follow Stazza'a triggers, yoyos and shuffles!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Aye but will you be able to follow Stazza'a triggers, yoyos and shuffles!

    Probably not.Guess that leaves only one option so, how long you think it will take you to get me to 2.15 ? :D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    ecoli wrote: »
    Wednesday 90 min gym work

    Good solid gym session, was gonna do a few easy miles in between treatments but didnt get a chance. Followed this up with a 10 hour wait in A&E to confirm the nose is broke and I have a narrowed air passage (long wait to confirm the obvious considering nose is slightly crooked and can't breath out of one nasal airway :rolleyes: ) There is still significant swelling high up in the nasal passage which in my mind is a good thing as it means that hopefully the blocked passage is more soft tissue based and could be a case of just time as a recovery rather than a surgical solution. Waiting to get confirmation on the appointment with the specialist which will either be Friday (tomorrow sorry lost track of days) or early next week.

    This confirms my first ever broken bone (hopefully will be another quarter century till the next one :D)

    BED TIME :D

    Whatever about the cosmetic side of a crooked nose, make sure you get the internal part dealt with properly. Don't let them tell you it's ok as long as you can breathe. I got a football injury in my teens that caused a partial blockage of one nasal passage and it still affects my breathing today, especially if I have a head cold.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    dna_leri wrote: »
    Whatever about the cosmetic side of a crooked nose, make sure you get the internal part dealt with properly. Don't let them tell you it's ok as long as you can breathe. I got a football injury in my teens that caused a partial blockage of one nasal passage and it still affects my breathing today, especially if I have a head cold.

    Usually I am quite a timid person and am not confrontational, however something tells me if someone tells me I just have to deal with something which will affect my training and racing long term I feel it might be a completely different matter :D

    Thursday OFF

    Too tired after the previous night to do anything especially as I was in work till eleven (in body not so much so in spirit :P)


  • Registered Users Posts: 631 ✭✭✭Cleanman


    ecoli wrote: »
    Usually I am quite a timid person and am not confrontational, however something tells me if someone tells me I just have to deal with something which will affect my training and racing long term I feel it might be a completely different matter :D

    Thursday OFF

    Too tired after the previous night to do anything especially as I was in work till eleven (in body not so much so in spirit :P)

    Don't let Tom Joad or TBL read this or they'll be accusing you of all sorts:D:D:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Cleanman wrote: »
    Don't let Tom Joad or TBL read this or they'll be accusing you of all sorts:D:D:D

    Didn't have the roller out this time ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Friday OFF

    Wednesday night really messed with sleep pattern (3 hours sleep after) so major case of DOMS from the gym session and was exhausted so knew there was no point in trying to get a run in after work

    Saturday 9 miles easy (7.32 min mile pace)

    Just a handy one to get back into the routine. Not shaping up as a great week but all things considered ill take it. Kinda caught in limbo with consultation not till next wednesday so in the mean time just ticking over (though probably will attempt some sort of session early next week)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Sunday PM 8.5 miles easy (7.11 min mile pace)
    Sunday Night 4.5 miles (7.23 min mile pace)

    Sleep patterns finally settling down so back to normal for another week. Met up with TRR for this one just handily tipping along with some great weather run flew in and tipping along nicely.

    Second run was a late night one, pace kept handy enough and the thoughts of my bed waiting at the end were a perfect way to tack on the few extra miles to cap off another "down week"


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,181 ✭✭✭Gavlor


    ecoli wrote: »
    Sunday PM 8.5 miles easy (7.11 min mile pace)
    Sunday Night 4.5 miles (7.23 min mile pace)

    Sleep patterns finally settling down so back to normal for another week. Met up with TRR for this one just handily tipping along with some great weather run flew in and tipping along nicely.

    Second run was a late night one, pace kept handy enough and the thoughts of my bed waiting at the end were a perfect way to tack on the few extra miles to cap off another "down week"

    Hang on, Sunday PM and Sunday PM?!

    Wtf?!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Gavlor wrote: »
    Hang on, Sunday PM and Sunday PM?!

    Wtf?!

    5pm and 11pm. Any time I have 7 am starts I find it counter intuitive to try get a run in before handy (normally I wake up and body refuses to get out from under the covers for a cold 5am run which leaves me tired for the day and nothing to show for it) so I run straight after work and then again late night so still 6 hours between. Some of these in the past I have logged as AM and PM runs probably incorrectly


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Monday 6.5 miles easy (6.59 min mile pace)

    Got out of work a good bit later than planned tonight so just kept this one relatively short. Easy pace a little quicker than usual but this is down to fresh legs from the couple of days off last week so meant I was tipping along at a nice canter (given I was breathing as heavy as a horse I felt it is an appropriate use of the word :D) along the streets of Terenure


  • Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Calvin Johnson


    When you say 'handy' or 'easy' pace and it's near 7 minute pace. Does that really feel easy?

    If so, that's bleeding amazing. How long has it taken for that pace to be easy?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    When you say 'handy' or 'easy' pace and it's near 7 minute pace. Does that really feel easy?

    If so, that's bleeding amazing. How long has it taken for that pace to be easy?

    I wouldn't read to much into the paces for my easy run to be honest. I run by feel so depending on the day and the distance covered that can be anything from 6.50 to 7.45 roughly (looking at my own training logs this seems to be the range since start of Jan). At the moment I am fresh because I had a down week so when cumulative fatigue kicks in this can creep up a bit but yes this is a pace I feel I could go easily for a 20+ mile. I don't look at the pace until I finish a run.

    When I was younger I got caught up with easy run pace but to be honest its the session paces rather than the easy run days as this is where you will see progression of your race times. Running easy runs too fast and you are not recovering from the sessions so with that in mind there are some runs which have been up in the 9.30 bracket. I am running slower on some days than I did previously despite my race times improving. Alot of people run easy runs too fast but you very rarely come across someone who is running them too slow (providing they are still stressing the body through sessions)

    There are plenty who run faster easy pace with slower race results around much like there are plenty who run faster race results who run slower paces for easy runs its all dependent on recovering from the sessions and making hard days hard and easy days easy.

    To put this into perspective there are some days where I run 7.30 pace with one of the guys from the club despite the fact that he is a sub 30 min 10k guy compared to my 35.02 best


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Tuesday AM 40 min Weights + 40 min plyo's

    Normally don't go into specifics but no harm once in a while giving a general idea of the routine

    (each exercise done with a 10 rep @ 50% warm up)

    3x8 Calf Raise (100kg)
    3x8 Overhead Tricep pulldown (17.5kg)
    3x8 Deadlift (80kg)
    2x8 + 1x2 Dumbell bench press (25kg, 35kg)
    3x8 leg press (240 kg)
    3x8 Power Cleans (18kg)
    3x8 Lat Pulldowns (45 kg)

    10 min break

    5x2x10m resistance sprints (Incremental increase from 21.5kg resistance to 31.5kg )
    3x10 Overhead medball throws (6kg)
    3x10 box jumps
    3x10m highknee lunges (15kg bag)
    3x10m med ball single leg squatsw/ medball (6kg)
    5x2x10m resistance sprints (Incremental increase from 23.5kg resistance to 33.5kg )

    Early start this morning with early treatments in before work today. A solid session happy with work effort on this one form work as part of the plyo's exposed some biomechanical issues that I would like to address but this will come in time. Got out of the gym to see that the weather was cracking. Kinda sorry I didn't get out for a run in it but I guess I will have to hope that it holds out for runs later


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    ecoli wrote: »
    When I was younger

    :eek:
    what, when you were 12.............


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    :eek:
    what, when you were 12.............

    Can I help it if I have nearly 2 decades of running experience and wisdom under my belt despite retaining my youthful good looks :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Tuesday PM 7 miles easy (7.28 min mile pace)

    Today was really conspiring against me, work was flat out so didn't get out for a planned 4 miler on my break and then a cross city trip after work that had to be done tonight for a Biotone run as I was reaching critically low levels (unanticipated surge with a number of races on this weekend) meant that it was after twelve by the time I got in the door so a little lower than planned however I know the rest of the week will ease down with work so won't be fighting for a free moment as much and can get the runs needed in so long as the consultant tomorrow doesn't try do something drastic like getting me to stop running for a while ;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Down with consultant this morning and septum is severely deviated so it will require surgery and despite every sob story known to man (marathon training, trying to make "Irish marathon development squad", affecting work and sleep) unfortunately it won't be for a few months atleast (timeframe was 6 months but to be honest knowing the Health Service I would be looking at probably 8-10)

    This has me thinking about how to proceed from here and what are my options:

    - Proceed as planned and just see how Rotterdam goes

    Training has been up and down the last few weeks since it has happened but I have had one or two half decent sessions which means that I may just weather it and that it wont be as much of an issue as I am expecting however I could bomb come race day which will be a hard one to take


    - Sandbag and just adjust training for a revised target time

    Means that I could train away without having to bang sessions and would be able to hit a sustainable level and still hit a very soft PB


    - Scrap the marathon and just focus on shorter distances

    Would be the safe option as I could continue to plug away at training and continue to build the aerobic base for a future marathon attempt (along the lines of what I had initially planned in the year build up to Rotterdam). It is the safe option as I would be not putting all my eggs in one basket as a bad performance here and there would not be the end of the world.

    Also will look at the private option to see would that me more viable

    (not great for someone who is pretty indecisive at the best of times :p)


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Very Sorry to hear that Ecoli - thats bad news.
    Look into the private option.



    On a lighter point - where does this leave Meno & Quirkys bet?? (Sorry.......)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭TRR


    TRR medical services are still at your service. I've been offering free arse exams to others so a free nose restructuring is yours if you want :)

    Would shorter races not place a higher demand on your nose in terms of breathing in and out etc?


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Sorry to hear it ecoli
    TRR wrote: »
    Would shorter races not place a higher demand on your nose in terms of breathing in and out etc?

    I had just that question


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    TRR wrote: »
    TRR medical services are still at your service. I've been offering free arse exams to others so a free nose restructuring is yours if you want :)

    Would shorter races not place a higher demand on your nose in terms of breathing in and out etc?

    Thanks for the offer, just had a quick look there and talking north of 6k to go private for the procedure :eek: I am hoping TRR medical services a little more reasonable :P

    Funny enough he was nearly giddy about being able to fix a cosmetic issue and repeatedly asked me whether I was okay with how it looked because he could reset but for actual issues I would have to wait that long. Talk about a superficial generation where looks take precedence :mad:

    It probably will have a bearing on training for these alright but I am thinking whether putting all my eggs in one basket for a sub par marathon is better that a few bad performances over shorter distances but with the outside chance that I may get lucky.

    I may hold off to see how I race in Bohermeen and make a call on the basis of that but at the moment I am just trying to weigh up all my option just very frustrated that despite the most sensible I have been in terms of a long term approach for a race has been messed up by a non running related injury.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭career_move


    Why can't you just breathe through your mouth?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Why can't you just breathe through your mouth?

    I can and this is how I am getting away with the easier stuff but as I am getting less oxygen in it is having an effect on the quality of my training (i.e sessions) which is why what the lads are saying does make sense in terms of the shorter distances but I am trying to find the lesser of two evils in terms of sub par performance in a single target or just a case of ticking along with a number of races to keep motivation and manage expectations


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭drquirky


    Sorry to hear it dude. I like the option of testing yourself at Bohermeen. I still think you'll run a pretty good marathon, even with the f'd up nose. Maybe see the positive here- from a training standpoint if you are getting less oxygen, imagine the stimulus you are reaping! Thinking of the training at altitude comparison here- I know its not exact but this could end up actually being a good thing (I'm actually being serious here).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭career_move


    ecoli wrote: »
    I can and this is how I am getting away with the easier stuff but as I am getting less oxygen in it is having an effect on the quality of my training (i.e sessions) which is why what the lads are saying does make sense in terms of the shorter distances but I am trying to find the lesser of two evils in terms of sub par performance in a single target or just a case of ticking along with a number of races to keep motivation and manage expectations
    How are you getting less oxygen by breathing through your mouth? I think you're making way too big a deal out of this and it's affecting you mentally not physically


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 806 ✭✭✭woodchopper


    drquirky wrote: »
    Sorry to hear it dude. I like the option of testing yourself at Bohermeen. I still think you'll run a pretty good marathon, even with the f'd up nose. Maybe see the positive here- from a training standpoint if you are getting less oxygen, imagine the stimulus you are reaping! Thinking of the training at altitude comparison here- I know its not exact but this could end up actually being a good thing (I'm actually being serious here).

    Dont be giving him ideas!

    He will have a brown paper bag over his head in his next marathon buildup


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