Real Madrid Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

jesus_thats_gre

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Messi>Ronaldo>>>>>>>>>>>>Kaka

Osu wrote: »

Xavi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gerrard

Sorry no comparison there.

What are you clowns on...

Messi>Ronaldo>>>Kaka
Xavi>>Gerrard

Are you capable of moderate, reasonable opinions?!?!?!

Le King

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

What are you clowns on...

Messi>Ronaldo>>>Kaka
Xavi>>Gerrard

Are you capable of moderate, reasonable opinions?!?!?!

Are you saying Gerrard is a better player than Xavi?

If you are, dude, then your wearing them big clown shoes for a reason.

If it's not reasonable to say Xavi is a better footballer than Gerrard then I don't know what is reasonable.

Mr Alan

you know how the whole '>, great than-<, less than', thing works, right?

jesus_thats_gre

Osu wrote: »

Are you saying Gerrard is a better player than Xavi?

If you are, dude, then your wearing them big clown shoes for a reason.

If it's not reasonable to say Xavi is a better footballer than Gerrard then I don't know what is reasonable.

How does what I wrote suggests that Gerrard is better than Xavi?


Messi is slightly better than Ronaldo at best. You could argue that both are arguably as effective as each other but Messi is more technically gifted while Ronaldo is very much about his speed and physique and is very direct. Both are a bit better than Kaka.

Xavi is a slightly better player than Gerrard. Once again, Xavi is a technically superior player and Gerrard is probably as effective as Xavi but it is really also about speed and power and how direct he is.

All are extremely effective players when fully fit and playing in a system that suits their playing style.

As always, one will supersede the other every few months depending on their form but they will all, as one stage, likely be considered one of the best players in their respective position in world again before their career ends.

Le King

Mr Alan wrote: »

you know how the whole '>, great than-<, less than', thing works, right?

Everything can work Mr. Alan, if you put enough effort in to make it work. But at 4 O' Clock in the morning and someone thinks that Gerrard is a better player than Xavi then a simple Maths formula will suffice, because a comment like that warrants no debate.

They are either a WUM or extremely biased. I'm guessing the poster in question is the latter. But yeah, add to the debate what you will.

jesus_thats_gre

Rofl, do you still think I am arguing that Gerrard is better than Xavi. Read the ****ing post!

Bounty Hunter

Although he may have backtracked to this point the Gerrard thing boiled down to him saying he thinks Stevie G is a better all round player which tbh may be true. However the pros dont play a 5 a side game where a player who both will put in a real physical challenge and be a serious threat to the opponents goal i.e be the all rounder he talked about, is ideal in your CMs. Instead we all watch 11 a side where a player like this generally cant do everything without eventually running around looking like a headless chicken and thus has to find a suitable position which will best avail of his skill set for Gerrard this seems to be as an Attacking Midfielder / Second Striker. As this thread is testiment though if you were to compare both Xavi & Gerrards abilitys in their specialised positions Xavi would come out on top in a debate 9 times out of 10. The guy is phenominal and would be talked about as one of the best players on the planet alongside Messi & Ronaldo by the media if he scored more goals.

even though i bit on this discussion it is kinda pointless.

If Gerrard was signed he would most likely end up being played in CM not as the AM/SS he has been for the past few seasons right? what with Kaka/Van Der Vaart etc there. Now i know that he is quite a physical player and would be especially in Spain in comparison to the Premiership but would reuniting him and Alonso be the best possible midfield would it not be a little light defensivley as Alonso is more in the Pirlo mold of DM i.e spraying the ball around and acting as a creative influence not being a tough tackling DM and Gerrard would be liable to wander forward. Not that this would be much worse than usual at Madrid, upfront is always stacked in comparison to Defense but i dunno if under Mourinho this would be the case.

Prufrock

TheTosh wrote: »

If Maicon is signed what will that mean for Ramos, can't play CB imo and Jose will bring in a good CB

Left back?

Can't see Ramos on the bench.

Paulegend

i even had a united mate of mine tell me that scoles is better than Gerrard...............................


you people just have no idea do ye????


if you where to buy one midfielder who would it be

Gerrard or Xavi?????????


and saying my opinion is wrong or saying its embarrasing just shows how much of an idiot you really are

Bounty Hunter

Paulegend wrote: »

if you where to buy one midfielder who would it be

Gerrard or Xavi?????????


and saying my opinion is wrong or saying its embarrasing just shows how much of an idiot you really are

well unless i played with 1 striker and a player in the hole behind him id sign Xavi as despite as you say Gerrard having more facits to his game perhaps i.e being more pysical and having more of a goal threat he is not a standard CM like Xavi is and would leave isn as suited to a 2 man midfield. Thats why i talked about a 5 a side team as Gerrard would be awesome in such a team as he could play in between standard positions.

how suited to Madrid would Gerrard be i wonder? if he was signed would he be asked be allowed wander forward in midfield considering Kaka would most likely have the AM role?

Prufrock

I once saw Xavi dominate an English midfield in a friendly (the one were Rooney was taken off just before half time)with his passing and movement. Best midfielder of his type in the world.

I like how Giles describes Gerrard. He can do dramatic things that can win you a game but is not going to control a game from midfield.

(There's a case to be made for Scholes > Gerrard but that's for another thread)

Besides isn't this a Real Madrid thread. :rolleyes:

Paulegend

Prufrock wrote: »

I once saw Xavi dominate an English midfield in a friendly (the one were Rooney was taken off just before half time)with his passing and movement. Best midfielder of his type in the world.

I like how Giles describes Gerrard. He can do dramatic things that can win you a game but is not going to control a game from midfield.

(There's a case to be made for Scholes > Gerrard but that's for another thread)

Besides isn't this a Real Madrid thread. :rolleyes:

yea but we are talking about Gerrard going to Madrid


@bounty hunter

i think we would see more of a fit Aquallini role for Gerrard at madrid. coming from midfield whenever possible. the only problem is you need a really good center midfielder to cover him when he goes forward. Gerrards biggest flaw is the fact he leaves his CM partner alone. thats why Rafa put him out on the wing and started moving him to a support striker role.

i wonder if DeRossi would be make a great CM partner for him. strong in midfield. they could be leathle together

TheTosh

If Madrid sign Gerrard its a waste of money, they could use that money to sign a younger player not someone coming out of their peak or sign Essien who could play the DM as Real have enough attacking options and Alonso isn't what you'd call a DM. All Real need is a good left back and a solid DM, what they don't need is an overpriced Steven Gerrard

gimmick

Paulegend wrote: »

Gerrard or Xavi?????????


and saying my opinion is wrong or saying its embarrasing just shows how much of an idiot you really are

Just by saying "its my opinion" does not make your argument even remotely valid. People have incorrect opinions. The fact you finish your "point" with an insult shows how invalid everything you have said so far is.

I will say though it has been amusing.

Anyway, what do Gerrard and Xavi have to do with Real Madrid?

Paulegend

ok why was my post deleted????

because i made my point??

flahavaj

Prufrock wrote: »

Left back?

Can't see Ramos on the bench.

Jose has said a few times he sees him as a centre back.

Seaneh

I have always seen Ramos as being a CB. I said it when he was signed for Real, he has everything needed to be a topclass CB and was only out at right back because he has the pace engine to get up and down the line and has the ability to put in a good cross or two.
He has just turned 24 and I reckon if he is to fulfill his potential he needs to switch into the center this season and make the position his own.

dreamers75

Scholes is the best english player ever.


Anyhoo Ramos can play Cb just having pace he plays as an RB also a decent header of the ball.

Its hard to say where Real need players considering they scored 100+ goals and lost about 3 matches. I mean seriously how do you improve that? Or do you realise you have to do that AND beat barca twice.

I dont see la liga becoming competitive next season, Sevilla and Valencia dont have the money to get the players needed to challenge the top 2 so its a case of Real repeating this season but beating barca....twice. BUT barca are sorting out their front 3 which on paper sounds awesome Henry Ibra Messi, could well be Iniesta Villa Messi next season. So it could get a bit interesting.


Do real need any players? I mean why buy defenders if your going to win almost every game you play. Jose could bring about the mentality needed to beat barca.

flahavaj

For me Madrid need a left back, a right back, a left sided attacker and a top notch defensive midfielder.

Paulegend

i think Arbeloa had a great season for Real. Madrid so i doubt they need a right back and a left back. maybe Maicon for right back and Arbeloa at left back moving Ramos into the center with Pepe

Seaneh

flahavaj wrote: »

For me Madrid need a left back, a right back, a left sided attacker and a top notch defensive midfielder.

So, Maicon, Kolarov, Di Maria and a DM?

Swap Gerrard for Masch/similar and Mou has a perfect team imho.

(that's if they sign their reported targets).

I know a lot of you will never have seen Kolarov play but he is a very very good fullback, potential to be world class and I think he is still only 24 (could be a year off). Very good defensively and has amazing vision for a defender.

flahavaj

Paulegend wrote: »

i think Arbeloa had a great season for Real. Madrid so i doubt they need a right back and a left back. maybe Maicon for right back and Arbeloa at left back moving Ramos into the center with Pepe

He's a natural right back who's filled in at LB this season. They can do so much better.

flahavaj

Seaneh wrote: »

So, Maicon, Kolarov, Di Maria and a DM?

Swap Gerrard for Masch/similar and Mou has a perfect team imho.

(that's if they sign their reported targets).

I know a lot of you will never have seen Kolarov play but he is a very very good fullback, potential to be world class and I think he is still only 24 (could be a year off). Very good defensively and has amazing vision for a defender.

Sounds good to me. If they can't get Maicon, van der Wiel would be a decent option at RB.

I'm surprised Masch hasn't been linked with Madrid tbh, they would appear to need him far more than Barca do.

Lukker-

I'd have Albiol and Ramos as the CB partnership. Pepe can be a great defender, but he is generally an eeijit.

Peyton Manning

Lukker- wrote: »

I'd have Albiol and Ramos as the CB partnership. Pepe can be a great defender, but he is generally an eeijit.

Pepe is a very good centre back, certainly better than the two you've mentioned, albeit a headcase.

Lukker-

Archimedes wrote: »

Pepe is a very good centre back, certainly better than the two you've mentioned, albeit a headcase.

I think he makes too many mistakes, Albiol isn't the best tackler but I think he reads the game better. Ramos given a decent run at CB, would be as good as Pepe IMO. But Mou will go with Pepe, 'cos he likes the classic CB nutjob (Lucio).

TheTosh

With Mascherano being linked with Inter, would Jose bring Cambiasso back to Madrid

Seaneh

TheTosh wrote: »

With Mascherano being linked with Inter, would Jose bring Cambiasso back to Madrid

at 28 he still has 5/6 years to give at that level, he's the ype of player who could go on forever like Zanetti or Maldini, has the brain to make up for the lack of legs.

Would cost a ton though.

An Citeog

flahavaj wrote: »

Sounds good to me. If they can't get Maicon, van der Wiel would be a decent option at RB.

I'm surprised Masch hasn't been linked with Madrid tbh, they would appear to need him far more than Barca do.

They've spent the guts of €50million on the two Diarras. While there are better players available, I'm not sure a DM is that big a priority. Getting the balance right between attack and defence, particularly in the Champions League, will be Jose's biggest task imo.

jesus_thats_gre

An Citeog wrote: »

They've spent the guts of €50million on the two Diarras. While there are better players available, I'm not sure a DM is that big a priority. Getting the balance right between attack and defence, particularly in the Champions League, will be Jose's biggest task imo.

Top class DM is a bit part of getting that balance right...

Seaneh

An Citeog wrote: »

They've spent the guts of €50million on the two Diarras. While there are better players available, I'm not sure a DM is that big a priority. Getting the balance right between attack and defence, particularly in the Champions League, will be Jose's biggest task imo.

Im fairness M. Diarra looked like an amazing signing at the time, tore the arse out of the CL and french league with Lyon and looked a better player than Essien at the time, just hasn't gotten any better since, infact I think he has moved backward a wee bit.

I don't like Lass at all, not a bad player but not nearly good enough to start of a team aiming to win the CL.

An Citeog

Seaneh wrote: »

Im fairness M. Diarra looked like an amazing signing at the time, tore the arse out of the CL and french league with Lyon and looked a better player than Essien at the time, just hasn't gotten any better since, infact I think he has moved backward a wee bit.

I don't like Lass at all, not a bad player but not nearly good enough to start of a team aiming to win the CL.

Yeah, I actually agree with you. There's going to have to be a serious clear-out of the current squad to make way for these new signings and I'm not sure how Perez can justify it financially again this year. It's never stopped him before though!:pac:

Seaneh

An Citeog wrote: »

Yeah, I actually agree with you. There's going to have to be a serious clear-out of the current squad to make way for these new signings and I'm not sure how Perez can justify it financially again this year. It's never stopped him before though!:pac:

Yeah, it's not liek debt is something he will actually worry about...

gimmick

Excerpts from a Florez Interview

anyhow Higuain has put a pen to his new 6 year deal with Real taking his salary to 3.5 Mil a year instead of the 1.5 Mil which was his annual salary when he joined
Perez has made a chat with the fans and his answers are the following
- I like Navas & Di Maria a lot , but it's too early and work is in progress regarding new signing
- he is very happy that Higuain renewed & wants Higuain to stay in Real
- his preferred players in Atletico are Forlan & Aguero
- Spain has the best team of all time
- in Valdebebas we have 120 acres of land enough to build a new stadium but Santiago Bernabeu remains a church for Madridista and will remain our stadium
- People say Gourcuff is the continuity of Zidane , he is a player that the club follows among other players who we think will be great in the future.
- Kaka was unlucky with injuries this season , but next season he will be like one of the big signings for Real
- payments of the loan represent 10 % of the club revenue
- It's not possible to sign Ribery who renewed for 5 years or Rooney cause in the attacking department we don't need anyone we have very good players.
- regarding Guti we will see what happen with him when he come back from Vacation , he's been in Real since he was 11 and has the affection of the fans
- we may wait till the end of August , we will not rush our decision to sign players now till the price is right .
- regarding Navas/Silva and the spanish players , the only player we have signed was Canales , last year we showed a mix of great players + spanish players + cantera
- plans of putting a roof over the Santiago Bernabeu is in the process we are looking into the best design .
-the decision of Mourinho was collectively , Valdano is delighted with the addition of Mourinho
- Raul is an institution , what he wants to happen will happen , whatever he wants we will accept . this is his home and forever will be his home.
- we will only sign 2 or 3 players nothing more.
- We will not rush to sign Maicon , he is one of the best players in his position and we are following him .
- If Mourinho don't win titles he will continue , we have him for 4 years , we had the chance to sign him & we did IMO he is the best coach in the world
- Messi is the second best players in the world after Cristiano (for you cule's ) - man is entitled to his opinion )

redout

gimmick wrote: »

- Messi is the second best players in the world after Cristiano (for you cule's ) - man is entitled to his opinion )

I read that this morning then they covered it on Sky Sports News and the presenters had a little giggle over it. Cant fault him for sticking up for his own.

realmadrid

alright lads and ladies, just letting you know started an Irish Real Madrid fan club website a while back. Decent enough. if any of you are interested in checking it out go ahead. Not going to write the addrss as it would be against the rules but google it and see.:D

curry-muff

realmadrid wrote: »

alright lads and ladies, just letting you know started an Irish Real Madrid fan club website a while back. Decent enough. if any of you are interested in checking it out go ahead. Not going to write the addrss as it would be against the rules but google it and see.:D

Hmm, if only there was some way I could find out the address of this site

Bodhisopha

I'm pretty sure it's okay to post the address of your website on here.