Licence Renewal?

snowman6416

i have been looking at some of the quote to day
and was just wondering where can i find the form FCA1, i have looked on the website www.garda.ie and could not find anything that was in relation to renwal of the firearms,

and also was wondering how much is it going to cost as i were paying the 25.00 euro one. and how is it going to work payment wise

thank you
snowman6416

BornToKill

The forms and information aren't up on the Garda website yet but they'll be there for 1 August for renewals and new applications.

It'll cost you €80 for a three year license.

You'll be able to pay for it at most post office counters or through the post.

Clash

snowman6416 wrote: »

i have been looking at some of the quote to day
and was just wondering where can i find the form FCA1, i have looked on the website www.garda.ie and could not find anything that was in relation to renwal of the firearms,

It wont be up yet according to other posters here.

There not renewals either. Read Grizlys letter on the other thread, its a new application.

and also was wondering how much is it going to cost as i were paying the 25.00 euro one. and how is it going to work payment wise

thank you
snowman6416

€80 for three years.

snowman6416

my sister has a single barral shot gun as well what way will it affect her,

she is only paying a 6.00 euro licencce, can the 6.00 euro licence be still got or is the 80.00 euro cover all guns, for the three years

thank you
snowman6416

Clash

snowman6416 wrote: »

my sister has a single barral shot gun as well what way will it affect her,

she is only paying a 6.00 euro licencce, can the 6.00 euro licence be still got or is the 80.00 euro cover all guns, for the three years

thank you
snowman6416

Everything the same €80

ranger4

Clash wrote: »

Everything the same €80

So the renewel cert will still be sent in post and once recieved its just a matter of producing the renewel cert allong with paying the 80euro fee at local post office?

Clash

ranger4 wrote: »

So the renewel cert will still be sent in post and once recieved its just a matter of producing the renewel cert allong with paying the 80euro fee at local post office?

No it's not a renewel. You get to apply again :eek:

daveob007

snowman6416 wrote: »

my sister has a single barral shot gun as well what way will it affect her,

she is only paying a 6.00 euro licencce, can the 6.00 euro licence be still got or is the 80.00 euro cover all guns, for the three years

thank you
snowman6416

the 6 euro licence is gone so it will be 80 euros for each gun you own and thats for 3 years,,she might as well apply to shoot game also this time cos it wont cost any more.
either that or scrap the gun /thats waht i am doing.

snowman6416

hi folks

i have a double barrel shotgun the license have gone up to 80.00 euro, and will probably stop there,

if i want to get rid of the gun
what steps do i have to take to do this?

thank you
Snowman6416

rrpc

snowman6416 wrote: »

hi folks

i have a double barrel shotgun the license have gone up to 80.00 euro, and will probably stop there,

if i want to get rid of the gun
what steps do i have to take to do this?

thank you
Snowman6416

Sell it to someone else or a dealer and download the FCA2 form from www.garda.ie and fill it out.

Our man in Havana

Is there not a surrender to the Gardaí option?

rrpc

Bond-007 wrote: »

Is there not a surrender to the Gardaí option?

Yes you can give firearms to the Gardai for destruction. I just had the impression the OP wasn't giving it away.

snowman6416

hi folks

can you hand the gun in at the garda station?

when filling in the form dose it have to be done in at the station in front of the garda?

or can ia just hand it in to the garda with out having to fill any forms in?

thank you
snowman6416

rrpc

snowman6416 wrote: »

hi folks

can you hand the gun in at the garda station?

when filling in the form dose it have to be done in at the station in front of the garda?

or can ia just hand it in to the garda with out having to fill any forms in?

thank you
snowman6416

Ask at your Garda station. Each one has it's own peculiarities and are best placed to advise you.

tonysopprano

having talked to a bunch of dealers and also multiple gardai, the feeling that I get is that garda stations wil not take your firearms but will instruct you to go to a dealer. One prominent dealer (posted somewhere on this form) has aleady stated that he will require €200 for storage and €50 for disposal. Talk about getting blood from a stone, but not surprsing really.

Our man in Havana

There will be a lot of farmers that will be getting rid of their guns. I don't think the Gardaí can insist that you can only surrender to dealers.

rrpc

tonysopprano wrote: »

having talked to a bunch of dealers and also multiple gardai, the feeling that I get is that garda stations wil not take your firearms but will instruct you to go to a dealer. One prominent dealer (posted somewhere on this form) has aleady stated that he will require €200 for storage and €50 for disposal. Talk about getting blood from a stone, but not surprsing really.

I think we'll find that a lot of stations will take that view. To be fair many of them don't have any form of secure storage for firearms, so all they'd be doing is running from the station to the local dealer all day long.

Though I think the extra fiver on the licence for snowman is not really going to break the bank when getting rid of the thing is probably going to cost more.

rrpc

Bond-007 wrote: »

There will be a lot of farmers that will be getting rid of their guns. I don't think the Gardaí can insist that you can only surrender to dealers.

Section 6 of the firearms act seems to apply.

JG Murphy

I have spoken to my local dealer who said he is not interested in accepting firearms for destruction. He has already had over 50 calls from farmers looking to get rid of firerarms they do not want to licence.

He is of the opinion that the Gardai will need to deal with the issue of people simply giving up the sport.

rrpc

JG Murphy wrote: »

I have spoken to my local dealer who said he is not interested in accepting firearms for destruction. He has already had over 50 calls from farmers looking to get rid of firerarms they do not want to licence.

He is of the opinion that the Gardai will need to deal with the issue of people simply giving up the sport.

I can see the dealer's point. They don't want to be stuck with a load of junk that they won't be able to sell, will take enormous amounts of paperwork just to keep them, will take up a huge amount of room in their safe and which will prove incredibly difficult to get destroyed properly to the satisfaction of the Gardai.

bunny shooter

Surely if someone doesn't licence a firearm the Gardai would have to "seize" said firearm and then it would be up to them to store it etc?

Or does Section 6 cover this scenario?

rrpc

bunny shooter wrote: »

Surely if someone doesn't licence a firearm the Gardai would have to "seize" said firearm and then it would be up to them to store it etc?

Or does Section 6 cover this scenario?

It pretty much does, or at least where a licence is revoked (which is essentially the same thing).

"the person shall forthwith deliver the firearm and ammunition (if any) to the Superintendent of the district in which the person resides"

Superintendent acquires large collection of old single barrell shotguns

maglite

I see a business opertunity opening up for a guy with an angle grinder and or gas torch....

Grizzly 45

Or a gun dealer with really good cop on and knowledge of antique and valueable SXS,etc being handed in because they are "old and not worth much".I shudder to think what lovely and historic pieces will be lost and destroyed by ignorance and greed or penny pinching.:(

If I was a gun dealer,I would be advertising "free apprasials of your gun" and making contact with international auction houses for a possible shipment of unique "Irish guns".[Anyone does this, my cut is 5% advisory fee of total sales..:D]

rrpc

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Or a gun dealer with really good cop on and knowledge of antique and valueable SXS,etc being handed in because they are "old and not worth much".I shudder to think what lovely and historic pieces will be lost and destroyed by ignorance and greed or penny pinching.:(

If I was a gun dealer,I would be advertising "free apprasials of your gun" and making contact with international auction houses for a possible shipment of unique "Irish guns".[Anyone does this, my cut is 5% advisory fee of total sales..:D]

Dream on

What you'll actually get is a bunch of single barrell Brownings with barrells nearly rusted through and pieces of string holding the fore end on, a mountain of paperwork, a permanently ignored call in to the proper authorities to confirm destruction and a bulging safe

Jonty

rrpc wrote: »

Dream on

What you'll actually get is a bunch of single barrell Brownings with barrells nearly rusted through and pieces of string holding the fore end on, a mountain of paperwork, a permanently ignored call in to the proper authorities to confirm destruction and a bulging safe

And then the law will complain that the RFD is holding too many firearms.

rrpc

Jonty wrote: »

And then the law will complain that the RFD is holding too many firearms.

+1

And I forgot to mention that none of the serial numbers will match the pulse records :eek:

But yeah, absolutely a great business proposition :rolleyes:

Grizzly 45

Oh ye of little faith. The same happened in the UK post Hungerford.If it hadn't been for Sir Geffory Bothryood deceased [sic],many fine examples of unique Engilsh SXS would have been scrapped.He wrote a few exellent articles on SXS that he had been asked to appraise in the now defunct GUNS REVIEW magazine.He started the "adopt a SXS " campain that saved many more
A good few were tatty old yokes all right,but what made them valuable was their gunsmith names,their mechanisms,or their historical context.Please dont tell me that there isnt any of those types of guns knocking around??
As a gun dealer,it doesnt mean that you have to buy up every piece of junk that shows up in your shop.You are supposed to know somthing about guns and that includes old ones as well and their value.Not just flogging off new stuff to every mug...er customer that darkens your doors.

It is a terrible thing with us Irish..We dont appreciate enough items and structures of our past.We always want to get rid of anything that might have a valuable historical past.Because it is old or out of date,or was somhow connected to "the Ascendeny or the British:rolleyes:".And then somone tells how valueable or unique it was.We lament for evermore the lost treasure.

EG ...How many of you know that the Irish army in "the Emergency" were issued Lugers as a secondary service weapon??That would make Ireland the fourth country in Europe to have had the Luger as a service pistol on WW2[Germany,Holland ,Switzerland,Ireland].
Where could you see one of these in Ireland today? Nowhere! They were all flogged off to a collector in Texas,who became a multi millionare from this deal.
Anyone intrested in where they came from?Personal souviners of 1916 when Irish regiments clashed with the German Marines at the 2nd battle of the Marne,majority of them were the so called Navy model.A lot of those were used in the birth our nation and the civil war.Yet there isnt one ASFIK on display in any of our museums because our govt flogged them of for scrap value.:(
Years ago,poking around a "scrap pile" in a gun shop.I found two beauties that had I the cash I would have bought straightaway.One was a lovely little 20 GA Browning Semi auto with a straight English stock,which is very unique and quite a collectors piece,and a lovely little "Rook Rifle"made by Cogswell&Harrision,but had been converted to 410 from a .20 cal somthing.Thus destroying its value.

So this is all I am saying folks.Dont be in a tearing rush to dismiss every"aul farmers shotgun" as worthless.There might be a very unique name,action or historical item under there.We have lost too much here in Ireland in firearms over the years,we are about to lose more again,so lets be sure we check the muck pile for the odd diamond or two before we dump everything inthe smelter.

SIG

I received my licence extension form on the 4th Aug. The form states that you must apply for a new licence 3 months or more before the extended licence date. The extended date was 31/10/09. Therefore my application even made on the 5th Aug would be deemed outside the 3 month rule. Any ideas whats going on. I believe that the Minister is out to reduce the licenced forearms to less than half of heretofore. Ireland is a country of extremes, little regulation then crazy massive rules. This is what has destroyed our economy - stupid law makers. Common sense is very rare these days!:mad:

It wasn't me!

SIG wrote: »

I received my licence extension form on the 4th Aug. The form states that you must apply for a new licence 3 months or more before the extended licence date. The extended date was 31/10/09. Therefore my application even made on the 5th Aug would be deemed outside the 3 month rule. Any ideas whats going on. I believe that the Minister is out to reduce the licenced forearms to less than half of heretofore. Ireland is a country of extremes, little regulation then crazy massive rules. This is what has destroyed our economy - stupid law makers. Common sense is very rare these days!:mad:

It says up to three months before. As in, they don't want you to apply before then, so within three months is fine. Hopefully it'll all get processed nice and quickly without any silly hitches, but you're perfectly fine.

rrpc

It wasn't me! wrote: »

It says up to three months before. As in, they don't want you to apply before then, so within three months is fine. Hopefully it'll all get processed nice and quickly without any silly hitches, but you're perfectly fine.

+1 on what IWM said

Kind of a waste of a good rant there

PJ Hunter

Sparks wrote: »

Not sure what section 32 that is Tony, but here's what I think you're talking about, from the current section 3 of the firearms act:

And if that's what you're talking about, then yes, it's possible you could have an overlap there.
At which point, you either get a letter from the local super saying you're authorised to have the firearm, or you check it into the local RFD until the paperwork clears...

(you don't have to reapply every three years though, it's a renewal same as normal except for this year, if the bill passes as is and on time. But that won't help much with the example you're thinking of).

(you don't have to reapply every three years though, it's a renewal same as normal except for this year.

renewing the license in 3 years, is the license waiting at the station then. has the new application form to be dropped.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SIG
I received my licence extension form on the 4th Aug. The form states that you must apply for a new licence 3 months or more before the extended licence date. The extended date was 31/10/09. Therefore my application even made on the 5th Aug would be deemed outside the 3 month rule. Any ideas whats going on. I believe that the Minister is out to reduce the licenced forearms to less than half of heretofore. Ireland is a country of extremes, little regulation then crazy massive rules. This is what has destroyed our economy - stupid law makers. Common sense is very rare these days!


up to 3 month prior to the date it expires. looks like clerical error again:(

rrpc

PJ Hunter wrote: »

renewing the license in 3 years, is the license waiting at the station then. has the new application form to be dropped.

As far as I can tell, the FCA1 form has to be filled in every three years.

up to 3 month prior to the date it expires. looks like clerical error again:(

I think he misread the letter. Everyone's says up to three months, not three months or more.

Sikamick

For anyone that has got dates beyond the end of October 2009 it is simple enough but for those that have to renew by the end of October it is impossible for us, myself included to comply with what it Say's on the extension.

Up to three months prior to the expiry date, which means I would have had to put my documentation in on the first of August 2009, I did not receive the extensions until the 4th and the FCA1 form was not available on the first of August, impossible.

From what I have been told the FCA1 WILL have to be completed every three years, there will no longer be renewals.

Sikamick

rrpc

Sikamick wrote: »

For anyone that has got dates beyond the end of October 2009 it is simple enough but for those that have to renew by the end of October it is impossible for us, myself included to comply with what it Say's on the extension.

Up to three months prior to the expiry date, which means I would have had to put my documentation in on the first of August 2009, I did not receive the extensions until the 4th and the FCA1 form was not available on the first of August, impossible.

Only if you read 'up to' as meaning greater than or equal to three months as opposed to less than or equal to three months.

Personally I'd go with less than or equal to, as otherwise you could apply for your renewal three years before it ran out.

PJ Hunter

rrpc wrote: »

Only if you read 'up to' as meaning greater than or equal to three months as opposed to less than or equal to three months.

Personally I'd go with less than or equal to, as otherwise you could apply for your renewal three years before it ran out.

all of the three months, includes up to last day?. its not clear for anyone who's not in a club:o

ranger4

Am i right in thinking many firearm owners who have oct extension are still waiting to hear more from garda with regards to details of new licencing before they submit their applications?

Our man in Havana

Indeed they are.

G17

ranger4 wrote: »

Am i right in thinking many firearm owners who have oct extension are still waiting to hear more from garda with regards to details of new licencing before they submit their applications?

Bond-007 wrote: »

Indeed they are.

+1

ranger4

G17 wrote: »

+1

would most owners waiting for more info before they apply be holders of restricted firearms?

Sparks

Probably not ranger. Right now, just about everyone's waiting for more information.

Rovi

As the first month of the three month application period generously allocated to a great many firearm owners comes to a close, the Commissioner still hasn't produced his guidelines (or had them presented to him for rubberstamping, I suspect), there's talk of the Restricted Firearms SI being 'revised' (:rolleyes:), and the group representing the majority of firearms owners is only now apparently coming to the realisation that something has changed and their membership isn't happy with it.
Going by the accounts here, local Gardai are reluctant to accept applications, and those that do are telling the applicant that it's going on file until they get some training and guidance from on high on how to deal with all this. Are there even hard copy versions of FCA1 available in Garda Stations yet, or are people still expected to bring in their own downloaded copies?

The word 'shambles' is looking more and more appropriate with every passing day.

foxhunter

Rovi wrote: »

As the first month of the three month application period generously allocated to a great many firearm owners comes to a close, the Commissioner still hasn't produced his guidelines (or had them presented to him for rubberstamping, I suspect), there's talk of the Restricted Firearms SI being 'revised' (:rolleyes:), and the group representing the majority of firearms owners is only now apparently coming to the realisation that something has changed and their membership isn't happy with it.
Going by the accounts here, local Gardai are reluctant to accept applications, and those that do are telling the applicant that it's going on file until they get some training and guidance from on high on how to deal with all this. Are there even hard copy versions of FCA1 available in Garda Stations yet, or are people still expected to bring in their own downloaded copies?

The word 'shambles' is looking more and more appropriate with every passing day.

Just got off the phone with a station down here that are not accepting applications at the moment .
They are saying they can't accept them because they havn't recieved the guidelines yet but if they don't get them by the weekend they will start to take applications next monday but they may be left on the desk till guidelines appear.
Other stations in the area are taking applications no bother so what's goin on are we back to the old story that it's going to depend on the area you live in and what barracks you go to and how sound the fo is if you get a licence or not ?

johngalway

Rovi wrote: »

The word 'shambles' is looking more and more appropriate with every passing day.

You're being generous there.

A project like this could have been done better by a bunch of transition year students as an assignment.

G17

I was on to the FPU again.
Their unofficial advice is still to hold off until September when they hope to have the guidelines too.

It really is that bad when you have basically, every single person in the chain totally in the dark, waiting for a guideline booklet which may or may not clarify everyone's position.

I do get the impression though after talking to several Gardaí, that common sense will prevail when dealing with genuine sporting shooters. This is a complete redesign of the licensing procedure so it will require patience on all sides, even though I admit that mine is dwindling at the start of subsequent weeks..........

Our man in Havana

Cue another round of extended extensions.

johngalway

Bond-007 wrote: »

Cue another round of extended extensions.

It would be the simplest way out of the mess. People waited for the forms to come out, they did, along with a mess of questions about them. The various publications followed and yet more questions, I get the feeling the guidelines will bring up yet more, so an extended extension for all would be absolutely a good idea IMO.

snowman6416

hi folks

dose any one no how to go about getting rid of the fire arm,
what is the correct steps to be taken for to do this as is destroying it,

Keelan

I presume its a licenced firearm your dealing with?
If it is, then take it to your nearest firearms dealer and hand it in.
The dealer will give you a written form, declaring the firearm has been handed in.
Bring this form to your local Garda station and hand it in.
I presume its a licenced firearm your dealing with?

Keelan.

Our man in Havana

If it is, then take it to your nearest firearms dealer and hand it in.

I have tried that approach in the past and was refused. They are only interested if you are buying another firearm.