sadness in a babies eyes

MoominPapa · 13-06-2009 12:07am

Yeah, boohoo and all that about the baby. What was it about the mother again? Tight cloths, body to match?

orestes · 13-06-2009 12:08am

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

i suggest u start with a beginners guide to psychology before you start moving on to the more complicated stuff.

I'm doing post-graduate psychology in Trinity if that's any use? 4 month old infants are incapable of the kind of the thought processes you seem to be describing here.

kumate_champ07 · 13-06-2009 12:08am

Rosser wrote: »

For the love of the English language it should be 'sadness in a baby's eyes'....

I like this thread it's as funny as anything you'll find on tv

i can haz mistakes? im wired, been travelling all day, up since 4am.

this really happened, i didnt imagine a slapper, sad baby and a doorstep to doom

Rosser · 13-06-2009 12:10am

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

punctuationisms

This thread is absolute gold, if that baby could read it would be the happiest kid in Ireland

DubMedic · 13-06-2009 12:10am

orestes wrote: »

I'm doing post-graduate psychology in Trinity if that's any use? 4 month old infants are incapable of the kind of the thought processes you seem to be describing here.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, after all no-one knows except the baby themselves what they are thinking , regardless of one's psychological judgement.

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kumate_champ07 · 13-06-2009 12:10am

orestes wrote: »

I'm doing post-graduate in psychology in Trinity if that's any use? 4 month old infants are incapable of the kind of the thought processes you seem to be describing here.

your gonna make a terrific psychologist! wait till you have to deal with humans and not books

Saibh · 13-06-2009 12:10am

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

i can haz mistakes? im wired, been travelling all day, up since 4am.

this really happened, i didnt imagine a slapper, sad baby and a doorstep to doom

Go and rescue a puppy tomorrow

Loopy · 13-06-2009 12:11am

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

i sat waiting for my bus on a doorstep. a young mother dressed in tight clothes, (she had the body for it but thats not the point)was pushing a pram and stopped in front of me. i looked inside the pram and the kid who was maybe 4 months old starred into my eyes. i wasnt in the best of moods but i saw great sadness in his eyes too. i couldnt smile for him, im not even sure he would have smiled back. maybe at that moment he didnt feel alone

I know that look...:o
You want to just rip them out of the pram for a cuddle..

But, you think he'll be ok and get on with your life but it stays with you [enough to create a thread about it], and you will think perhaps tommorow about it and possibly the next day and then you will think about your own sh*t...
May have been wind, or a poo but it may not have been deep sadness..
Who knows?

orestes · 13-06-2009 12:12am

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

i can haz mistakes? im wired, been travelling all day, up since 4am.

In that case it is far more likely your perceptions and processing of them are impaired or mistaken due to tiredness than the child in question being capable of the cognitive/emotional behaviour you are attributing to him/her.

kumate_champ07 · 13-06-2009 12:12am

orestes wrote: »

the kind of the thought processes you seem to be describing here.

sadness?

bug · 13-06-2009 12:13am

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

eh, no not really. im not writing a book, i had a strange experience today. ive seen plenty of babies in my lifetime. smilling,crying,blank faces and all the in betweens. tonite was different.

i suggest u start with a beginners guide to psychology before you start moving on to the more complicated stuff.

I suggest you start looking at the concept of realism, and the myriad of other reasons why you percieve "sadness" in a child who was possibly constipated for all you know and had an unusually expressive face, perhaps.

I could list the possibilities on a logical basis. But I doubt you'd see it.

Psycology really isn't my forte.
If it was I'd advertise and charge a fortune rather than freebies on AH.

kumate_champ07 · 13-06-2009 12:13am

orestes wrote: »

In that case it is far more likely your perceptions and processing of them are impaired or mistaken due to tiredness than the child in question being capable of the cognitive/emotional behaviour you are attributing to him/her.

that was 5hrs ago, this typing is now.

asdasd · 13-06-2009 12:14am

Could have been that this was a a happy baby, until he saw the mopey OP slouching alomg with a face like thunder.

Then the joy exited that child's life, maybe forever.

Look what you did, OP!!!!

orestes · 13-06-2009 12:15am

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

sadness?

No, of expressing it in the way you seem to be suggesting. 4 month old infants aren't exactly capable of existential angst

Kiera · 13-06-2009 12:17am

orestes wrote: »

In that case it is far more likely your perceptions and processing of them are impaired or mistaken due to tiredness than the child in question being capable of the cognitive/emotional behaviour you are attributing to him/her.

Check you out, oh hairy one :P

kumate_champ07 · 13-06-2009 12:17am

bug wrote: »

I suggest you start looking at the concept of realism, and the myriad of other reasons why you percieve "sadness" in a child who was possibly constipated for all you know and had an unusually expressive face, perhaps.

I could list the possibilities on a logical basis. But I doubt you'd see it.

Psycology really isn't my forte.
If it was I'd advertise and charge a fortune rather than freebies on AH.

you werent there. why is it so hard to believe that the baby might not like bein neglected by his mother? i didnt see her give him any attention.

why are people trying to say it isnt possible? i didnt smell a ****ty nappy

orestes · 13-06-2009 12:18am

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

that was 5hrs ago, this typing is now.

And 5 hours ago your perception and processing could have been impaired due to tiredness, not to mention that people have a rearkable ability to rewrite their experiences over even short periods of time and subconsciously adjust them from what they actually experienced to suit their own beliefs

kumate_champ07 · 13-06-2009 12:18am

asdasd wrote: »

Could have been that this was a a happy baby, until he saw the mopey OP slouching alomg with a face like thunder.

Then the joy exited that child's life, maybe forever.

Look what you did, OP!!!!

perhaps.

kumate_champ07 · 13-06-2009 12:19am

orestes wrote: »

And 5 hours ago your perception and processing could have been impaired due to tiredness, not to mention that people have a rearkable ability to rewrite their experiences over even short periods of time and sybconsciously adjust them from what they actually experienced to suit their own beliefs

and if i had a vagina id be a girl, but i have a penis.

Riamfada · 13-06-2009 12:19am

this thread weirds me out

jaffa20 · 13-06-2009 12:20am

Maybe the baby looked like this

DubMedic · 13-06-2009 12:20am

orestes wrote: »

And 5 hours ago your perception and processing could have been impaired due to tiredness, not to mention that people have a rearkable ability to rewrite their experiences over even short periods of time and subconsciously adjust them from what they actually experienced to suit their own beliefs

Just don't supervise someone when they are writing their witness statement in a Garda station and they should be ok. :pac:

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orestes · 13-06-2009 12:22am

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

you werent there. why is it so hard to believe that the baby might not like bein neglected by his mother? i didnt see her give him any attention.

why are people trying to say it isnt possible? i didnt smell a ****ty nappy

Because it is far more likely that you saw a woman who you preceived to be a negligent mother based on your pre-concieved stereotypes and going on a miniscule amount of evidence, thought that the child must be sad about this and your mind did the rest.

MoominPapa · 13-06-2009 12:23am

orestes wrote: »

4 month old infants aren't exactly capable of existential angst

Really? Babies die without human contact you know(according to Yahoo! answers)

kumate_champ07 · 13-06-2009 12:23am

orestes wrote: »

Because it is far more likely that you saw a woman who you preceived to be a negligent mother based on your pre-concieved stereotypes and going on a miniscule amount of evidence, thought that the child must be sad about this and your mind did the rest.

you have a pre-concieved idea of me.

Sharpshooter · 13-06-2009 12:25am

orestes wrote: »

Because it is far more likely that you saw a woman who you preceived to be a negligent mother based on your pre-concieved stereotypes and going on a miniscule amount of evidence, thought that the child must be sad about this and your mind did the rest.

Don't forget the OP was sitting on a doorstep while waiting on a bus.

orestes · 13-06-2009 12:25am

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

and if i had a vagina id be a girl, but i have a penis.

What does that have to do with anything?

DubMedic wrote: »

Just don't supervise someone when they are writing their witness statement in a Garda station and they should be ok.:pac

Studies have found that eye-witness testements are highly unreliable and inconsistant for many of the reasons I have mentioned in this thread.

DubMedic · 13-06-2009 12:25am

MoominPapa wrote: »

Really? Babies die without human contact you know(according to Yahoo! answers)

They can die without emotional contact, even if they are being fed and given water and diapers changed, they can become mute if someone does not talk to them.

orestes · 13-06-2009 12:26am

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

you have a pre-concieved idea of me.

Not at all, I'm merely going with the information you have provided here and applying widely accepted scientific research. I think you are wrong, but it has nothing to do with any idea I have of you.

Snowie · 13-06-2009 12:27am

Hey Op amazing.....

I hate when babys look at me when Ive injested possibly smoked narcotics then i wonder what Raoul Duke would do ? Why is this small human being freaking me out with those big eyes no matter where you go it seem to look at you with this expressionless face.... baby's freak me out....

DubMedic · 13-06-2009 12:27am

orestes wrote: »

Studies have found that eye-witness testements are highly unreliable and inconsistant for many of the reasons I have mentioned in this thread.

Maybe they are inconsistent, but then again if it puts someone away in jail where they can't harm the public and or repeat offend against the person they were jailed for, then i couldn't care less if they are inconsistent or not.

dr.bollocko · 13-06-2009 12:28am

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

i sat waiting for my bus on a doorstep. a young mother dressed in tight clothes, (she had the body for it but thats not the point)was pushing a pram and stopped in front of me. i looked inside the pram and the kid who was maybe 4 months old starred into my eyes. i wasnt in the best of moods but i saw great sadness in his eyes too. i couldnt smile for him, im not even sure he would have smiled back. maybe at that moment he didnt feel alone

I dug it.

kumate_champ07 · 13-06-2009 12:29am

orestes wrote: »

What does that have to do with anything?

Studies have found that eye-witness testements are highly unreliable and inconsistant for many of the reasons I have mentioned in this thread.

what studies? what kind of situations? a baby in a pram? a man wearing a mask shouting at a bank teller? a car speeding thru traffic after knocking down a woman? i have a very clear recollection of what happened. my perception of the nature of the babies emotions can be debated but from my life experience i know what i saw.

javaboy · 13-06-2009 12:29am

Amazing. An AH thread that has actually improved as it went along. You're talking about existentialism and projected emotions and all sorts. Mad.

Snowie · 13-06-2009 12:30am

javaboy wrote: »

Amazing. An AH thread that has actually improved as it went along. You're talking about existentialism and projected emotions and all sorts. Mad.

Oh is that what he ment he want to have super human powers and stuff ?

orestes · 13-06-2009 12:30am

DubMedic wrote: »

Maybe they are inconsistent, but then again if it puts someone away in jail where they can't harm the public and or repeat offend against the person they were jailed for, then i couldn't care less if they are inconsistent or not.

I think the legal ramifications of those studies for the justice system are best left for another thread, that's a loooong conversation but one I would enjoy

kumate_champ07 · 13-06-2009 12:30am

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

Hey Op amazing.....

I hate when babys look at me when Ive injested possibly smoked narcotics then i wonder what Raoul Duke would do ? Why is this small human being freaking me out with those big eyes no matter where you go it seem to look at you with this expressionless face.... baby's freak me out....

cows are worse. u walk by and look back at the gate and they are all staring at you. their eyes follow you as you walk down the road.

jaffa20 · 13-06-2009 12:33am

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

cows are worse. u walk by and look back at the gate and they are all staring at you. their eyes follow you as you walk down the road.

Where on earth would sad babies be without them:eek:

kumate_champ07 · 13-06-2009 12:34am

for what its worth i had existential thoughts from an early age. i can remember very far back. well as far back as 1 yrs of age. i wasnt a happy kid.

it doesnt mean that every sad person i see is a reflection of my own soul

kumate_champ07 · 13-06-2009 12:35am

jaffa20 wrote: »

Where on earth would sad babies be without them:eek:

with the gate

orestes · 13-06-2009 12:35am

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

what studies? what kind of situations? a baby in a pram? a man wearing a mask shouting at a bank teller? a car speeding thru traffic after knocking down a woman? i have a very clear recollection of what happened. my perception of the nature of the babies emotions can be debated but from my life experience i know what i saw.

No, you think you know what you saw, that is the point I am trying to make. The perceptual systems are very easily fooled and highly unreliable when one sense alone is being relied upon (a simple visual illusion like a magicians slight-of-hand trick proves that), the mind fills in the blanks to form a synthetic perception of the experience and apply meaning to it in a "best-fit" kind of way by finding the most likely solution based on former experiences. It's a combination of sensation-to-brain and brain-to-sensation interactions which form perception upon which meaning is based.

bug · 13-06-2009 12:35am

Grimes wrote: »

this thread weirds me out

Completely, but great thread title for a song.

I'm writing something akin to "we are the world" in my head.

orestes · 13-06-2009 12:36am

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

cows are worse. u walk by and look back at the gate and they are all staring at you. their eyes follow you as you walk down the road.

I'll agree with you on this one, cows are bastards

javaboy · 13-06-2009 12:36am

orestes wrote: »

I'll agree with you on this one, cows are bastards

Ah come on. What's your beef with cows?

kumate_champ07 · 13-06-2009 12:37am

orestes wrote: »

No, you think you know what you saw, that is the point I am trying to make. The perceptual systems are very easily fooled and highly unreliable when one sense alone is being relied upon (a simple visual illusion like a magicians slight-of-hand trick proves that), the mind fills in the blanks to form a synthetic perception of the experience and apply meaning to it in a "best-fit" kind of way by finding the most likely solution based on former experiences. It's a combination of sensation-to-brain and brain-to-sensation interactions which form perception upon which meaning is based.

so you are saying you know exactly what happened but you did not even witness the event?
so i throw it back at you. you think you know what i saw.

orestes · 13-06-2009 12:38am

javaboy wrote: »

Amazing. An AH thread that has actually improved as it went along. You're talking about existentialism and projected emotions and all sorts. Mad.

See, AH can be a place for reasonable and civil debate

javaboy wrote: »

Ah come on. What's your beef with cows?

Or maybe not

K-9 · 13-06-2009 12:39am

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

(she had the body for it but thats not the point)

That's it, the 4 month old saw you eyeing up his Mom and was sad, very sad.

Imagine Yore Ma being eyed up like that.

DubMedic · 13-06-2009 12:39am

orestes wrote: »

I'll agree with you on this one, cows are bastards

As far as I am aware, cows cannot marry one another.
Therefore cows are not capable of being bastards in a literal sense.

orestes · 13-06-2009 12:40am

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

so you are saying you know exactly what happened but you did not even witness the event?
so i throw it back at you. you think you know what i saw.

Not at all, I have no idea what you saw, but I think you are applying meaning to something where that meaning isn't there

kumate_champ07 · 13-06-2009 12:41am

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

so you are saying you know exactly what happened but you did not even witness the event?
so i throw it back at you. you think you know what i saw.

or is it you think you know that i think i know what happened but you know and i think you think too much?

sadness in a babies eyes

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